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							Here is what i see. In MY opinion. 2 ways of thinking are going on at the moment
 Adrian
 "Even when you do manage to polish a turd & it ends up really fast...At the end of the day, it's still shit."
 
 Ben
 "Its not the cover that is important...its the power within"
 
 By the way of thinking couldnt you say,  if a car is fast, who cares if its running a d16, "its not the cover that is important... its the power within"  I completely agree, however i believe adrian contradicts this by lableing something as a polished turd purely based on a engine number.. not on the power it produces.
 
 Dont get my wrong im sure you all have your own professional opinions. But i find it strange that you both seem to be "batting on the same team" yet your making statements that are contradicting each other.
 
				
                                       
                                 
				
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							The guys in the US know how to build d's!
 We don't here,but this next year will be big for the d!
 
 Years go by and the old d still delivers!
 
 I've never lost faith in the power a SOHC engine puts out.
 
 It comes down to knowledge and money,but the d is cheap to build and a TONNE of power can be extracted from it!
 
 bisi just got 388kw out of his SOHC turbo'ed d16z.Not too shabby eh
 
	
	
		
		
			
				
				
						
						
				
					
						
							
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					  Originally Posted by beeza   The guys in the US know how to build d's! 
We don't here,but this next year will be big for the d!
 
Years go by and the old d still delivers!
 
I've never lost faith in the power a SOHC engine puts out.
 
It comes down to knowledge and money,but the d is cheap to build and a TONNE of power can be extracted from it!
bisi  just got 388kw out of his SOHC turbo'ed d16z.Not too shabby eh & you've summed up that parody to the Pied Piper of Hamelin quite nicely.
 
 
 
 
				
                                       
                                 
				
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					  Originally Posted by Sexc86   With that sort of attitude you could say... why spend 20k + on a Kseries engine conversions on a FWD 15 year old 5k Honda civic... At the end of the day its still a civic. Ment for grocery shopping actually honda japan made some civics for the track
 
 we in australia just got the shit models
 
 d series civics perfect for grocery shopping
 i should know i own one now
 and no way would a mod one to get more power out of it at end of the day its not worth the money imo
 
 breeza love your work buddy
 
	
	
		
		
			
				
				
						
						
				
					
						
							I know nothing about Honda engines, other than the basics I've read here... but correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the D series motor the most common engine available in the Civic? Wouldn't it make sense for more people to play with them.. so I would have thought anyway.. seems like people just take the easy option and swap in a better motor.
 If you ask me it doesn't matter what engine you have.. in the end its just a shopping trolley. I doubt anyone that has a Civic is in any delusion otherwise. Mine sits at a station carpark or in the uni carpark... and compared to my mates Barina looks damn sexy and goes A LOT harder. We're talking about cars worth < $5000 nowadays. Cheap motoring!
 
	
	
		
		
			
				
				
						
						
				
					
						
							
	
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by beeza   
It comes down to knowledge and money,but the d is cheap to build and a TONNE of power can be extracted from it!
bisi  just got 388kw out of his SOHC turbo'ed d16z.Not too shabby eh Don't agree with this tho - a d series motor will not be cheap to build to be performing to the same or above level as say b series motors have stock. Even more money is required to make then do decent times.Also a tonne of power can be extracted
 from almost any motor with the correct massive turbo lol.
 
 Granted , there have been amazing results from the states and south America but these engines will be highly strung , highly stressed and won't be built with longevity in mind.
 
 Just go have fun
   
	
	
		
		
			
				
				
						
						
				
					
						
							
	
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by 90LAN   actually honda japan made some civics for the track 
 we in australia just got the shit models
 
 d series civics perfect for grocery shopping
 i should know i own one now
 and no way would a mod one to get more power out of it at end of the day its not worth the money imo
 
 breeza love your work buddy
 
 These civics you speak of... do they keep up with REAL sports cars? like GTR's or NSX's ? dont think so. A civic is a civic no matter how its dressed. But hey... i dont mind, i own one!
 
 
 Isnt anyone going to comment on post 493? because thats the only point i am picking at ...
 
				
				
				
					
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	actually they do lyle if you checked
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by Sexc86   These civics you speak of... do they keep up with REAL sports cars? like GTR's or Evo's ? dont think so. A civic is a civic no matter how its dressed. But hey... i dont mind, i own one! 
 you are trying to compare things
 what you are trying to say is would a d series keep up with a bseries
 you know that answer
 
 were talking about hondas here not other cars
 
 so keep to the topic about the potential of the d series
 
 if the d series was so cheap to get power and performance
 
 why isnt there heaps of these cars getting done in australia to the potential of the yanks ?
 
 instead of doing engine swaps all the time
 
 
 you mite own a turd but not realise it
 you polish that turd right up and get rid of the smell too so its really nice
 but people still see it as a polished turd no matter how you look at it
 
 but its your turd so you gotta love it any way
 
 just my interpretation you asked for to be commented on
 
				
				
				
					
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	Lyle... you're thinking way too much, just let it go... LOL
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by Sexc86   Isnt anyone going to comment on post 493? because thats the only point i am picking at ... 
 Happy New Year everyone...
 Hope you all have a safe one... I'm off to have a Bevie...
 Cheers
 
 Adrian
 
				
                                       
                                 
				
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					  Originally Posted by TODA AU   LOL... & you've summed up that parody to the Pied Piper of Hamelin quite nicely.
  
 And that's it benny! Just have FUN!!
 
 I'm out there tracking my grocery shopping car
   
	
	
		
		
			
				
				
						
						
				
					
						
							
	
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by 90LAN   actually they do lyle if you checked 
 you are trying to compare things
 what you are trying to say is would a d series keep up with a bseries
 you know that answer
 
 were talking about hondas here not other cars
 
 so keep to the topic about the potential of the d series
 
 if the d series was so cheap to get power and performance
 
 why isnt there heaps of these cars getting done in australia to the potential of the yanks ?
 
 instead of doing engine swaps all the time
 
 
 you mite own a turd but not realise it
 you polish that turd right up and get rid of the smell too so its really nice
 but people still see it as a polished turd no matter how you look at it
 
 but its your turd so you gotta love it any way
 
 just my interpretation you asked for to be commented on
 Actually mate all this crap you just garbeled out i didnt mention one bit... nor do i see how it has any relevance on the post 493.  I just pointed out 2 peoples conflicting views, but people like you come in here and go off on a ****ing tangent... then turn it around on me like im the idiot.
 
 But hey...what do i know ?
 
				
				
				
					
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					  Originally Posted by Sexc86   Actually mate all this crap you just garbeled out i didnt mention one bit... nor do i see how it has any relevance on the post 493. I just pointed out 2 peoples conflicting views, but people like you come in here and go off on a ****ing tangent... then turn it around on me like im the idiot. 
 But hey...what do i know ?
 so when are going to get decent d series builds in australia?
 
 
	
	
 
	
	
	
	
	
	
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