do i need engineer certificate if i got b18c in to eg GLI?

[dougie_504]

And I don't know about this but VicRoads doesn't seem to specify that the manufacturer had to release the car with the alternative engine on a domestic market...so I think putting a B16A in an EG civic would be fine as it came standard in the Type R in Japan.

What you might also be able to do is install a B16A2 engine from the Del Sol etc into an EG because I've heard the stamp on those Aus delivered B16A2s don't actually have the "2" in some cases from what I've heard...it just says "B16A" (will need somebody to confirm this).

[vampzzz]

And I don't know about this but VicRoads doesn't seem to specify that the manufacturer had to release the car with the alternative engine on a domestic market...so I think putting a B16A in an EG civic would be fine as it came standard in the Type R in Japan.

What you might also be able to do is install a B16A2 engine from the Del Sol etc into an EG because I've heard the stamp on those Aus delivered B16A2s don't actually have the "2" in some cases from what I've heard...it just says "B16A" (will need somebody to confirm this).

check again mate, i've been through it, got rejected from vicroads because my b18c7 was not an option to my ej8 from the car manufacturer being honda.

Change of engine
1. Replacement engine is identical to the original engine, or is an option allowed by the manufacturer for the same model vehicle
The optional engine must be offered in Australia by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle (or certified variants). The change of engine may be recorded by VicRoads provided that the registered operator or a motor mechanic, or dealer in that make of vehicle or an Automotive Engineer signs a declaration certifying the engine is optional for the vehicle model, and that all modifications made by the manufacturer for the same vehicle model with that optional engine have been completed.

You will need to attend a VicRoads Customer Service Centre to have the vehicle's engine inspected to confirm the new engine details. No appointment is required. You will also need to complete a Change of Vehicle Description form.

2. Replacement engine is not of a type offered by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle or where alterations, or changes to the vehicle's frame or structure are made, and/or specially fabricated supports or structures are used
You will need to attend a VicRoads Customer Service Centre for an inspection of the vehicle to confirm the new engine details. You will also need to complete a Change of Vehicle Description form and provide VicRoads with:

* a VASS Approval Certificate from a VicRoads Vehicle Assessment Signatory
* an original receipt for the purchase of the engine as proof of ownership of the engine

and if you still don't believe me it is extracted from here: http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...ehicleDetails/

[burner42]

check again mate, i've been through it, got rejected from vicroads because my b18c7 was not an option to my ej8 from the car manufacturer being honda.



and if you still don't believe me it is extracted from here: http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...ehicleDetails/

so what kind of headaches did you have to go through in order to get your b18c7 in your car then Vampzzz?

[dougie_504]

check again mate, i've been through it, got rejected from vicroads because my b18c7 was not an option to my ej8 from the car manufacturer being honda.

and if you still don't believe me it is extracted from here: http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...ehicleDetails/

Well I don't really need to check anything mate, I just just saying what I thought with the understanding that I could have been wrong.
And yeah but did the B18C7 come in the EJ8? What I was getting at is that I thought maybe you could do a B16A into an EG Civic as it was standard in the Civic Type R or whatever but according to your link it needs to be available to the model in Australia - not on an international scale.
The B18C7 would never be an option without a cert.

And relax, I believe you.

[Stig]

victorian laws state that if the engine is an increase in displacement, and the engine wasn't an option to the car when the manufacturer released the car then you will need an engineers certificate.

what about a k20a into a fd1? got me thinking since it is a original engine in a fd2r from honda but not in aus and k20z2 came in fd2

[dougie_504]

what about a k20a into a fd1? got me thinking since it is a original engine in a fd2r from honda but not in aus and k20z2 came in fd2

Yeah it might not work if the K20A isn't available in the FD1 in Australia, according to the link that Vamp supplied

[Stig]

actually it wont work, lol how gay

The optional engine must be offered in Australia by the vehicle manufacturer

[02gzm]

Jesus this is still going on.

Ok here is exactly what it says on the VicRoads vehicle modifications website as Vampzzz has already linked. Just to clarify again, as it's been pointed out numerous times in here already and still hasn't sunk in to some. Note the bolded points.

Change of engine

1. Replacement engine is identical to the original engine, or is an option allowed by the manufacturer for the same model vehicle
The optional engine must be offered in Australia by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle (or certified variants). The change of engine may be recorded by VicRoads provided that the registered operator or a motor mechanic, or dealer in that make of vehicle or an Automotive Engineer signs a declaration certifying the engine is optional for the vehicle model, and that all modifications made by the manufacturer for the same vehicle model with that optional engine have been completed.

You will need to attend a VicRoads Customer Service Centre to have the vehicle's engine inspected to confirm the new engine details. No appointment is required. You will also need to complete a Change of Vehicle Description form [PDF 24kb].

2. Replacement engine is not of a type offered by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle or where alterations, or changes to the vehicle's frame or structure are made, and/or specially fabricated supports or structures are used
You will need to attend a VicRoads Customer Service Centre for an inspection of the vehicle to confirm the new engine details. You will also need to complete a Change of Vehicle Description form [PDF 24kb] and provide VicRoads with:

* a VASS Approval Certificate from a VicRoads Vehicle Assessment Signatory
* an original receipt for the purchase of the engine as proof of ownership of the engine

Here's the information on VASS certification and basically how it is the new RES (Recognised Engineering Signatory) scheme.

This means that yes, you will need certification to swap any B-series engine into an EG, a B18 into an EK or a K20A into a FD.


The next bit I'm goin to just quote myself from a previous discussion as I'm sure it has some relevance. Plus it will help clarify engine swaps for P-platers as it contains the national legislation for engine modifications.

Read this link.

It is the engine modification section of the national legislation for light vehicle construction and modification.

Section 1.1

MODIFICATIONS NOT REQUIRING CERTIFICATION

• Fitting a replacement new, used or reconditioned engine.
• Fitting a manufacturer’s optional engine for that same model vehicle.
• Fitting replacement original equipment (or equivalent) engine & exhaust components.

In all of the above cases, if the engine is modified, it must be certified under the relevant Approval Code.

Section 1.2

MODIFICATIONS REQUIRING CERTIFICATION UNDER LA APPROVAL CODES

• Fitting equivalent engines (within 20% of original power and engine weight).
• Fitting performance engines.
• Modifying engines and engine components.

I'm assuming from the D16A8 you want to replace it's in an EG civic or crx? So in relations to your average pre-95 Honda engine swap, the only engines not requireing certification are replacement engines of the same type or manufacturer optioned engines, i.e. another D-series engine. EG6's (and EF8, EF9, etc.) were never released in Australia so technically you aren't even meant to have an un-plated B16 in a pre-95 Honda as they should be coded as a LA1 modification (equivalent engine within 20% of original power and weight).

Civic's never came out with either a B18C or a B20. And both of these engines are over 20% of the power output of a D16. So they are classified as performance engines under the legislation and require certification and a LA2 coded mod plate (same thing on the blue slip or whatever you guys call it down there).

Yes, your average cop may pass over an engine swap and not realise it didn't come like that from factory. But get an asshole, sent to the pits or pulled over by a department of transport inspector and it won't end well. And with the way that you P-platers are targetted these days it isn't worth the risk imo. Remember, it isn't illegal do do the engine swap. It's illegal for a P-plater to drive a LA plated car.

[vampzzz]

so what kind of headaches did you have to go through in order to get your b18c7 in your car then Vampzzz?

still haven't got it registered yet as i don't have the funds to get an engineers atm.

what about a k20a into a fd1? got me thinking since it is a original engine in a fd2r from honda but not in aus and k20z2 came in fd2

it should work as its the same displacement, only when you increase the displacement will you need an engineers certificate. i'm not sure though, so if anyone can confirm?

Well I don't really need to check anything mate, I just just saying what I thought with the understanding that I could have been wrong.
And yeah but did the B18C7 come in the EJ8? What I was getting at is that I thought maybe you could do a B16A into an EG Civic as it was standard in the Civic Type R or whatever but according to your link it needs to be available to the model in Australia - not on an international scale.
The B18C7 would never be an option without a cert.

And relax, I believe you.

nah, didn't mean it like that mate. just wanted to explain what i was saying. all good.

[mocchi]

it should work as its the same displacement, only when you increase the displacement will you need an engineers certificate. i'm not sure though, so if anyone can confirm?

15% capacity increase isn't true in vic, that's what i know.

just to be clear so vic peeps don't get confused with other state laws.

i hope hes not in vic.

[02gzm]

it should work as its the same displacement, only when you increase the displacement will you need an engineers certificate. i'm not sure though, so if anyone can confirm?

This means that yes, you will need certification to swap any B-series engine into an EG, a B18 into an EK or a K20A into a FD.

Read my big post above.

[ek9vtec]

still haven't got it registered yet as i don't have the funds to get an engineers atm.

where in melb can you get an engineers? is it hard?