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  1. #1129
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    A CRONOLOGY OF EVENTS

    Looking back at this PCD problem, I have a record that I first reported this issue to the Honda dealership on 2 March 2009 during the 1 Month first service. The dealership (presumably after checking with Honda Australia) informed me that I was the first person to notice this problem and it was not an issue. I continued to complain to the dealership and in August 2009 the dealership contacted me and told me that a fix had been released (Ping Fix 1) but it didn't work very well and a second fix was on it's way.
    Problem description: Mild pinging at Hwy speeds @2200rpm. Average fuel consumption during this period was 6.5Ltr/100km Hwy and 7.5 Ltr/100kms City.

    The dealership then contacted me a couple of weeks later and told me that a second fix (Ping Fix 2) now worked and I was subsequently booked in for my 6 month service which would be carried out together with Ping Fix 2 which included the replacement of the Knock Sensor and SW download. This work took them all of 2hour and 30 minutes to complete. For this they charged me $294.30
    Driving the car out of the dealership at the first hill, the car pinged it's head off and it took over two tanks of 98RON fuel to settle it down. You may recall that I was attempting to train the EMC as it was said that it required "learning". The problem still continues in a milder form.
    Problem description: Mild pinging under load @3400rpm. Average fuel consumption during this period was 8.2 Ltr/100km Hwy and 9.5 Ltr/100kms City.

    I called up the dealership and complained within the first 2 days of having Ping Fix 2 applied and was told to come back after 3 tanks of 98RON petrol.

    The car was booked in on 13 January 2010 and I left specific instructions with the dealership that I wanted the EMC reprogrammed. I returned 4.5 hours later to find out that the problem was reproduced and a snapshot taken which was sent to Honda Australia. I was also told that Honda Australia had told them that this was not a problem and the dealership advised me that this was "a characteristic of the car". The EMC was NOT reprogrammed as instructed.
    Reason: HDS kept looping back to start and would not permit reprogramming.

    Subsequent letters to Honda Australia have resulted in them stating that this "vehicle is operating to specification".

    Now if you look at the above chronology of events it is obvious that Honda Australia have first denied that there is a problem, subsequently issuing two fixes, then denying that the problem ever existed. HELLO, WAKE UP!!!! We don't all live in La La Land....

    Look, this problem is NOT specific to Australia. It is reported in USA where the Euro is sold under the Acura TSX badge, South Africa, Singapore and UK (to my knowledge).

    Reading though the posts on this forum, it is noted that not all cars were effected and subsequently, most cars were rectified after Ping Fix 2. However, there are still some cars that and not fixed and Honda must fix these cars. They can't be allowed to shrug the responsibility of warranty by denying that the problem does not exist. A problem they have acknowledged by issuing two fixes. They simply can't walk away from this problem after acknowledging that this is an issue.

    Toyota are under the scrutiny of the NHTSA in USA with sticking accelerator pedals and alleged electronic malfunctions. Nissan also is recalling certain 2005 to 2009 Armadas and Titans and some 2006 and 2008 Frontier pickups and Xterra and Pathfinder SUVs due to faulty gas gauges. Source MSNBC

    It's time Honda got it's act together and fixed this problem.

    If your vehicle is still effected by this problem them write a letter of complaint detailing the problem and asking for a resolution. you can post it on the Honda Australia web Site.

    http://contact.honda.com.au/

    or By Mail
    Honda Australia Pty Ltd
    Locked Bag 95, Tullamarine VIC 3043

    These complaints are catalogued and statistics collected. If you don't complain you won't get anything. It is that simple.
    Irving, I went to my dealership today and sadly they can do nothing else from me. They have advised of all the cars they have applied the fix to all still have a similar minor pinging issues as per my vehicle. 30 in total and only 3 complaints. Must be a lot of deaf people out there or people who have just got not idea. In any case, it looks like I have exhausted all avenues and time to move on.

    I guess good lucky to you and I'll be interested to see outcome with you car but from what I can gather, there is no further fix that can be applied.

    What an absolute disgrace Honda. You can forget about me buying another one.

    What a joke!!!!

  2. #1130
    Quote Originally Posted by Bilt View Post
    ...Must be a lot of deaf people out there or people who have just got not idea....
    How many time we should states that NO PERSONAL ATTACK PLEASE!

    I have my pinging problem fix and now I cant hear any ping at all, so that mean I'm either deaf or got no idea.

    If I have my son's pram at the boot and everytime I ran into speedhump it making clank noise, should I go to dealer and complain that my car still ping? Because if I didn't do this, NEWCOMER like you will say that I'm deaf? Bloody heck!

    Like you said
    Quote Originally Posted by Bilt View Post
    What a Joke!!!!

    Bye2 Honda... Hello Mazda family

  3. #1131
    QUICK VERDICT: MY CAR IS FIXED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I will write a more detailed report once I have fully tested the car. I will be taking it up to the entrance tomorrow and will put it through it's paces........

  4. #1132
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    Quote Originally Posted by denot View Post
    How many time we should states that NO PERSONAL ATTACK PLEASE!

    I have my pinging problem fix and now I cant hear any ping at all, so that mean I'm either deaf or got no idea.

    If I have my son's pram at the boot and everytime I ran into speedhump it making clank noise, should I go to dealer and complain that my car still ping? Because if I didn't do this, NEWCOMER like you will say that I'm deaf? Bloody heck!

    Like you said
    Denot, my apolgies. I was not referring to anyone on this forum when I wrote the earlier advice. In any case, I can see that I was clearly out of line and once again my apologies for that.

    I was merely stating that the 30 cars which had the fix applied at the dealership I have been going to all apparently still have a similar pinging problem if I am to believe what the head mechanic is telling me but they have had only 3 complaints. Hence why I said there must be a lot of deaf people out there etc. I was not referring to anyone here as mentioned above.

    Just frustrated that's all mate.

    Once again, sorry to you and anyone I may have offended here. This was not my intention.

    Irving, sounds promising. Keep us posted. By the way, what dealership did you go to ?

  5. #1133
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    That is excellent news Irving!

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    HALLELUJAH!!! Irving please do give us a detailed report after your road trip and include which dealer you went to and exactly what items they replaced TIA.
    (づ ̄3 ̄)づ

  7. #1135
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickxau View Post
    HALLELUJAH!!! Irving please do give us a detailed report after your road trip and include which dealer you went to and exactly what items they replaced TIA.
    As above.Please post detailed report and also which dealer did the fix.These are the sort of posts we need here.Positive ones.

  8. #1136
    Finally, my car is fixed! Thirteen long months of unhappy motoring later this problem is now fixed. And WOW, what a car? I drove 170kms today and smiled all the way.

    Here is the problem as I see it:
    Honda refers to this as PCS (Post combustion sound). The problem as described to me by the dealership mechanic was that the PCS would happen for an extended period in excess of 10 seconds. This was deemed dangerous and Honda issued a workaround/fix solution which incorporated the change in the Knock Sensor and Software for the Engine Management Computer (EMC) and the Automatic Transmission.

    Following the Ping Fix, some vehicles continue to be effected by the PCS albeit with a reduced severity. My Euro (6MT with Shell VPower 98) would ping for a few seconds then the EMC compensates by adjusting the air/fuel mixture and/or timing. This happens in the 3400rpm to 4000rpm range under load. There is a clicking sound while this process takes place. You may hear several clicks or a series of clicks prior to the EMC compensation taking place. Honda claimed that this "vehicle is operating within specification".
    Models with Automatic Transmission are less likely to exhibit this characteristic than it's manual counterpart. As I understand it, this is because when a load is detected, the electronics controlling the Automatic Transmission sends a signal to the EMC preparing it for a richer air/fuel mixture and/or timing adjustment. The EMC then has time to make the necessary adjustments before the driver hears the PCS.

    In my CU2 revving the engine always gave me the sense of roughness, not smooth like a well oiled machine and certainly not like my beloved 200SX. Revving the K24Z past the 3000 rpm range was not a pleasant experience due to the roughness of the engine. And then the pinging PCS would become audible (under load) until the engine worked it's way over the 4000rpm range. This vehicle was claimed to operate within specification.
    This may be due to the following reason. If your CU2 pinged for less than 10 seconds before the EMC made the necessary adjustment, it was deemed "operating within specification" and installation of a new EMC would not be approved by Honda Australia.

    In order to reproduce the problem when required and on a consistent basis, Shell VPower 98 was put in tank. This brand of fuel consistently reproduced the PCS. I had previously tested Caltex Vortex 98 with similar results to Shell but perhaps less prone to pinging. BP Ultimate 98 performed the best with little/no pinging.

    The pinging was easy to reproduce. I demonstrated the problem to the Dealership Technician and he said that although there was pinging, it was less than 10 seconds and that was within specification. He also told me that Honda would not approve a replacement EMC due to this reason. We talked about the problem for quite a while, he also told me that it was not possible to re-program the EMC again as the SW could not be loaded twice. We also couldn't go back to the previous SW and then reload the new SW. The options that were left were to check and troubleshoot the problem. It was agreed that the EMC would be reset at the very least.

    When I tested the car with the Technician (at pickup), the problem could no longer be reproduced on the same streets. So what was done (in addition to the 12 month service?) EMC reset and CKP reset (this is the Knock Sensor mapping) which MUST be reset after a new knock sensor is installed.
    I took the car up to the Entrance and back today. The first three hills on the F3 produced a maximum of 10 clicks. That was it. No more clicking or pinging or roughness.
    THE PINGING IN MY EURO IS NOW FIXED.

    I would like to thank Ranit for taking on this problem and Harry who worked on my car from 8:30am to 4:30pm. Thankyou.

    I now use and recommend Larke Hoskins Honda Homebush
    Corner Bridge and
    Parramatta Road
    Homebush
    Last edited by Irving; 11-03-2010 at 03:09 PM. Reason: Clarification - Knock Sensor timing adjustment

  9. #1137
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    As I have been saying all along, the upgrade for the post combustion noise needs to be implemented in a certain sequence to be successful by a technician who knows what he is doing. Unfortunately not all mechanics know their job & when they get it wrong we blame the manufacturer of the car. Always remember there are tradesman & there are so called tradesman, not every dealership is fortunate enough to have fully qualified, knowledgeable technicians who take pride in their work working for them which effects their reputation, (& our anguish if we have problems). Any company is only as good as the staff they have working for them. Now you can hopefully enjoy your car as much as I do.

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    Irving and buddah, would you guys have the time to post the (itemised) parts used for the fix? I'm very interested to know...
    (づ ̄3 ̄)づ

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    Irving Well done Mate

    Hi Irving

    Im very happy that you were helped properly by the dealership.
    All the best for the future and enjoy your car.
    You will find that as the car continues to be run in its performance
    will get better.
    My euro is now 16,000 kms and im extremely happy with performance, economy the lot

    I Just love the sensation of revving the motor and hearing that vtec sing.
    Thanks
    Vid

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickxau View Post
    Irving and buddah, would you guys have the time to post the (itemised) parts used for the fix? I'm very interested to know...
    can't help you there as i neither asked for or received an invoice.

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