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    Quote Originally Posted by air23box View Post
    By removing the resanator will only give you louder sound of the exhaust and maybe some better flow in high end....but certainly it will reduce ur torque because the whole system is lack of back pressure unless you have some basic ECU tune of ur car. All you need to consider is your car is running for daily basis and start stop traffic. By removing the resanator only won't do any good.....let me put it this way, I race my DC5R and I have 2 setup, I run spoon 4-2 header with JDM 2-1 with cat, Mugen twinloop cat back, mugen airbox and stock ECU for street which give me resonable gain but not by much compare to stock. But I run Mugen Airbox, spoon 4-2 header and Mugen N1 exhaust which is 2-1 then 70mm no cat no resenator but only a N1 muffler which you can see through it. the car is totally different and its rev up so much quicker and its about 20kw different compare to my street setup. but the car will still feel a bit lack of low end torque. But race car don't need much torque coz you are driving on high rev most of the time except you are on ur warn up and cool down lap......hope that explain the problem and clear all ur questions.
    Sorry to be a pain, but this is what i saw on another forum


    Backpressure: The myth and why it's wrong.

    I. Introduction

    One of the most misunderstood concepts in exhaust theory is backpressure. People love to talk about backpressure on message boards with no real understanding of what it is and what it's consequences are. I'm sure many of you have heard or read the phrase "Hondas need backpressure" when discussing exhaust upgrades. That phrase is in fact completely inaccurate and a wholly misguided notion.

    II. Some basic exhaust theory

    Your exhaust system is designed to evacuate gases from the combustion chamber quickly and efficently. Exhaust gases are not produced in a smooth stream; exhaust gases originate in pulses. A 4 cylinder motor will have 4 distinct pulses per complete engine cycle, a 6 cylinder has 6 pules and so on. The more pulses that are produced, the more continuous the exhaust flow. Backpressure can be loosely defined as the resistance to positive flow - in this case, the resistance to positive flow of the exhaust stream.

    III. Backpressure and velocity

    Some people operate under the misguided notion that wider pipes are more effective at clearing the combustion chamber than narrower pipes. It's not hard to see how this misconception is appealing - wider pipes have the capability to flow more than narrower pipes. So if they have the ability to flow more, why isn't "wider is better" a good rule of thumb for exhaust upgrading? In a word - VELOCITY. I'm sure that all of you have at one time used a garden hose w/o a spray nozzle on it. If you let the water just run unrestricted out of the house it flows at a rather slow rate. However, if you take your finger and cover part of the opening, the water will flow out at a much much faster rate.

    The astute exhaust designer knows that you must balance flow capacity with velocity. You want the exhaust gases to exit the chamber and speed along at the highest velocity possible - you want a FAST exhaust stream. If you have two exhaust pulses of equal volume, one in a 2" pipe and one in a 3" pipe, the pulse in the 2" pipe will be traveling considerably FASTER than the pulse in the 3" pipe. While it is true that the narrower the pipe, the higher the velocity of the exiting gases, you want make sure the pipe is wide enough so that there is as little backpressure as possible while maintaining suitable exhaust gas velocity. Backpressure in it's most extreme form can lead to reversion of the exhaust stream - that is to say the exhaust flows backwards, which is not good. The trick is to have a pipe that that is as narrow as possible while having as close to zero backpressure as possible at the RPM range you want your power band to be located at. Exhaust pipe diameters are best suited to a particular RPM range. A smaller pipe diameter will produce higher exhaust velocities at a lower RPM but create unacceptably high amounts of backpressure at high rpm. Thus if your powerband is located 2-3000 RPM you'd want a narrower pipe than if your powerband is located at 8-9000RPM.

    Many engineers try to work around the RPM specific nature of pipe diameters by using setups that are capable of creating a similar effect as a change in pipe diameter on the fly. The most advanced is Ferrari's which consists of two exhaust paths after the header - at low RPM only one path is open to maintain exhaust velocity, but as RPM climbs and exhaust volume increases, the second path is opened to curb backpressure - since there is greater exhaust volume there is no loss in flow velocity. BMW and Nissan use a simpler and less effective method - there is a single exhaust path to the muffler; the muffler has two paths; one path is closed at low RPM but both are open at high RPM.

    IV. So how did this myth come to be?

    I often wonder how the myth "Hondas need backpressure" came to be. Mostly I believe it is a misunderstanding of what is going on with the exhaust stream as pipe diameters change. For instance, someone with a civic decides he's going to uprade his exhaust with a 3" diameter piping. Once it's installed the owner notices that he seems to have lost a good bit of power throughout the powerband. He makes the connections in the following manner: "My wider exhaust eliminated all backpressure but I lost power, therefore the motor must need some backpressure in order to make power." What he did not realize is that he killed off all his flow velocity by using such a ridiculously wide pipe. It would have been possible for him to achieve close to zero backpressure with a much narrower pipe - in that way he would not have lost all his flow velocity.

    V. So why is exhaust velocity so important?

    The faster an exhaust pulse moves, the better it can scavenge out all of the spent gasses during valve overlap. The guiding principles of exhaust pulse scavenging are a bit beyond the scope of this doc but the general idea is a fast moving pulse creates a low pressure area behind it. This low pressure area acts as a vacuum and draws along the air behind it. A similar example would be a vehicle traveling at a high rate of speed on a dusty road. There is a low pressure area immediately behind the moving vehicle - dust particles get sucked into this low pressure area causing it to collect on the back of the vehicle. This effect is most noticeable on vans and hatchbacks which tend to create large trailing low pressure areas - giving rise to the numerous "wash me please" messages written in the thickly collected dust on the rear door(s).

    VI. Conclusion.

    SO it turns out that Hondas don't need backpressure, they need as high a flow velocity as possible with as little backpressure as possible.
    This [I]does[I] make sense to me, but I dont know it's credibility 'cos it's been copy-pasted and not cited... but it goes against what you said about backpressure. I'm not an expert in the field of fluid mechanics.

  2. #3890
    Quote Originally Posted by liquid23 View Post
    damn 5k is maybe a tad over priced? lol
    from the picture the spoiler isn't the actual Mugen RR spoiler where it has a center piece on the bottom and CF centre piece is skinnier. just looks like a type R spoiler.

    which body kit does everyone prefer?
    Mugen
    Mugen RR
    Type R

    or abit of mix and match


    but it could be the shipping??
    can anybody confirm roughly the cost for shipping a whole bodykit into Aus?

  3. #3891
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    nah its 5k witohut shipping i think.. the guy is located in sydney anyway.

    not sure how much shipping to aus would be. but varies from diff countries, where you looking to import from?

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    well it says its $200 to ship within australia.

    I have imported from Taiwan by sea because if things are imported they cannot be over 110cm or something by air so i had to get 0.5 cubic meters of a container. That costs US$215 and then you have to pay import charges and tax and all this crap so it turned out to be US$215 + AU$470

    i got my mugen kit from carlights or something in brisbane. shipping was only $100
    FD Parts for sale
    http://tiny.cc/fdsale

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    Quote Originally Posted by aero View Post
    got it from ultimate auto trim. the seller on ebay. took a while for them to make the product. it was about 5-6 weeks from when i paid for it, to when i got it at my doorstep.
    i also got some extra material to do the door trim. so that'll probably be on by next week.
    How much??????can u pls find out for me?just for bak seat as I've got bucket seat up front n the armrest. Much appriciated.

    g

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    hey guys

    What size tyre's are you guys using for ur 17" wheel specs that doesn't affect the speedometer of your car

    trying to find the best tyre for 17" rims and also suggestions for particular brands.

    Kumho Ku31
    yokhoma s-drives
    falkens.

    thanks

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    my stock sport rims are 215/45/17

    the michellin pilot preceda on mine are pretty sweet. most people have said good things about them too from what i read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ej20i View Post
    How much??????can u pls find out for me?just for bak seat as I've got bucket seat up front n the armrest. Much appriciated.

    g
    i wouldnt know how much it would cost just for the rear seats, but the arm rest in the middle is $50 and if u want extra material to do ur door trims its an extra $100.
    they're still selling on ebay, so u should give them a message and ask how much it would be for just the rear seats.

    here's the link:
    http://cgi.ebay.com.au/LEATHER-SEAT-...3%3A1|294%3A50

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    hey guys, you know 09 civic's low beam have a cap on it, i was thinking of removing it to make the bulb brighter. just wondering , has anyone done it b4(if they have how did they do it)? can u put the cap back later on?

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    Why on earth wuld you do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by curtis265 View Post
    Sorry to be a pain, but this is what i saw on another forum




    This [I]does[I] make sense to me, but I dont know it's credibility 'cos it's been copy-pasted and not cited... but it goes against what you said about backpressure. I'm not an expert in the field of fluid mechanics.
    What I mean is when you travel in lower RPM and if you run a 3" exhaust pipe then your system is not as efficient as running a 2.5" exhaust pipe. unless you rev the hell out of ur car daily and keep driving at 7000-8000 RPM at all times. And I experience a lot of different setup of honda's and I can tell you if you drive one with or without resonator, the one with it will have better torque and the one without will have better power in high end. hope that clears the question.....
    Mugen Whore #2

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    Quote Originally Posted by air23box View Post
    What I mean is when you travel in lower RPM and if you run a 3" exhaust pipe then your system is not as efficient as running a 2.5" exhaust pipe. unless you rev the hell out of ur car daily and keep driving at 7000-8000 RPM at all times. And I experience a lot of different setup of honda's and I can tell you if you drive one with or without resonator, the one with it will have better torque and the one without will have better power in high end. hope that clears the question.....
    Misheard ya

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