the first page of this thread literally blew me away. all these car enthusiasts getting out of tickets because they didn't admit to them and the cop didn't show them a radar reading. yet i know a 50 year old man who was not speeding, got done 30ks over the limit, asked to see the radar gun, got told to **** off, took it to court and lost. not saying anyone here was talking shit, it just amazed me.