CIVIC EK4/EK9 VS TOYOTA AE111 Levin BZR

[davidvtec]

Quit your hating on Toyota's! Kudos to those that actually know something about an AE111. For starters, the BZ-R is the last of the Levin's to sport the latest generation 4AGE's (black top 20 valve with quad throttle bodies from stock, supposedly makes 127 flywheel kw). The earlier gen AE101's had silver top 20 valves with around 121kw. BZ-R's, aren't such a bad car for the money you pay, you get decent sized brakes (twin piston calipers front), susperstrut suspension and if you look hard enough, a close-ratio 6 speed transmission with the option LSD from factory.

The Pulsar VZ-R is quite docile, it's has the SR20 in N/A form that revs to about 8500rpm and has VVL, very similar to VTEC.

some very useful info there ! you definitely know your toyotas haha but yeah the vz-r has a sr16ve NA like vampzzz pointed out

[davidvtec]

qiute a few people here preferring the ae111, which reallly suprises me haha i still prefer the EKs and honda OVERALL. the ae111 kinda it looks like a baby version of an s15 lmao

[ninzee]

qiute a few people here preferring the ae111, which reallly suprises me haha i still prefer the EKs and honda OVERALL. the ae111 kinda it looks like a baby version of an s15 lmao

thats different to what your asking lol
i prefer honda over toyota
but i prefer the ae111 over the ek

[AE092]

trung, the vz-r pulsar have sr16ve NA.

Yeh my mistake, it was late when I typed it. Also, it red line starts at 7500rpm and not 8500rpm as I said.

some very useful info there ! you definitely know your toyotas haha but yeah the vz-r has a sr16ve NA like vampzzz pointed out

Yeh I'm a Toyota man and it's good rivalry when racing at the 'tracks.

[mugen_ctr]

Em1 cant match the speed an handling of ae111, as ae111 is simply better well equiped over all, using superstruts an all other stuff to make it handle as good as ek9, but my god they sound terrible with a full exhaust system, maybe its just my ears, its a shame, cause i would opted to buy a ae111, but insurance was just to much, sense they are imports, and there aint many around, i was looking at paying closes to 4-5k!!!!! annually, way too much lol

sr16ve vs b16b, i think thats what most ponder about, lol, for me b16b hands down, overall package, Vz-R

Btw, ae101 came supercharged as well, yet the newer 4age with itb makes the same power, food for thought lol

[DreadAngel]

Ladies n Gents, lemme give you a headsup... Having been on both sides of the fence

Factory Engine Battle - Firstly AE111's 4A-GE 20V aka Blacktop claimed to make 165PS/162HP but it's known that it puts out only about 152PS/150HP if in good condition. Honda however to my knowledge didn't overrate their engines, they were actually quite accurate with the B16A 170PS/168HP and B16B 185PS/182HP. Torque however, 20V has more torque low, mid and at peak too making daily driving much easier and easy on the wallet too. You can smack the 20V all day and still achieve ~9.0L/100km, can't do that with a B16A/B though

Stock Comparo

AE111 v EG6 - You'll be surprised or might not be surprised, but the very first AE111 came out the same time as the last EG6 SiR-II. On the track, EG6 can't compete simply because of the AE111's better chassis and footwork. I can't remember a comparison on the drag strip.

AE111 v EM1/EK4 - EM1/EK4 loses out in every aspect to the AE111, both on the track and on the drag strip. I think this has to do with the B16A2 and the weight (especially the EM1) and how the AE111 BZ-R is more focused?

AE111 v EK9 - AE111 BZ-R v EK9 is a close comparison with both cars having comparable chassis and footwork imo, yes I've driven an EK9 before thank you. EK9 plays ball with you, more nimble/agile and light on its feet, AE111 a little more planted I suppose you could say though I suspect Hatch v Coupe ie Weight distribution and wheel base is a key factor too. The biggest difference is the 4A-GE 20V Blacktop v B16B, the power difference makes the difference here, EK9 simply outpowers the AE111 BZ.

AE111 v DC2R - Funny comparison actually... AE111 is NOT a competitor to the DC2R however having had DC2R owners drive my car, they say it feels and behaves like their car except engine power and torque obviously no where near the same, then again B18C kills any 4A-GE/B16A/B in all aspects anyway.

Aftermarket Support - Honda wins hands down, taken in around the world (Both EG/EK Chassis + B16A I'm talking about here) while the AE111 is exclusive to the JDM market only, you might find some parts for the Blacktop outside of Japan but almost all parts for the AE111 needs to be sourced from Japan itself. If you're smart though, you'll find Kiwi love their AE111s and you'll find nicely priced 2nd hand parts

Hope that clears it up

Btw OP, that's a very gingerly quarter for the AE111... You'll find most stock AE111 BZ-G/BZ-R doing low 15s with an average pilot though it is possible to go lower if you get it right... high 14s territory.

[davidvtec]

^^ whoa mate, did ya homework didnt ya LOL thats some good info right there mate good work (Y)

[AE092]

^^ whoa mate, did ya homework didnt ya LOL thats some good info right there mate good work (Y)

He owns an AE111

[mugen_ctr]

pricing for ek9 is still in 20k mark! and not the rebirth ones... as opposed to ae111, mid 15k an lower... which is priced match to ek4/em1, but in reality no one would pay that much for ek9, unless ur some hardcore fanatic lol

[davidvtec]

i dont actually know how a ek4 b16 goes cause i never drove one. i own a ek4 that has a rebuilt b18 engine that flies. thats why i was suprised the ek4 was defeated in the video. now i understand why

[mugen_ctr]

for a good one, 120,000kms or below is still around the 10-13k, em1s still fetch higher premium, around 12-15k last time i checked....

[shadou]

He owns an AE111

wouldn't have been a black ae111 bzr with blue front fenders trolling box hill would it ?