Greddy Emanage Ultimate on both manual and auto euro

[Chris_F]

Watch out guys... this is a long post!


xxb4xx is talking about reprogramming the stock ECU. Hondata have already figured out how to do that and it's how they reflash the stock ecu. Of course, you have to be willing to take the risk of your ECU getting fried in the process and (potentially) having to wait for a replacement. If there was a reliable way to tune the car using the stock ECU that'd be great. The latest honda ECU's have some pretty advanced features.

so far, no one knows how to remove the rev limiter yet... except going to standalone ecu?

we all talks about the emanage ultimate, has anyone actually tried out the v manage on the euro before? and also what does the f manage do?

The only way you'll be able to completely tune the euro (which includes tuning the VTC, VTEC, RPM limit, fuel/ignition, the Drive by wire throttle etc.) Is to go for an aftermarket standalone ECU that can control drive by wire throttle and has enough auxillary outputs to send all the neccessary data back to the stock ECU to run the air-con and the dash. The Honda k-series ecu's send information (to the dash for example) via canbus so untill someone is able to decode the canbus 'language' that the honda ecu uses, you'll need to keep the stock ECU if you want your dash to work.

That's why Hondata K-pro is a dual ECU setup aswell. The stock ecu is still responsible for running the drive by wire (since a k-pro ECU by itself isn't capable of controlling drive by wire).

Personally I've gone for the Vi-Pec v88. Which is currently the only standalone ECU that can control Drive by wire throttle for under $3000.

I looked into Motec and the cost just isn't feasable to me...

M400 ECU (up to 4 cylinders sequentially) = ~$3100
Drive-by-wire option = ~$500
Variable valve timing = ~$700
Wiring loom = ~$1000
Cost to wire the ECU into the car = $1200
Tuning cost from scratch= ~$1000

Compare this to the Vi-Pec...

V88 ECU (controls up to 8 cylinders sequentially) = ~$2500
Drive-by-wire = included
Variable valve timing = included
Wiring loom = included
Cost to wire the ECU into the car = did it with an aeronautical engineer friend of mine (but had to buy a genuine hard copy of the honda accord euro workshop manual at a cost of $450, also bought some solder, heat shrink etc. and an extension harness from boomslang).
Cost for tuning from scratch= ~$600-800

The bottom line is - you won't get out of this cheaply... But the Vi-Pec v88 is the best option. You wouldn't have to buy a honda service manual either since I've already put together a wiring diagram to wire the V88 into the car and may even consider putting together some plug and play harnesses if other accord euro owners start to show interest.

[xxb4xx]

nice post dude..

Can I just add, flashing your ecu is relatively safe..

First I take a copy of the standard ROM from the ecu as an XML file and save it on the pc, that way I can always revert back to stock at any time..

Also can anyone get me the jdm tune for the euro? I gather like subaru the power is greater as they have better fuel, but it's easy to reflash to that rom as an easy option, and richen the mixture to avoid ping and detonation

[BusterSonic12]

nice post dude..

Can I just add, flashing your ecu is relatively safe..

First I take a copy of the standard ROM from the ecu as an XML file and save it on the pc, that way I can always revert back to stock at any time..

Also can anyone get me the jdm tune for the euro? I gather like subaru the power is greater as they have better fuel, but it's easy to reflash to that rom as an easy option, and richen the mixture to avoid ping and detonation

jdm tune would be heaps different right? Because in Japan, they have the euroR (CL7) which runs K20A and also they are cable throttle i think. please find out how to reflash our stock ecu please!! haha i just wanna have a high rev limiter, then we can use an emanage ulti with it.

[xxb4xx]

I'll get there soon dude, just need time and to figure out if the ecu has any lockout cables that need to be connected or disconnected to put it in read/write mode.

As for jdm if they only have the k20 and not the k24 it's useless, it won't work..

[aaronng]

nice post dude..

Can I just add, flashing your ecu is relatively safe..

First I take a copy of the standard ROM from the ecu as an XML file and save it on the pc, that way I can always revert back to stock at any time..

Also can anyone get me the jdm tune for the euro? I gather like subaru the power is greater as they have better fuel, but it's easy to reflash to that rom as an easy option, and richen the mixture to avoid ping and detonation

Not when the guy reflashing your ecu ends up frying it for some silly reason

[aaronng]

As for jdm if they only have the k20 and not the k24 it's useless, it won't work..

JDM's K24 has 147 kW, same as USDM. So if you can't get JDM, go for USDM.

[xxb4xx]

7 more kw?? That's all? I'm starting to hate this car more and more LOL.

[tony1234]

This is getting interesting.xxb4xx i hope you can crack the factory ECU and get something happening.

[aaronng]

7 more kw?? That's all? I'm starting to hate this car more and more LOL.

It's an NA engine No way for cheap power.

[EUR003act]

7 more kw?? That's all? I'm starting to hate this car more and more LOL.

get me an 8,000rpm rev limit and ill show you 150fwkw (on TODAs dyno)

[xxb4xx]

I've had a chat with the partner in crime when it comes to ecu's, we'll give it a go this week.. Although..

- where is the obdII connector? Drivers side dash?
- and any cables under dash to be connected for ROM access that anyone is aware of?

First thing we already spoke about was rev limiter.. That's relatively easy, but not sure on how v-tak is ecu controlled..

[tony1234]

I've had a chat with the partner in crime when it comes to ecu's, we'll give it a go this week.. Although..

- where is the obdII connector? Drivers side dash?
- and any cables under dash to be connected for ROM access that anyone is aware of?

First thing we already spoke about was rev limiter.. That's relatively easy, but not sure on how v-tak is ecu controlled..

Please keep us posted.
Q1.It's under drivers side dash.
Q2.Not that i'm aware of.