[Euro] Hondata Update

[kitbkk]

A lot of reputable japs brands are quiet. I'm using Fujitsubo and it is quiet ,and I have few friends using Tanabe as well which is also quiet. Well in all situation, once you replace your cat you suppose to notice significant increase in noise.

agree with this more than 100%:thumbsup:
i also have Fujisubo exhaust. the noise s been a lil bit louder but not anoying loud after i got the rt cat.

[aaronng]

?? Do you mean that there are a lot of Japanese cat-back exhaust systems for the Euro that are quiet?

I believe the Hondata exhaust system comes with a high-flow cat standard. And if the video is anything to go by, the exhaust does sound loud. But that's ok. I'm sure heaps of people won't mind that. I'll just stick to the stealth sound

The sound in the video is more of the intake than the exhaust.

[BusterSonic12]

any news on the hondata??
i thought it was nearly out. is it still going to be release or what

[Suntzu]

Its getting very long winded this. Im sooo temped to just get a quality intake and header and forget about this. Its just my curiosity that keeps me checking...

[msnealo]

Wow this thread is over 2 years old now :eek:

[BusterSonic12]

can we get some update from the people doing stuff relating to this

[EuroBro]

I rang Croydons and "apparently" they can flash my euro in a couple of weeks for 12-1600 moolahs. Will ring again next week.

btw, Croydon's is listed as a dealer on hondatech site

[tony1234]

any news on the hondata??
i thought it was nearly out. is it still going to be release or what
I've given up!Remember Leon when the reflash is finally released, 06-07 models(us)have to wait ANOTHER 3-4 mths.:thumbdwn::thumbdwn:

[Merlin086]

I've given up!Remember Leon when the reflash is finally released, 06-07 models(us)have to wait ANOTHER 3-4 mths.:thumbdwn::thumbdwn:

.......which will likely be another yr or two!......:eek:...:(

[mr747]

I rang Croydons and "apparently" they can flash my euro in a couple of weeks for 12-1600 moolahs. Will ring again next week.

btw, Croydon's is listed as a dealer on hondatech sitekeep us up dated im very interested


Tony i feel your pain

[tony1234]

I rang Croydons and "apparently" they can flash my euro in a couple of weeks for 12-1600 moolahs. Will ring again next week.

btw, Croydon's is listed as a dealer on hondatech site
Please keep us updated!I thought 03-05 will be released then approx.3-4 mth.wait for 06-07.:confused:I hope i'm wrong!!

[Suntzu]

I only want another 67kw for $800 I dont see what the problem/hold up is?

[BusterSonic12]

where did the officials go?? can they give us some feedback please

[yfin]

where did the officials go?? can they give us some feedback please

Suggest you speak to James. Apparently the product was finished 29 May and they were waiting to finish the web site...I really hope they release soon because this little baby can't be far away...

http://tinypic.com/mcuo2b.jpg

[curik]

DAMN! That looks cute, but dont expect the bulging wheel arches like that. And they better be putting in the new advanced vtec engine in it. And SH-AWD

[euro77]

for some reason, the front looks like a camry? :(

[aaronng]

for some reason, the front looks like a camry? :(

It's because of the headlights. But.... the Camry's lights copied the Euro, which came out first. So that concept doesn't look like a Camry. It's the Camry that looks like the Euro.

2003:
http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i19/1939_2lo.jpg

2006:
http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5208252,00.jpg

[rhettzor]

Anyone heard anything more about the Hondata product? Is it worthwhile, or is it easier/cheaper to build your own kit?

(The new Euro looks sweet!)

[yfin]

From their website:
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=863&page=5 (http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=863&page=5)

"The latest is we’re changing our header design to accommodate more power in the automatic euro and make them compatible for fitment. The automatic Euro has a 2mm spacer behind the drive shafts and is not identical to the manual, this causes interference problems which is currently being rectified. For those who want more information please visit us at our research and testing facilities Rev Zone in Melbourne."

Not great news for people waiting patiently for release. One of these days there is going to be a good news story to say it has been sold, fitted and delivered to a Euro owner...

[tony1234]

Hondata???I think everyone here's given up waiting and waiting(i know i have):(:thumbdwn:

[yfin]

Hondata???I think everyone here's given up waiting and waiting(i know i have):(:thumbdwn:

I would have kept my Euro if this was available even just 2 months ago.

It is a shame because the reflash product itself will be good value and you get peace of mind that all the bolt ons work together nicely.

[aaronng]

It's a shame for them to hold up the manual Euro release because they want to fine tune the auto version.

I also have given up.

[Suntzu]

Yep me too. Im looking at a new system with I/H piggyback...

[tony1234]

I would have kept my Euro if this was available even just 2 months ago.

It is a shame because the reflash product itself will be good value and you get peace of mind that all the bolt ons work together nicely.
I agree.From what i've seen and read I'm sure the products inc.reflash will perform well,it's just the waiting and release dates that keep getting pushed forward that has pissed me off.

[alnug]

WOW..just thought I'd add my bit here...I'm from the UK and we had a prototype Hondata ecu over here about a year ago.

What we had to do was take out our ecu and substitute it for one that Hondata had reflashed......this cost £900 odd!!!!!!...we also had to loose the use of the immobiliser as well as other annoying effects...suffice it to say I didn't go for it...it was just too expensive for the hassle......we have a thread about it here (http://www.phpbber.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=106&mforum=sp4rks)

[Lukey13]

Apparently there is none of this "stage" business anymore.

Lets see the detail but I don't think I am buying this anymore. James is a good tuner and I am sure the product will do well but I don't feel it is for me.

So what's the go with the "stages" now???? Will the ECU for stock I/H/E be the same as that for the full blown upgraded I/H/E?

I suppose that allows for future upgrades of I/H/E without the hassle of having to reflash for maximum gains.

I would also prefer that the reflash be tuned for maximum gains on 98 RON fuel. Why would you bother running anything less on a retuned car?

[rhettzor]

Anyone heard anything more? I'm guessing he has been pretty busy with his new baby! :)

[hengis]

Hey all,

Just a quick comment to tell everybody that I have been involved in the testing of the Hondata Euro 5AT with James at Rev Zone.
I am very suprised at the quality of the products and the amount of power the car has produced from the limited 5AT engine.
The release is very close now, keep checking the Hondatech site for more info. I can tell you that the results are going to be very exciting, even compared against the biggest brand names in the aftermarket car scene.

cheers
Heng

[E-Gene]

I'm glad that I only waited for a few months unlike many that have waited for years.

[albii]

Lastest update.....release date is October 14....................2046.

[rhettzor]

Hey all,

Just a quick comment to tell everybody that I have been involved in the testing of the Hondata Euro 5AT with James at Rev Zone.
I am very suprised at the quality of the products and the amount of power the car has produced from the limited 5AT engine.
The release is very close now, keep checking the Hondatech site for more info. I can tell you that the results are going to be very exciting, even compared against the biggest brand names in the aftermarket car scene.

cheers
Heng

Sweet, thanks for the info Hengis! Are you able to give us any figures on your results or pricing?

[hengis]

Sweet, thanks for the info Hengis! Are you able to give us any figures on your results or pricing?

Unfortunately no but I can tell you that the figures have surprised even myself, and pricing will be competitive especially for an N/A engine with that amount of power output.

cheers

[BusterSonic12]

Unfortunately no but I can tell you that the figures have surprised even myself, and pricing will be competitive especially for an N/A engine with that amount of power output.

cheers

what yr model auto is your euro? because i remember reading somewhere that the reflash won't be available for 06+ autos :(

[enkay]

well it says hes got an 06 euro so guess thats good news for u =P

[BusterSonic12]

^ yah!! weehoo =O

[Peekay34]

Let me also say that I have driven my car for a change ... and yes is very quick...the figures James is getting now in KW and Tourque from the car is very good. while I can't release them ..sorry guys they are impressive. The final tune has been created the final design of the exhaust extractors and intake have been done which was the main delay.......web site is now being updated so is very very close now.

[hengis]

Yes, I have an 06 5AT.

[r-r-redEuro]

lol oh damn i cant wait for this to be released.

from the sounds of things it sounds so expensive compared to having a I/E/H ?

[aaronng]

lol oh damn i cant wait for this to be released.

from the sounds of things it sounds so expensive compared to having a I/E/H ?
What's the total price of an I/H/E and ECU + tuning? :)

[kitbkk]

sounds nice..if its less than 1k im in lol.
btw hengis, is urs night black hawk with mugen kit and works cr kai?

[r-r-redEuro]

lol id say about 3G ? hmm so the hondata would be cheaper.. how cheaper ? or is that the question everyone is asking ?

[aaronng]

lol id say about 3G ? hmm so the hondata would be cheaper.. how cheaper ? or is that the question everyone is asking ?
If you dig up the old thread, the I/H/E + hondata package was about 4k+. That was a long time ago. Not sure about the price now.

Hmm, Toda headers ($1400ish), K&N CAI ($400ish), BC catback ($1000), highflow cat ($400), ECU+tuning ($1000ish). No where near $3k man....

[sodaz]

If you dig up the old thread, the I/H/E + hondata package was about 4k+. That was a long time ago. Not sure about the price now.

Hmm, Toda headers ($1400ish), K&N CAI ($400ish), BC catback ($1000), highflow cat ($400), ECU+tuning ($1000ish). No where near $3k man....

I'm guessing at least $4.5k for I/H/E + ECU. Considering how long it's taking them to release it since they announced it, I'm kind of worried how long it will take them to fix problems if there are any.

[aaronng]

I'm guessing at least $4.5k for I/H/E + ECU. Considering how long it's taking them to release it since they announced it, I'm kind of worried how long it will take them to fix problems if there are any.
What problems do you expect to encounter? :) From their updates, the fit and finish should be perfect since they have been rejecting any substandard samples from their manufacturer. The ECU reflash itself works fine, it is only the tuning that is the biggest question. Will it ping when the 40ºC summer arrives?

[sodaz]

What problems do you expect to encounter? :) From their updates, the fit and finish should be perfect since they have been rejecting any substandard samples from their manufacturer. The ECU reflash itself works fine, it is only the tuning that is the biggest question. Will it ping when the 40ºC summer arrives?

Regarding the bolt-ons it's hard to tell until it's actually released. Even big companies like DC Sports and Comptech have problems with their products and they have a much bigger R&D and manufacturing budget. I'm not sure what problems can occur with the ECU but as far as i know they have only tested their products and software on 1 car in Australia. I'm just not too confident at this point, but we'll see...

[tony1234]

For the JTUNE(Hondata)I/H/E+reflash group buy=$4k+tuning which i think will be approx.$300.It's definitely the way to go if you want extra kw.from your car.Personally i wouldn't mess around with anything else.

[hengis]

sounds nice..if its less than 1k im in lol.
btw hengis, is urs night black hawk with mugen kit and works cr kai?

yes it is

[hengis]

If you dig up the old thread, the I/H/E + hondata package was about 4k+. That was a long time ago. Not sure about the price now.

Hmm, Toda headers ($1400ish), K&N CAI ($400ish), BC catback ($1000), highflow cat ($400), ECU+tuning ($1000ish). No where near $3k man....


1) much respect to you aaronng, but I would like to see you get your ECU and tuning done for your k24a for $1000 right now.
2) the total cost of your calculation adds up to $4200.....

I don't want to dwelve into pricing cuz its not my area as far as Hondata is concerned, but my set up so far:

injen intake: 450 shipped
greddy exhaust: 1350 shipped
metal cat: 500 shipped and flanges welded
headers: 360 shipped
and vafc + tuning: 650
= $3300

if I had toda headers, add another $1000 to that figure.
these don't even include fitting costs.

for that much money, the gains aren't worth it. I can live with that fact cuz its an N/A engine.

Even if the whole HONDATA setup was for 5k, I can tell you the power figures would be well worth that value.

[aaronng]

1) much respect to you aaronng, but I would like to see you get your ECU and tuning done for your k24a for $1000 right now.
2) the total cost of your calculation adds up to $4200.....

I don't want to dwelve into pricing cuz its not my area as far as Hondata is concerned, but my set up so far:

injen intake: 450 shipped
greddy exhaust: 1350 shipped
metal cat: 500 shipped and flanges welded
headers: 360 shipped
and vafc + tuning: 650
= $3300

if I had toda headers, add another $1000 to that figure.
these don't even include fitting costs.

for that much money, the gains aren't worth it. I can live with that fact cuz its an N/A engine.

Even if the whole HONDATA setup was for 5k, I can tell you the power figures would be well worth that value.
Are you running the china knockoff headers? Also, VAFC does not constitute a proper ECU. That is a piggy back that can only alter fuel trim. It can't even alter ignition timing, let alone the VTC cam timing. Just because of your VAFC, you won't be coming anywhere near the potential power gain of your mods. :)

A proper stanalone system like the Motec with all the add on modules to support the electronic throttle would come up to about $4k for just the ECU and tuning alone.

[kookie]

Hi Guys,

Not knowing pricing for the JTune package but all I know is that I have seen the product first hand with dyno results and 1/4 mile times to back this up and to be honest you WILL be making power all round with massive increases from mid to high.

Not owning a Euro myself (I have a DC5R) comparing dyno results from the JTune Euro with my dyno sheets. All I can say is it has gone from tame to Wild. I can't disclose any more then this, but for those that are willing to wait you wont be disappointed and will fall in love with your Euro's again.

[BusterSonic12]

just wonderin' does Greddy V-Manage work with our k24? because i saw some ads in auto salon mag saying it can be used for i-vtec but does it support electronic throttle?

[BusterSonic12]

1) much respect to you aaronng, but I would like to see you get your ECU and tuning done for your k24a for $1000 right now.
2) the total cost of your calculation adds up to $4200.....

I don't want to dwelve into pricing cuz its not my area as far as Hondata is concerned, but my set up so far:

injen intake: 450 shipped
greddy exhaust: 1350 shipped
metal cat: 500 shipped and flanges welded
headers: 360 shipped
and vafc + tuning: 650
= $3300

if I had toda headers, add another $1000 to that figure.
these don't even include fitting costs.

for that much money, the gains aren't worth it. I can live with that fact cuz its an N/A engine.

Even if the whole HONDATA setup was for 5k, I can tell you the power figures would be well worth that value.

?? so your just tuning with the vafc WITH the hondata ecu reflash or what?

[aaronng]

just wonderin' does Greddy V-Manage work with our k24? because i saw some ads in auto salon mag saying it can be used for i-vtec but does it support electronic throttle?
V-manage is only an i-vtec controller. It can support VTC, which is something that other piggybacks can't do. It's meant to be used together with the E-manage.

[hengis]

Are you running the china knockoff headers? Also, VAFC does not constitute a proper ECU. That is a piggy back that can only alter fuel trim. It can't even alter ignition timing, let alone the VTC cam timing. Just because of your VAFC, you won't be coming anywhere near the potential power gain of your mods. :)

A proper stanalone system like the Motec with all the add on modules to support the electronic throttle would come up to about $4k for just the ECU and tuning alone.


Yes I am running the china knockoff headers with a double-layered flex pipe.
Yes I run an inefficient piggyback ECU.

But you have missed the point aaronng. The point is, Hondata will deliver competitive pricing and performance against the biggest brand names.

I indicated that Hondata delivers good value in terms competitive pricing and performance even against the biggest names in the industry.
You indicated in this reply that it was not competitive...

"If you dig up the old thread, the I/H/E + hondata package was about 4k+. That was a long time ago. Not sure about the price now.

Hmm, Toda headers ($1400ish), K&N CAI ($400ish), BC catback ($1000), highflow cat ($400), ECU+tuning ($1000ish). No where near $3k man...."

and provided a list of premium aftermarket modifications that you claim came only to less than $3000 (with a questionable ECU solution+tuning coming at $1000). in actual fact, that list adds up to $4200.

In my post, I challenged you to find an aftermarket ECU solution for $1000. I also listed my mods to show that overall I have the biggest brand names on my car (bar the headers), and indicated the power output and cost is not as competitive as the HONDATA setup. Even if I did have a TODA header, that aftermarket setup would cost even more than a fully integrated Hondata system.

You cannot call this setup a competitive setup in price power output vs the Hondata setup, aaronng:

Motech ECU+tuning 4000ish+600ish tune
Buddyclub CBE 1000ish
K&N CAI 400ish
?higherflow? cat 400ish
Toda headers 1400ish

total cost: 7,800

[hengis]

?? so your just tuning with the vafc WITH the hondata ecu reflash or what?

I had a vafc before testing.
the flash makes the vafc obselete =P

[rhettzor]

Compared to other setups, the hondata kit appeals to me because all the components are designed to compliment each other. And from the sounds of it, the setup produces a surprisingly nice amount of output. With that in mind, the hondata kit represents great value for money, even if it does cost a little more than a DIY kit.

Sure, it hasn't been released yet, and yes it was supposed to be available "soon", but considering what is out there now for the Euro, i think its work the wait. :)

[r-r-redEuro]

T_T im so confused. hengis are you able to tell me if the hondata is cheaper then putting the whole I/H/E system ?

btw aaronng, are having the BC catback and highflow cat worthwhile? what exactly do they do, sorry for the noob question and for it being abit off topic. my apology.

[hengis]

T_T im so confused. hengis are you able to tell me if the hondata is cheaper then putting the whole I/H/E system ?

btw aaronng, are having the BC catback and highflow cat worthwhile? what exactly do they do, sorry for the noob question and for it being abit off topic. my apology.

If you are referring to whether a Hondata (aka Jtune) I/H/E system would cost more than a popular i/h/e combination (i.e buddyclub, greddy etc) than that would depend on the price/quality of the aftermarket system.
You will be able to compare them side by side once the products are released.

cheers

[mugen88]

T_T im so confused. hengis are you able to tell me if the hondata is cheaper then putting the whole I/H/E system ?

btw aaronng, are having the BC catback and highflow cat worthwhile? what exactly do they do, sorry for the noob question and for it being abit off topic. my apology.

Most Euro owners here who have done intake/header/ exhaust have done so because they did not want to wait or have waited a long time already for Hondata solution.

So is using brand name components for I/H/E cheaper than Hondata, only they can tell u this once it has been released to the public.

Having a high flow cat and any cat back exhaust system including BC will give a slight improvement but nothing neck breaking.

Regardless of what bolt on parts you have they will never really produce a significant result unless there is some form of ECU manipulation either piggy back, reflash or replacement.

The other part of the ECU saga is the capability/talent/experience of the person tunning your car to produce a result done properly a dyno.

A lot of tunning shops can install parts but there is not a lot of people who understand and have the experience of tuning K24's.

There are a couple of guys on this form who are working on different Euro ECU projects other than Hondata so lets hope we hear from a few others too.

But Hondata just keep waiting......:(

[yfin]

Even if the whole HONDATA setup was for 5k, I can tell you the power figures would be well worth that value.

I like how all the hondata prototype spies have come out of the woodwork... :D

I think $5k for all bolt ons etc to go a little faster in a straight line is not good value. I can't see the Euro pulling a sub 14 or something really special anytime soon without turbo / supercharger. My guess is it will pull a mid 14 or thereabouts and that is with everything i/h/e flash.

But I guess it depends on what people see as priorities - I see working on suspension, sway and bracing as better bang for buck.

Base reflash is the way to go I think for most people. That is where the value is. At least you can sell the car in that tune without stuffing around with future reflashes.

[tony1234]

I like how all the hondata prototype spies have come out of the woodwork... :D

I think $5k for all bolt ons etc to go a little faster in a straight line is not good value. I can't see the Euro pulling a sub 14 or something really special anytime soon without turbo / supercharger. My guess is it will pull a mid 14 or thereabouts and that is with everything i/h/e flash.

But I guess it depends on what people see as priorities - I see working on suspension, sway and bracing as better bang for buck.

Base reflash is the way to go I think for most people. That is where the value is. At least you can sell the car in that tune without stuffing around with future reflashes.
I agree.I was originally going to get the lot(I/H.E+reflash)but now i'm only going to get the reflash.1k for approx.18kw ATW is really good value but to get another 25 kw ATW(approx.)you've got to spend another 3.5k??:eek:This is working on the assumption that a stock man.Euro makes 110 kw ATW and a JTUNE Euro with I/H/E+reflash makes 155kw ATW!!

[Omotesando]

Somehow I dont think its possible to go from 110KW ATW to 155KW ATW on the Euro. Its not designed to be revved crazy and without doing higher RPMS it just wouldn't pull those sorts of power increases. Depends on the base dyno figures really..

You know what Australia needs? A 6 cylinder RWD vehicle with perfect chassis balance, really great fuel consumption, EPS/Traction Control, powers from naught to hundred in 6.5-7.0.

The closest I could think of is a Holden V6 but its got a crap chassis unfortunately.
EDIT: wouldnt say its crap but its not as great as its V8 brothers like the SS and R8s plus it aint sporty comfort enough.

If we could buy this car, who's going to bother upgrading the Euro... lol.

[mr747]

just hurry up now this has been forever

[aaronng]

Yes I am running the china knockoff headers with a double-layered flex pipe.
Yes I run an inefficient piggyback ECU.

But you have missed the point aaronng. The point is, Hondata will deliver competitive pricing and performance against the biggest brand names.

I indicated that Hondata delivers good value in terms competitive pricing and performance even against the biggest names in the industry.
You indicated in this reply that it was not competitive...

"If you dig up the old thread, the I/H/E + hondata package was about 4k+. That was a long time ago. Not sure about the price now.

Hmm, Toda headers ($1400ish), K&N CAI ($400ish), BC catback ($1000), highflow cat ($400), ECU+tuning ($1000ish). No where near $3k man...."

and provided a list of premium aftermarket modifications that you claim came only to less than $3000 (with a questionable ECU solution+tuning coming at $1000). in actual fact, that list adds up to $4200.

Read my post again. I was challenging r-r-redEuro's post:

lol id say about 3G ? hmm so the hondata would be cheaper.. how cheaper ? or is that the question everyone is asking ?
I was saying it was not as cheap as 3k and that it was over 4k. Why are you being so defensive all of a sudden? ;)



In my post, I challenged you to find an aftermarket ECU solution for $1000. I also listed my mods to show that overall I have the biggest brand names on my car (bar the headers), and indicated the power output and cost is not as competitive as the HONDATA setup. Even if I did have a TODA header, that aftermarket setup would cost even more than a fully integrated Hondata system.

You cannot call this setup a competitive setup in price power output vs the Hondata setup, aaronng:

Motech ECU+tuning 4000ish+600ish tune
Buddyclub CBE 1000ish
K&N CAI 400ish
?higherflow? cat 400ish
Toda headers 1400ish

total cost: 7,800
LOL, as I said, I was letting r-r-redEuro know the estimate price of good quality mods and that they were not as cheap as 3k. Why did you think that I listed the 4k motec as an example? To show that good mods are not cheap. I'm not saying that Hondata is expensive. I'm saying that it is in line with the pricing of the competition. :)

[r-r-redEuro]

lol thanks for that aaronng and hengis my minds clear on what i want to spend the bucks for KW at. both ways seem to be good just let me win the lotto next week, or get the links at the casino AHAH. cheers to you both.

[aaronng]

T_T im so confused. hengis are you able to tell me if the hondata is cheaper then putting the whole I/H/E system ?

btw aaronng, are having the BC catback and highflow cat worthwhile? what exactly do they do, sorry for the noob question and for it being abit off topic. my apology.
If you can wait, then wait til Hondata/Jtune releases the prices and details on their products. Decide then. From the early pics of the Jtune headers and exhaust, they looked really nice.

[ginganggooly]

This is working on the assumption that a stock man.Euro makes 110 kw ATW and a JTUNE Euro with I/H/E+reflash makes 155kw ATW!!

As far as I'm aware, they've been using a hub dyno. Did the car make 110kw at the hubs before tuning and 155kw after tuning??

I'd be interested to see before and after 1/4 mile times.

A bit of information overload in this thread... hehehe

[Unkie]

Haha It's more speculation overload, and information underload!

[Peekay34]

As far as I'm aware, they've been using a hub dyno. Did the car make 110kw at the hubs before tuning and 155kw after tuning??

I'd be interested to see before and after 1/4 mile times.

A bit of information overload in this thread... hehehe


Yes it was done on a Hub dyno before and after. BTW We are over the 155KW range now and have gained more power.

The other thing is to consider that 1/4 times can alter depending on suspension setup. My test car runs standard shocks so unfortunitly as the wheels chatter a little to much due to the massive increase in tourque and power on initial take off it affects the time. We have done a 1/4 mile test run last weekend in fact at Heathcote. The car did reach 100 mph in the 1/4 and it would have been faster if not for the traction issues.

[jooboo]

Wow that’s one very fast Euro !! 100mph in a 4 cylinder family car which is well over 1.5 tons, that’s one powerful Accord Euro, get the suspension sorted and a high 13 second pass will be very doable. I wish I had a Euro.

[yfin]

family car which is well over 1.5 tons

Nah - base euro is around 1390kg

[sodaz]

Nah - base euro is around 1390kg

Peekay34 has the Luxury version which i think is 1430kg (about the same as a Euro Std Auto).

Hey Peekay34, 155kw atw, is that with I/H/E and Hondata reflash?

[yfin]

Peekay34 has the Luxury version which i think is 1430kg (about the same as a Euro Std Auto).


exactly - so if Peekay can post a low to mid 14, for example, there is room for improvement in the base model :) BTW I have no idea what time the car has run but you can get a rough idea from the power and trap speed. Sounds like an engine torque damper and stiffer suspension would help too. Good to see you have your car back Peekay after being the test mule for so long.

[mr747]

this package is sounding better and better every day

[Peekay34]

Peekay34 has the Luxury version which i think is 1430kg (about the same as a Euro Std Auto).

Hey Peekay34, 155kw atw, is that with I/H/E and Hondata reflash?



I had the JTUNE Headers/Intake/Exhaust high flow cat and re-Flash. We could have cheated with stiffer suspension Torque damper and strut brace and also reducing the weight...by pulling seats and the like (which we didn't do)...but since I don't have any of these on the car except for lowered springs..... you could certainly do better times than we did... not that it was a slouch. Not quite back yet..also I have added weight..... Body kit as well and tissue box in the back seat....lol. BTW my sticker says 1550KG on rego sticker. Exact speed was 102 mph. But there is more information to follow.... Web site will be out soon .... James has just had a new baby (well his partner did...bit had to see him squeezing one out...unless you include JTUNE) which also delayed the process. Also some delay with his graphic designer...... JTUNE will be out very soon....

[yfin]

164kph!! haha This is hillarious. In stock form you are lucky to beat 145kph. We have gone for 3 years without anyone cracking a low 15 over the 1/4 and Peekay is going to get a mid 14 I just know it.... Awesome for a n/a 4 pot, 4 door sedan.

[jooboo]

I had the JTUNE Headers/Intake/Exhaust high flow cat and re-Flash. We could have cheated with stiffer suspension Torque damper and strut brace and also reducing the weight...by pulling seats and the like (which we didn't do)...but since I don't have any of these on the car except for lowered springs..... you could certainly do better times than we did... not that it was a slouch. Not quite back yet..also I have added weight..... Body kit as well and tissue box in the back seat....lol. BTW my sticker says 1550KG on rego sticker. Exact speed was 102 mph. But there is more information to follow.... Web site will be out soon .... James has just had a new baby (well his partner did...bit had to see him squeezing one out...unless you include JTUNE) which also delayed the process. Also some delay with his graphic designer...... JTUNE will be out very soon....

Awesome Awesome Awesome Awesome Awesome JTUNE, Peekay34 you have done VERY well.

[Pumped]

:)
.

[ginganggooly]

If a euro can crack a 13 without major internal work, I am going to keep the sucker and modify it rather than buy a new car.

I'm now watching this with interest :)

[rhettzor]

Thanks for the info Peekay. Its getting really exciting now!

[Chris_F]

102mph is great...

I'd love to see a euro with this engine package that weighs as much as the 5zigen CL7 race car (1050kg) :D

[ok2]

Does any one know if it now is available for 2006 and / or 2007 Euros ? (thought I read elsewhere it only was for cars up to 2005.

For me, I have a 2006 Standard Manual so that's what I need support for.

[BusterSonic12]

AWESOME 155kw+

but i will probably just get the reflash since i don't wanna part off my current mods. is the vafc still useful with the reflash because the ecu is not optimum with the stuff we have ourself, so can we use the vafc to make the reflash even better?

[aaronng]

I had the JTUNE Headers/Intake/Exhaust high flow cat and re-Flash. We could have cheated with stiffer suspension Torque damper and strut brace and also reducing the weight...by pulling seats and the like (which we didn't do)...but since I don't have any of these on the car except for lowered springs..... you could certainly do better times than we did... not that it was a slouch. Not quite back yet..also I have added weight..... Body kit as well and tissue box in the back seat....lol. BTW my sticker says 1550KG on rego sticker. Exact speed was 102 mph. But there is more information to follow.... Web site will be out soon .... James has just had a new baby (well his partner did...bit had to see him squeezing one out...unless you include JTUNE) which also delayed the process. Also some delay with his graphic designer...... JTUNE will be out very soon....

Nice. Remember, your headers and exhaust which are made from stainless steel would be MUCH lighter than stock, so you would get some nice weight reduction there.

[sodaz]

AWESOME 155kw+

but i will probably just get the reflash since i don't wanna part off my current mods. is the vafc still useful with the reflash because the ecu is not optimum with the stuff we have ourself, so can we use the vafc to make the reflash even better?

The reflash itself should boost the power of your existing mods (if it's like the US version of Hondata) but will probably render your VAFC useless.

[BusterSonic12]

The reflash itself should boost the power of your existing mods (if it's like the US version of Hondata) but will probably render your VAFC useless.

so i guess i can start selling my apex neo =)

[Omotesando]

Jesus if this mod really can push the Euro Accord to 102mph on the 0-400m then I take back what I said before....

That is a very significant difference and potential 13's time.

[yfin]

Jesus if this mod really can push the Euro Accord to 102mph on the 0-400m then I take back what I said before....

That is a very significant difference and potential 13's time.

Tough car to launch off the line though to get a 13. Even in stock form wheel hop is easy to induce with just 3000rpm. Imagine what Peekays car is like!

[aaronng]

That's why it needs a torque damper. :)

Using those calculators online, it's about 14.1 with 1390kg and 155kW atw. So to get 13.99, it's time to lose some weight.

[Omotesando]

Well regardless of the the calculator if it can do consistently 102mph's you'll be mixing it with the LS1s and LS2 holdens which do similar mphs.

Yes FWD is much harder to launch off line but if you're talking about overtaking power here... I've been overtaken by XR6Ts and SSs as if I'm not moving in stock form. Now we're talking about suddenly upping the game to their levels. Wouldn't want to know the torque steer effects though.

[yfin]

^^ that is true - trap speed is a good indicator of power to weight as it shows how well the car accelerates once it has traction. So rolling this is where you will see the best results.

I think you are selling the LS2 a bit short though- typically 170+kph at the trap is what they achieve.

[sodaz]

I'm very interested in 3rd gear 80-120km performance. That should be a good indicator of rolling acceleration.

[rhettzor]

Did everyone see the new posts in a few sections about the Euro on the hondata forums? Also noticed in James' sig "www.JTUNE.com.au - Coming VERY SOON". I checked out the JTUNE website but it doesn't return anything yet, hopefully something will come shortly :)

Check out the new posts:
ECU Re-Flashes
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=162

Cold Air Induction Systems
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=161

Headers & Exhaust Systems
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=160

Looks like manual and auto 03-07 models will get some HONDATA love :thumbsup:

[enkay]

wow, mayb its comin real soon! amazing =D

[BiLL|z0r]

Fingers crossed. Shame he can't spell (comming soon, lol, I hope not)

[BusterSonic12]

let's hope this time is serious =) i see they got the reflash for 06 auto WEEHOO~~~**!!!!! yayayaya

[tony1234]

How long is soon???I'll believe it when i see it.plus us 06-07 owners will have to wait another couple of mths. MORE after the 03-05 reflash is released.:thumbdwn:

[aaronng]

How long is soon???I'll believe it when i see it.plus us 06-07 owners will have to wait another couple of mths. MORE after the 03-05 reflash is released.:thumbdwn:

From their forum thread, it seems they are preparing reflashes for 03-07 so that all of them are available when they are released.

[tony1234]

From their forum thread, it seems they are preparing reflashes for 03-07 so that all of them are available when they are released.
I hope you're right Aaron but from my understanding when i spoke to James approx.i mth.ago reflashes for 03-05 will be released 1st.then approx.2 mths.after 06-07 reflash.:confused:

[Suntzu]

These gains all the way to 155kw seem a LOT better than the USA hondata! Ive read a few dozen threads on theirs at the relevant tsx forums and they seem to be getting modest 20kw increases. Wonder why we seem to be doing a lot better...?

[yfin]

These gains all the way to 155kw seem a LOT better than the USA hondata! Ive read a few dozen threads on theirs at the relevant tsx forums and they seem to be getting modest 20kw increases. Wonder why we seem to be doing a lot better...?

In the USA they only have 1 flash and it is designed to suit unmodified CL9s. I think you will find something similar here - the junior burgerbasic flash will be ho-hum in outright gains (but you will get a different power delivery like the USA). So it will be an improvement but the car is likely to still run 15s over the 1/4.

The full Big Mac in Oz to get the 155+kw at the hub requires all the jtune bolt ons, intake, header, zorst, high flow cat, flash. That is why it is going to require quite a bit of money spent up front.

[adammet04]

cool we are using analogies again in this thread ! lol..

I hope they can start giving us some real details soon about these packages..

[yfin]

I hope they can start giving us some real details soon about these packages..

At least they are not committing to dates anymore.

[tony1234]

At least they are not committing to dates anymore.
So.We wait and wait and wait.:thumbdwn:

[Omotesando]

Does anyone know when is the new Euro coming out? The completely new one I presume not face-lifted one.

I lost track, not a very loyal Honda customer as yet.

[yfin]

Does anyone know when is the new Euro coming out? The completely new one I presume not face-lifted one.

I lost track, not a very loyal Honda customer as yet.

Hard to say exactly - some say 2008, some say 2009. I think we will get a good idea when the 2008 model is released in Japan.

[Omotesando]

Cool. I'm really weighing up my options now to be honest.

Might be time to sell the Euro but not sure. Part of it to do with Hondata I guess.

[EuroAccord13]

Met up with Peekay for lunch this week and it's all in good order so you'll see the release pretty soon....

[johnprocter]

lol like we have heard that one before

[Peekay34]

Web release in approx 3 weeks or less.... If there are no delays.

[Suntzu]

Actually they have released another video verifying these gains on a dyno yesterday. See here
Im getting keen again on this actually if it really does show up in a month.

[Pumped]

:) sweet, lets hope this is it :-)

[Pumped]

Actually they have released another video verifying these gains on a dyno yesterday. See here h (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0):)


ROFL WTF, GG

[BusterSonic12]

Web release in approx 3 weeks or less.... If there are no delays.

that's good news~!! fkn hell, my hsc trials in 3weeks :mad:

[BiLL|z0r]

[quote=Suntzu;1276338]Actually they have released another video verifying these gains on a dyno yesterday. See here

LOL, you're a tool. Gimme back 3 seonds of my life.

[Omotesando]

Ditto that.

[EuroAccord13]

Just a reminder that this is a SPAM FREE thread....

[tony1234]

I'll believe it when i see the group buy posted on his site with exact pricing and firm delivery dates.:zip:

[^__^ SM ^__^]

Hi. Sorry for hijacking this thread.

Today while at the dealer, a service tech told me that he had a euro come in that was heavily modded to give 184kW AT THE WHEEL!

Can the Hondata gear give this kind of gains?

[yfin]

Hi. Sorry for hijacking this thread.

Today while at the dealer, a service tech told me that he had a euro come in that was heavily modded to give 184kW AT THE WHEEL!

Can the Hondata gear give this kind of gains?

Unlikely unless it has forced induction.

[mr747]

i find that hard to believe

maybe at the flywheel

[Peekay34]

Hi. Sorry for hijacking this thread.

Today while at the dealer, a service tech told me that he had a euro come in that was heavily modded to give 184kW AT THE WHEEL!

Can the Hondata gear give this kind of gains?

Was it Essendon Honda BTW????

[BusterSonic12]

Was it Essendon Honda BTW????

don't tell me it was your euro hahaha

[^__^ SM ^__^]

Woahhh... I have a SPY!! ;) Is it your car Peeekay

[E-Gene]

Haha, it probably was Peekay's.

[Suntzu]

Looks like a release may be soon. Im getting hopeful again. Hope its for real this time.

[tony1234]

Don't hold your breath.How many times has the release date been pushed forward???:(

[yfin]

Haha, it probably was Peekay's.

184kw at the hubs would be fantastic - that is like 170kw at the wheels. More than a Mazda 3MPS.

Just not sure whether the Euro has the ability to put that power to the ground in the lower gears.

[mr747]

if this package has that much power i will pay for it now

[r-r-redEuro]

dont think so, look at peekays mods its HEAVY modded.

[E-Gene]

dont think so, look at peekays mods its HEAVY modded.

How is his car heavily modded? All it really has in terms of performace mods is the Hondata package of I/H/E + reflash.

[badthing]

i smell cams

[mugen88]

To get that power to the ground effectively and make it work its gonna need a LSD.

[Omotesando]

Does installing the DC5 LSD still work with the oem Traction Control?
Have no idea haven't checked.

Funny thing is there are so many FWD hot hatches coming out with no LSDs lately but they still stick to the curves like crazy. Probably not enough torque, unlike the Mazda 3 MPS which even an LSD and good traction control can't tame the beast.

[aaronng]

Does installing the DC5 LSD still work with the oem Traction Control?
Have no idea haven't checked.

Yes it works.

[Peekay34]

Hi. Sorry for hijacking this thread.

Today while at the dealer, a service tech told me that he had a euro come in that was heavily modded to give 184kW AT THE WHEEL!

Can the Hondata gear give this kind of gains?

If it was at Essendon then they have misquoted the figure........typical......

Figures is more like at that time 154KW but now 160KW...since then

[Omotesando]

Yes it works.

Is it a really easy enough Bang for your Buck mod? :o

[aaronng]

Is it a really easy enough Bang for your Buck mod? :o

It's a good mod, but not bang for your buck because you have to take the gearbox off, and open it up to replace the diff. Labour cost-wise, it's probably higher than replacing your clutch and flywheel.

[tron07]

160kw atw is good too

[Bryce]

160kw atw is good too

get a firestone already :mad:

[Pumped]

Is he talking about an Evolution?

[Suntzu]

.dont make me Rick_Roll you guys again! :p

Im seriously asking the question: Does anyone here really have a proper definative clue what is happening with this Hondata situation? Or is all this talk 100% speculation based on its current vapourware status?

And if so can anyone comment on a real release date?

[tony1234]

.dont make me Rick_Roll you guys again! :p

Im seriously asking the question: Does anyone here really have a proper definative clue what is happening with this Hondata situation? Or is all this talk 100% speculation based on its current vapourware status?

And if so can anyone comment on a real release date?

That's the problem nobody knows.:thumbdwn:

[mr747]

i want to purchase this whole product

[BusterSonic12]

i so think all this is a prank on us hahahaha

[r-r-redEuro]

a prank that went on for 2 years? that would be fcuking harsh. =) id like to buy this product too no doubt on the spot. i just need a intake and header :( and then ka-bam! 160kw atw!

[EUR003act]

Hey guys, just got off the phone to James from HondaTech,

Release date for their extreme package is only a week or two away. Includes intake, headers, exhaust and reflash, makes 158kw ath... group buy is only $3999 so im thinking thats where im going...

Update, and that power is basically constant from 5000rpm all the way to 7200... and there will be an ultimate cam upgrade available after that which will be looking at pushing an extra 15kw out!

Theyre releasing it for MT 2003-2005 euros first, then in the AT, and then MT 2006-2007

[destrukshn]

****, that's decent aye

[EuroAccord13]

158 Kws @ the hub since it's tuned on a hub dyno..... :D

Will be interesting to see what it makes at the wheels... :D

[destrukshn]

oh, so not atw
lol
boooooo.
lol.

[yfin]

check whether that price includes installation.. and I like how we are now waiting for a release date of the release date!

[EUR003act]

lol oops sorry i was just so excited, i meant it gets released in a week or two...

[r-r-redEuro]

so what about the 06- 07 autos :(

[EUR003act]

they miss out... :p

lol nah i think theyre going to do it for them aswell, might be abit more of a wait though :(

[r-r-redEuro]

T_T no way.. so about say 2 - 3 weeks for its release date for the 03 - 05 and a little wait for the autos and so on ? = ="

[johnprocter]

haha we've heard this one b4 :P

[aaronng]

T_T no way.. so about say 2 - 3 weeks for its release date for the 03 - 05 and a little wait for the autos and so on ? = ="

That's because the 03-05 guys have been waiting for over 2 years.

[mr747]

i want this package

[Suntzu]

Hmm dunno lets see. $4000 a a lot of money to drop sight unseen with no actual user comments/community feedback. Think i ll wait till you guys get it. The see what the real world response is....

[aaronng]

Hmm dunno lets see. $4000 a a lot of money to drop sight unseen with no actual user comments/community feedback. Think i ll wait till you guys get it. The see what the real world response is....
Peekay had it on his car.

[Gibbo]

what about a discount for all the people who have been patiently wating and dont want the full package ?? - We will probably get stiffed (even more than we have been already...) Lets wait and see.

[r-r-redEuro]

That's because the 03-05 guys have been waiting for over 2 years.

fair enough i guess thats true but do you reckon that the wait for people like me would be as long ? or is it just still a puzzle to everyone as well =/

[EUR003act]

As aaronng said, its been in design and testing for over two years now, as soon as they release it theyll be pictures, dyno results, both before and after, videos, etc on the jtune website.

As for the not wanting the entire system, you can get just a standard reflash (which will give approx 10kw gain throughout the rev range) for $990. Headers will be around the $1350 mark, but can only be used with the jtune exhaust because of its custom length (exhaust around $1800). It uses a 3" system, with dual tips and 4 mufflers. The extreme reflash is only available with the complete package, as its tuned for the jtune intake and exhaust manifold.

After the group buy period the complete price will go up to around $4600, so you are getting a discount for waiting so long.

[350G]

wtf 4 mufflers.......

[EUR003act]

wtf 4 mufflers.......

The euro was designed as a business man kinda stylish car, not a boy racer like wrx or s15... the exhaust was designed with this in mind, its meant to be pretty quiet below 3000rpm, and theres meant to be no drone while cruising... ill wait till i hear the videos before making my mind up thou

[Suntzu]

Thats what im saying. Im not jumping in sight unseen not matter what the "percieved" discount is. You get a discount for jumping in blind after a 2+ year wait? Not my idea of a sales pitch...

As for saying its aready been released and used for 2 years thats a load of BS as they are under NDA's obviously and cant give real comments and definative answers about long term usage. So for all intensive purposes its unreleased and untested.

Im probably going to get it I just dont have blind faith to guide me.

[EUR003act]

Im thinking of just going TODA headers and standard ecu reflash... only costs $2500 and should give me an extra 20kw atw...

[aaronng]

wtf 4 mufflers.......

It doesn't have 4 mufflers. It has 2 mufflers and 2 hotdog resonators. That's still louder than stock.

[BusterSonic12]

158 Kws @ the hub since it's tuned on a hub dyno..... :D

Will be interesting to see what it makes at the wheels... :D

so 158kw isn't at the wheel? is that what u mean??

i m only interested in the reflash itself

[Joel The Mole]

nah not at the wheels, at the hubs, they take the wheels off and attach the dyno to the hubs.

[tony1234]

so 158kw isn't at the wheel? is that what u mean??

i m only interested in the reflash itself
I thought 158kw was ATW not at the hubs.Thought it was too good to be true.Does anyone know how much approx.kw ATW?

[aaronng]

Im thinking of just going TODA headers and standard ecu reflash... only costs $2500 and should give me an extra 20kw atw...
That's $125 per kW. The Jtune package comes out to about $83 per kW.

[tony1234]

I wonder how long us 06-07 owners are going to have to wait?:(

[E-Gene]

Im thinking of just going TODA headers and standard ecu reflash... only costs $2500 and should give me an extra 20kw atw...

My thoughts exactly. That's my plan too.

[EUR003act]

That's $125 per kW. The Jtune package comes out to about $83 per kW.

lol but i already have 130.9kw atw... using custom exhaust and k&n CAI... so $2500 to get me to 150kw or $4000 to get me to 158kw...

as far as im aware at the hubs and at the wheels is basically the exact same thing, at the hubs is just alot more accurate... so the kit should see you at about 158kw atw

[sodaz]

I read somewhere that hub dynos give higher readings than roller dynos. Guess we'll see when it's released.

[BusterSonic12]

I read somewhere that hub dynos give higher readings than roller dynos. Guess we'll see when it's released.

from what i know yes. The hub gives higher reader :thumbsup:

[aaronng]

lol but i already have 130.9kw atw... using custom exhaust and k&n CAI... so $2500 to get me to 150kw or $4000 to get me to 158kw...

as far as im aware at the hubs and at the wheels is basically the exact same thing, at the hubs is just alot more accurate... so the kit should see you at about 158kw atw

You can't compare readings from different brands of dynos, let alone different types of dynos. A better way is to see what was Jtune's dyno of a stock Euro and compare the difference with the 158kW reading.

A hub dyno usually reads about 5% higher than a dyno dynamics rolling road dyno.

[yfin]

After the group buy period the complete price will go up to around $4600, so you are getting a discount for waiting so long.

If that price is right it could be around $5000 installed. Good luck to them if they can get people paying that sort of money.



A hub dyno usually reads about 5% higher than a dyno dynamics rolling road dyno.

You are right about different dynos - these hub dynos can be up to 10% higher than at the wheels (my understanding).

Either way it doesnt really matter - the on road behaviour is what counts and if Peekay pulled a low 14s 1/4 that shows the performance right there.

[ALN]

Dyna pack or hub dyno reads about 10% higher than typical dyno jet. Hub dyno close to flywheel HP. 1/4 mile can shows it or use the same dyno on the same day.

[yfin]

as far as im aware at the hubs and at the wheels is basically the exact same thing, at the hubs is just alot more accurate... so the kit should see you at about 158kw atw

Definately not - I have asked James that question 6 months ago and he said up to 10% difference at the wheels.

But really peak numbers are bulltish. It is insignificant. What you really need to look at is the before and after graph. Look at the percentage differences at points on the curve. That is where this package proves itself - not in peak numbers.

[Zdster]

Can someone explain to me why there is so much excitment over a 'reflash'? Essentially all you are doing is applying a 'generic' (if somewhat modified map) to a modified, individual car. As far as I can tell you would be much better having an individual tune done that relates directly to the specific car than having a standardised branded product.

[aaronng]

Can someone explain to me why there is so much excitment over a 'reflash'? Essentially all you are doing is applying a 'generic' (if somewhat modified map) to a modified, individual car. As far as I can tell you would be much better having an individual tune done that relates directly to the specific car than having a standardised branded product.

Because this is the only economical way to have a custom tune without relying on an interceptor. The Kpro does not yet work with the Euro.

[Zdster]

Because this is the only economical way to have a custom tune without relying on an interceptor. The Kpro does not yet work with the Euro.

IMHO, I wouldnt be jumping on board on any 'reflash' and would much prefer to wait until an economical option comes on the market.

[aaronng]

IMHO, I wouldnt be jumping on board on any 'reflash' and would much prefer to wait until an economical option comes on the market.

It's been 4 years already. Hondata still hasn't released a Kpro that supports an electronic throttle. At least you also get I/H/E and a high-flow cat for your $4000. Most people aren't ready to spend $4000 just for a Motec with the electronic throttle add-on and tuning.

[EUR003act]

It's been 4 years already. Hondata still hasn't released a Kpro that supports an electronic throttle. At least you also get I/H/E and a high-flow cat for your $4000. Most people aren't ready to spend $4000 just for a Motec with the electronic throttle add-on and tuning.

if you look at it like this:
Cold Air Intake $400
Headers $1500
3" Exhaust $1600
High Flow Cat $200

Total $3700...

So yes, i think $4000 for all that and reflash is good price :D

[yfin]

if you look at it like this:
Cold Air Intake $400
Headers $1500
3" Exhaust $1600
High Flow Cat $200

Total $3700...

So yes, i think $4000 for all that and reflash is good price :D

Keep in mind this does not have the branding of a large manufacturer - yet those individual parts are at or above the price of top JDM/US brand products like Injen, Toda, etc.

Now one might reasonably ask why they took this approach (ie Jtune equipment must be used rather than selecting the best of what was already in the market)? Is it because they have outsmarted all the JDM aftermarket manufacturers of intake, header, exhausts? Or is it because this is a good business idea to package the reflash with mandatory Jtune parts? Think about it.

I am not saying the quality is not going to be good, it will be, but you can`t say the pricing of the parts is cheap.

[EUR003act]

i based prices on K&N CAI, TODA headers, Greddy Exhaust, and Skunk cat...

[EuroAccord13]

as far as im aware at the hubs and at the wheels is basically the exact same thing, at the hubs is just alot more accurate... so the kit should see you at about 158kw atw


Power at the hub and wheels are different, something that many people don't take note of...

[N3M3SIS]

Hey, just readin this Thread,

i Had the Jtune Header's & Exhaust on my 06 Euro for about 3 - 4 days
and i gotta say, its much louder than standard, but its not blasting, sounds quite good actually, and i was using the R&D system, the finished product will be more refined, also the look of the pipes is really good, they have just improved on the standard design. from what i understand its not the power gains that's important here, its the way the tune will release the power through the rev range, but we'll just have to wait and see when its released.

[aaronng]

Keep in mind this does not have the branding of a large manufacturer - yet those individual parts are at or above the price of top JDM/US brand products like Injen, Toda, etc.

Now one might reasonably ask why they took this approach (ie Jtune equipment must be used rather than selecting the best of what was already in the market)? Is it because they have outsmarted all the JDM aftermarket manufacturers of intake, header, exhausts? Or is it because this is a good business idea to package the reflash with mandatory Jtune parts? Think about it.

I am not saying the quality is not going to be good, it will be, but you can`t say the pricing of the parts is cheap.

Brand does not make the part good though. Look at DC Sport and Comptech. The DC Sport is a cheap mild steel header miserably coated to prevent rusting with a dodgy flex pipe, while the more expensive Comptech header doesn't have extra gains over the DC Sports.

Injen on the other hand took the shortcut approach with their CAI and used the dimensions of their RSX-S CAI to manufacture the RD CAI for the TSX. The IAT port was on the wrong side and the diameter was not tuned and caused a loss of low RPM torque. The newer SP CAI fixed these problems.

At least Toda has better quality parts with proven gains, but you'd expect them to because you are paying a premium over other brands and that they are a racing parts manufacturer unlike DC Sports, Comptech and Injen, which sell sports parts instead. JDM is not the best as well, as there are parts that are substandard, like Cusco's rollcages. :)

With regards to their decision to sell the full blown reflash only with their own designed I/H/E and cat is good tuning sense. Using the same reflash with off the shelf aftermarket parts is asking for trouble because the reflash is "generic". Proper tuning is different for each individual car, even if they have the same parts. Since the only choice for us is a reflash, I wouldn't want to use an aggressive tune with parts that have not been tested together with.

[yfin]

Of course there is lots of variance in quality in the market but some of the examples you are using are bottom end cheap. DC Sports is like $295US, and even the Comptech is around $500US. Compare that to Jtune at over $1200AUD for headers. I would expect top notch quailty at those sorts of prices.

If they wanted an agressive tune they could have picked the best parts already in the market and tested them all they please. That might have shaved a good 12 months of the waiting time. Then for people not using those parts sell a generic flash - like they are doing anyway.

[E-Gene]

So Aaron, are you saying that just doing the "reflash" using aftermarket parts will not show any gains?

[EUR003act]

from speaking to james, not all the power gains are in the retune, the intake is the only CAI on the market that has the pod facing forward, so the air is actually forced into the engine. also, the headers need their jtune exhaust because of the extra length. the 4 pipes which come straight off the manifold dont join together until well after the stock position. as aaronng said, the aggresive retune is only available with their full package, because thats what it is tuned to. on any other exhaust or intake the lack of air coming in or an increase in pack pressure might be dangerous to the engine. i dont by things for the name brand, i buy them for the quality, and in my opinion, something that has been in the making for 2 years solely dedicated to the Euro is a winner in my book, not just alot of high end items bolted together and slapped on.

but as i said earlier, because i already have the K&N intake and custom exhaust, im thinking i might just get TODA headers and reflash...

[EUR003act]

So Aaron, are you saying that just doing the "reflash" using aftermarket parts will not show any gains?

just to make it clear, Jtune will be doing two different reflash's for the Euro, the standard (which will give approx 10kw gain) and the extreme. the extreme is only available with the full intake/exhaust system. i think aaronng was saying that you cant get the extreme reflash with other after market products, which is correct.

[yfin]

but as i said earlier, because i already have the K&N intake and custom exhaust, im thinking i might just get TODA headers and reflash...

That combination will still be nice.


just to make it clear, Jtune will be doing two different reflash's for the Euro, the standard (which will give approx 10kw gain) and the extreme. the extreme is only available with the full intake/exhaust system. i think aaronng was saying that you cant get the extreme reflash with other after market products, which is correct.

Ahh, I see - so a base flash and a flash with all Jtune bolt ons. At one point on their web site they said there would be a one-up flash from the base - for a modified car with aftermarket intake, header, etc. Is that not happening now?

[aaronng]

Of course there is lots of variance in quality in the market but some of the examples you are using are bottom end cheap. DC Sports is like $295US, and even the Comptech is around $500US. Compare that to Jtune at over $1200AUD for headers. I would expect top notch quailty at those sorts of prices.

If they wanted an agressive tune they could have picked the best parts already in the market and tested them all they please. That might have shaved a good 12 months of the waiting time. Then for people not using those parts sell a generic flash - like they are doing anyway.
You didn't add the shipping cost of the USA headers as well. Since they have delayed the release many times because of rejecting the header samples that they received, I sure do hope that their headers are top notch. From the early pictures of the headers, it looks like racing headers (like the Toda), so the gains should already be better than the off the shelf brands like Comptech. There is nothing wrong with custom designing your own headers. Just because there are branded headers out there, doesn't mean that they are the best.

The thing is, the sum of all the best parts doesn't usually equate to the best result, at least with regards to car tuning. Instead of going for the best parts in the market, the better way would be to go for parts that complement each other. That is not easy to do unless you design your own parts to work with each other. :)

[aaronng]

So Aaron, are you saying that just doing the "reflash" using aftermarket parts will not show any gains?

As EUR003act said, there are 2 levels of reflash. The first is a "mild" tune, while the second is an aggressive all-out tune. The mild tune with the best parts won't make as much power as the aggressive tune with its package of parts. If you could get your hands on the aggressive tune, using it with aftermarket parts will probably risk damage to the engine.

[Drew]

After the group buy period the complete price will go up to around $4600, so you are getting a discount for waiting so long.

Drop another fifteen hundred onto that; send your motor overseas; resleeve and boost... 400kw all day long
Sounds like a whole lot of cash for a such a small gain

[yfin]

The thing is, the sum of all the best parts doesn't usually equate to the best result, at least with regards to car tuning. Instead of going for the best parts in the market, the better way would be to go for parts that complement each other. That is not easy to do unless you design your own parts to work with each other. :)

That is fair enough, good point.


Drop another fifteen hundred onto that; send your motor overseas; resleeve and boost... 400kw all day long
Sounds like a whole lot of cash for a such a small gain

You can boost a K24 including a tunable ECU that retains DBW, factory cruise, etc for $6100? Sounds too cheap and I think lots of people would have gone down this path if it was that sort of money.

If the quality is there $4000 for everything installed would be good. Wait and see.

[N3M3SIS]

I've seen the Jtune Header's Up Close, and they look amazing,
and with the Headers & Echaust bolted onto my car (minus Tune & CAI) it made a nice gain, and the drive was also improved, so i can't wait to see whats its like with the CAI & Tune as well.

[aaronng]

Drop another fifteen hundred onto that; send your motor overseas; resleeve and boost... 400kw all day long
Sounds like a whole lot of cash for a such a small gain
Yup, we just need that damn electronic throttle-Kpro! Come on Hondata, release it already!!!!!

[Chris_F]

I agree - I'm not swapping my current bolt ons for anything and an affordable tuneable ecu would be great

[Suntzu]

Yeah. Im also tempted to pick my bolt ons and get the Haltech interceptor which is now euro compatible according to their website.

[aaronng]

Yeah. Im also tempted to pick my bolt ons and get the Haltech interceptor which is now euro compatible according to their website.

There are quite a few interceptors in the market that support the Euro. But then again, the reason why we want the reflash/aftermarket ECU is to avoid the use of interceptors since the stock ECU will slightly alter fuel trim, and thus slightly alter your tuning. It's fine for a street tune, but when you are extracting every last kW out of your engine using 98RON, fuel trim changes can result in pinging if the stock ECU deems that the engine is running too rich (which at high RPM, highcam and advanced valve timing is usually the case).

[tony1234]

That is fair enough, good point.



You can boost a K24 including a tunable ECU that retains DBW, factory cruise, etc for $6100? Sounds too cheap and I think lots of people would have gone down this path if it was that sort of money.

If the quality is there $4000 for everything installed would be good. Wait and see.
I think it's $4000 supply only,can anyone confirm this?Cause if it's $4000 installed i'm definitely in.

[EUR003act]

From memory James said its another $500 for full install of the extreme package, that includes dyno before and after.

someone asked whether theyll do an aggresive tune for other aftermarket parts, in regards to this i dont think theyre planning on doing a third generic flash (for aftermarket parts). but im sure they could do a custom tune to suit your setup...

and people wanting to go turbo, anyone can slap on a turbo, increase the boost and get big power, but wheres the fun in that? id much rather a powerful and custom N/A car that people go "shit what have you got under you bonnet!" when you smash past their evo8 :p

**on WSID ofcoure**

[yfin]

when you smash past their evo8 :p

Time to wake up from your dream :)

[EUR003act]

Drop another fifteen hundred onto that; send your motor overseas; resleeve and boost... 400kw all day long
Sounds like a whole lot of cash for a such a small gain

my mate spent 5k turbo'n his celica, and he only pulls 120 at the wheels... his mate owns a supra that pulled 406kw, he spent $27k... i think ill stick to my $4k

[E-Gene]

Time to wake up from your dream :)

Well, if the Evo8 is stationary...

[EUR003act]

Time to wake up from your dream :)

lol evo8 = 210 at the fly/180 at the wheels

K24 with jtune extreme, toda F spec cams and springs, RC 650 injectors, quad throttle body, borred out to 2.6l, with high 13.5:1 compression, maybe even stroker kit, easy putting down 200kw at the wheels

[yfin]

K24 with jtune extreme, toda F spec cams and springs, RC 650 injectors, quad throttle body, borred out to 2.6l, with high 13.5:1 compression, maybe even stroker kit, easy putting down 200kw at the wheels

You dont need to convince me of the potential of the K24. I just think it is a little premature to be talking about beating EVO8s

[EUR003act]

You dont need to convince me of the potential of the K24. I just think it is a little premature to be talking about beating EVO8s

but it helps me sleep at night :p

[snYpz]

With all that power, wouldnt there be alot of wheel spin at take off just like the big v8's? Or does that only occur with rwd lol

but anyways, evo's and rexxies alike have good traction and can put power down easily on all fours. IMO just keep the mods nice and simple on the euro...

[EUR003act]

With all that power, wouldnt there be alot of wheel spin at take off just like the big v8's? Or does that only occur with rwd lol

but anyways, evo's and rexxies alike have good traction and can put power down easily on all fours. IMO just keep the mods nice and simple on the euro...

lol youd probably have traction by the time you reach 1/4 mile :p

[snYpz]

lol youd probably have traction by the time you reach 1/4 mile :p

hahahaah....yeh true that :thumbsup:
the euro will be like a v8 holden in a lil honda shell lol

[aaronng]

lol evo8 = 210 at the fly/180 at the wheels

K24 with jtune extreme, toda F spec cams and springs, RC 650 injectors, quad throttle body, borred out to 2.6l, with high 13.5:1 compression, maybe even stroker kit, easy putting down 200kw at the wheels

Everbody and their auntie's EVO8 aren't running stock boost. :) Without spending 4k, they can put more than 200kW at the wheels.

BTW, with injectors, quad throttle, boring/stroking and higher compression, you need a standalone ECU. You can't use interceptors nor the JTune reflash.

[ALN]

my mate spent 5k turbo'n his celica, and he only pulls 120 at the wheels... his mate owns a supra that pulled 406kw, he spent $27k... i think ill stick to my $4k

well modify is not just about getting the dyno numbers though. That might be just like dyno queen, lol.

Modify is about passion, mate. A lot of people don't care about the numbers. They just enjoy modify their car. 210 kw at the crank evo8 might just get 140 kw atw on roller dyno.
I have seen numbers of DC5 got better 1/4 mile time than stock evo which still running N/A bolt on + tuning. For sure a lot of Euros' owner will do the same if only reliable ecu tuning options is available at the market.

[pornstar]

lol but i already have 130.9kw atw... using custom exhaust and k&n CAI... so $2500 to get me to 150kw or $4000 to get me to 158kw...

as far as im aware at the hubs and at the wheels is basically the exact same thing, at the hubs is just alot more accurate... so the kit should see you at about 158kw atw

you have 130.9kws? what mph do you trap at?

[BusterSonic12]

lol but i already have 130.9kw atw... using custom exhaust and k&n CAI... so $2500 to get me to 150kw or $4000 to get me to 158kw...

as far as im aware at the hubs and at the wheels is basically the exact same thing, at the hubs is just alot more accurate... so the kit should see you at about 158kw atw

you have 130.9kws? what mph do you trap at?

you the number with the euro1? did anyone on OH actually tried this?? is it the euro1 tuning making 150kw u saying?

[ginganggooly]

The euro1 ecu is a very complete solution and is hugely more customisable and therefore more flexible and future proof than the reflash.

you're comparing something that can be tailored to your car and it's particular configuration, to something that has been tuned by someone that you don't know, that doesn't know you, doesn't know your setup and is essentially guessing what will work...

[Zdster]

you're comparing something that can be tailored to your car and it's particular configuration, to something that has been tuned by someone that you don't know, that doesn't know you, doesn't know your setup and is essentially guessing what will work...

Its even more fundemental than that. The 'reflash' is a standardised product with limited engine parametres than say the stock ecu. If your particular engine falls outside of those parametres your $500 investment was not particularly wise.

[sodaz]

lol evo8 = 210 at the fly/180 at the wheels

K24 with jtune extreme, toda F spec cams and springs, RC 650 injectors, quad throttle body, borred out to 2.6l, with high 13.5:1 compression, maybe even stroker kit, easy putting down 200kw at the wheels

And how much will you need to spend? The Evo's greatest strength is not straight line grunt. That thing absolutely flies around corners and handles beautifully.

[mleung]

BTW - I spoke to James about 2 1/2 weeks ago and he said it'll be released 1-2 weeks, still no sign of it and $3999 wasn't installed. Apparently a few Honda dealers would be selling/installing it as well... a testament to the qualility of product.

But spending $3999.00 without more information is hard to justify.

I don't think we can really compare two essentially different cars (EVO and EURO).

The EVO is a stripped out car designed from the onset as a track car. While our EURO is a sporty family car(ok ok maybe I shouldn't use family).

For me it's not about trying to get as much power possible. But just to extract the most potential from the chassis. If I was to bolt on a turbo and boost the power of the EURO to beyond 250KW get the custom tune etc.. costing say $6000.00. I still need to consider complete coilovers, new brakes, strut bars, tower bars which would end up costing another $3500.00 just to manage the power... You also end up losing the point of the EURO in the first place... being a great and luxary car with great handling... if you want to go to that extreme you might as well buy the EVO....

For me making the car more driveable is more important and it seems to me the jTune product is taking the right approach. Not too agressive, still quite, good fuel economy, more torque where the EURO needs. Not too much power too make the car hard to live with on a daily basis. If I needed a car to drive to work everyday and go for a nice curise or drive on the weekends... this would be a good way too go... and it seems like a gower figure which won't overpower the stock chassis. At the end of the day I still want to fit my family in the car without shattering any bones on our dodgy australian roads.

Just my thoughts.

Mike.

[Zdster]

Apparently a few Honda dealers would be selling/installing it as well... a testament to the qualility of product.


I am very curious about this statement. Do you mean to say that some Honda dealerships will be selling/installing these aftermarket parts? I find this highly dubious considering:
1. the cost to the consumer
2. the potential impact on warranties and furthermore liabilities to the dealership.

Like you I am still waiting for the release of the product let alone the promise that dealerships will be selling and installing these parts. It does make you wonder however why the release date has continued to be pushed back further and further.

[mleung]

Getting the Honda dealers to buy in to the idea could be a possible reason for the delay...... as usual...... who knows.....

Until the bloody thing actually gets released.... who is to say what.

Mike

[Zdster]

Getting the Honda dealers to buy in to the idea could be a possible reason for the delay...... as usual...... who knows.....

Until the bloody thing actually gets released.... who is to say what.

Mike

Point noted, but I still find it a little hard to believe that dealers would take it on. Consider the fact that dealers wont even sell bodykits or parts from major international affiliated companies (like mugen for Honda or Nismo for Nissan) I just personally dont see it happening.

[tony1234]

I am very curious about this statement. Do you mean to say that some Honda dealerships will be selling/installing these aftermarket parts? I find this highly dubious considering:
1. the cost to the consumer
2. the potential impact on warranties and furthermore liabilities to the dealership.

Like you I am still waiting for the release of the product let alone the promise that dealerships will be selling and installing these parts. It does make you wonder however why the release date has continued to be pushed back further and further.
I know for a fact one Honda dealer that is going to run with the JTUNE gear as James has seen them.They service Subarus as well inc.STIs and they have a dyno.They are in the southern suburbs of Sydney.I don't think it's my place to name the dealer.:zip:

[Zdster]

I know for a fact one Honda dealer that is going to run with the JTUNE gear as James has seen them.They service Subarus as well inc.STIs and they have a dyno.They are in the southern suburbs of Sydney.I don't think it's my place to name the dealer.:zip:

No need to name them, but are we talking about a Honda dealership or a service centre?

[tony1234]

No need to name them, but are we talking about a Honda dealership or a service centre?
They are a multi brand dealership,sales,new and used and service including Honda of course.

[tony1234]

Meanwhile......we wait.....and wait......for the release date.:thumbdwn:

[yfin]

It is one thing for a Honda dealer to offer an aftermarket product as an agent (eg aftermarket tinting, rims, paint protection etc) but to actually honour the warranty if there is a defect caused by the aftermarket product is another thing.

That said, in the USA some Acura dealers were honouring factory warranty on Comptech aftermarket headers, intake, exhausts that were installed by an Acura dealer. So it is not unheard of.

In this case it would seem strange, however, for a dealer to honour warranty on the engine, drivetrain, etc for a Euro with modified ECU pushing out around 140kw+ at the wheels. This is particularly the case when such modifications have not been subject to Honda's strict factory testing (extreme stress, heat, cold to replicate harsh conditions and how the vehicle will stand up in the long term).

[tron07]

Probably they will sell it to you with a clause stating xxxx stuffs will not be cover under the warranty or warranty period is only 1 year instead of the x number of years...

[EUR003act]

well modify is not just about getting the dyno numbers though. That might be just like dyno queen, lol.

Modify is about passion, mate. A lot of people don't care about the numbers. They just enjoy modify their car. 210 kw at the crank evo8 might just get 140 kw atw on roller dyno.
I have seen numbers of DC5 got better 1/4 mile time than stock evo which still running N/A bolt on + tuning. For sure a lot of Euros' owner will do the same if only reliable ecu tuning options is available at the market.

hey i have been the one all along saying stay n/a, i love the challenge of trying to get more power without doing the norm and slapping on a turbo

[EUR003act]

ok, i never said id buy it without seeing figures, i said that the website will have full details, photos, videos, dynos blah blah blah.

secondly, i was just trying to prove a point that u dont need to go turbo to beat sports proven cars, i think making a n/a family sedan quicker than a rally legend is an achievement, and something to be proud of (if someone did it)

third, im always open to peoples point of view :) i enjoy reading what everyone has to say.

forth, dyno shows 180kph when i hit 130.9kw (4th gear)

fifth, i know the reflash is generic and doesnt match the car or setup perfectly, but its alot cheaper and more time efficient than spending days on the dyno trying to turn it properly...

sixth, i did point out that $3999 wasnt installed, i said an extra $500 which included before and after dynos from memory

seventh, i probably wont get the extreme package (as i already said) instead go for the standard flash and headers...

eighth, stock evo8s do put around 170-180kw at the wheels, very efficient gear box and diff

ninth, id rather buy a euro for 40k and spend 26k customizing it, making it different to everyone else than spend 66k on an evo8 and be the same as the guy next door...

tenth, i already have upgraded brakes (slotted discs, braided lines), strut brace, front and rear sway bar, pedders super lows although im planning on tein super street coilovers

:D and no im not angry, just trying to answer /sort out alot of questions in one hit

[pornstar]

sorry if i seem to be taking a dig at you, but whats ur mph, not dyno, go to the dragstrip and give us ur mph, most of the knowledgeable ppl on here will be able to tell you, what dynos claim and what is real is 2 different things.

I've tuned many cars that "only" post about 175kws on my dyno, but on the dragstrip most of them pull 115+ mphs. yet some big name workshops will make 200+kws and will only pull the same sort of mphs...


ok, i never said id buy it without seeing figures, i said that the website will have full details, photos, videos, dynos blah blah blah.

secondly, i was just trying to prove a point that u dont need to go turbo to beat sports proven cars, i think making a n/a family sedan quicker than a rally legend is an achievement, and something to be proud of (if someone did it)

third, im always open to peoples point of view :) i enjoy reading what everyone has to say.

forth, dyno shows 180kph when i hit 130.9kw (4th gear)

fifth, i know the reflash is generic and doesnt match the car or setup perfectly, but its alot cheaper and more time efficient than spending days on the dyno trying to turn it properly...

sixth, i did point out that $3999 wasnt installed, i said an extra $500 which included before and after dynos from memory

seventh, i probably wont get the extreme package (as i already said) instead go for the standard flash and headers...

eighth, stock evo8s do put around 170-180kw at the wheels, very efficient gear box and diff

ninth, id rather buy a euro for 40k and spend 26k customizing it, making it different to everyone else than spend 66k on an evo8 and be the same as the guy next door...

tenth, i already have upgraded brakes (slotted discs, braided lines), strut brace, front and rear sway bar, pedders super lows although im planning on tein super street coilovers

:D and no im not angry, just trying to answer /sort out alot of questions in one hit

[tony1234]

IMO I think JTUNE will initially have trouble selling the extreme pack simply because it will need time in the marketplace to gain credibility.Once it's fitted to a number of cars and the word starts spreading i'm sure it'll take off(providing it lives up to peoples expectations)

[Suntzu]

IMO I think JTUNE will initially have trouble selling the extreme pack simply because it will need time in the marketplace to gain credibility.Once it's fitted to a number of cars and the word starts spreading i'm sure it'll take off(providing it lives up to peoples expectations)

Thats exactly what I was saying earlier. They are making a "release offer" of $3999 plus $500 install. So thats $4500. Now I AM going to me modding my car but I want to see some proper comments/feedback from users with real world experience about bag for buck over the next 3-4months.

So then the offer goes to its "normal" price of; lets estimate $5000 fitted.:o

Now I have spent about $3000 on Tein SS, RSB, ingalls, fitting , grill and others etc. So now add that to the $5000 of unknown performance. Thats $8000 in total.

My cars a 2005 standard with 30 000km worth approx $25 000. Add $8000 so $33000 and I am right on a NEW euro or more importantly im only about $7000 off a brand NEW Civic Type R or Golf GTI.

So even though I do hope that the hondata is good. Im not spending $5000 on my car, especially untested, sight unseen with this release offer.

Im hoping the normal flash with decent headers for about $2000 will be very decent. Let see.....

[mr747]

lol evo8 = 210 at the fly/180 at the wheels

K24 with jtune extreme, toda F spec cams and springs, RC 650 injectors, quad throttle body, borred out to 2.6l, with high 13.5:1 compression, maybe even stroker kit, easy putting down 200kw at the wheels for all that money you just spend why wouldnt you buy an r34 GTR??

i would rather an EVO 8 any day over a euro but each to there own:)

[yfin]

Thats exactly what I was saying earlier. They are making a "release offer" of $3999 plus $500 install. So thats $4500. Now I AM going to me modding my car but I want to see some proper comments/feedback from users with real world experience about bag for buck over the next 3-4months.

So then the offer goes to its "normal" price of; lets estimate $5000 fitted.:o

Now I have spent about $3000 on Tein SS, RSB, ingalls, fitting , grill and others etc. So now add that to the $5000 of unknown performance. Thats $8000 in total.

My cars a 2005 standard with 30 000km worth approx $25 000. Add $8000 so $33000 and I am right on a NEW euro or more importantly im only about $7000 off a brand NEW Civic Type R or Golf GTI.

So even though I do hope that the hondata is good. Im not spending $5000 on my car, especially untested, sight unseen with this release offer.

Im hoping the normal flash with decent headers for about $2000 will be very decent. Let see.....

Good post. Modding cars never really makes financial sense. Took me a while to realise that it is just about enjoyment.

It can be fun but at the end of the day you dont get much, if any, of the extra money you put in.

I agree with you on spending $5000 on the Euro though. Unless you are really attached to the car you can put that money towards the new model with SH-AWD and turbo or something different that is going to be as fast as the jtune model anyway.

[EUR003act]

everyone has a skyline! lol and people expect r34s to be fast, people dont expect the good old euro, it makes an excellent sleeper :) ive spent toooooo much money on the euro already to even consider buying a new car, id never get any of it back and id just end up with another stock car!

incase you havent worked it out, i like to be different and stand out in a crowd :p

[mr747]

its not just a skyline its a race/road car that can be driven in any condition but and at the end of the day the euro is a medium sized family car nothing more

dont get me wrong i like the shape of the euro and everything but for the amount of money you wanna spend to get 200kwfw personally its a waste

[aaronng]

its not just a skyline its a race/road car that can be driven in any condition but and at the end of the day the euro is a medium sized family car nothing more

dont get me wrong i like the shape of the euro and everything but for the amount of money you wanna spend to get 200kwfw personally its a waste

The price of a 2nd hand Euro ($24000 for base) and the $4500 for this tune is still reasonable.

[mr747]

The price of a 2nd hand Euro ($24000 for base) and the $4500 for this tune is still reasonable.
but i am talking about stroking boring out quad th everthing like that

4500 tune wont get you 200 kwfw

[aaronng]

but i am talking about stroking boring out quad th everthing like that

4500 tune wont get you 200 kwfw

That would be $8k+shipping from USA instead of $4k for 215kW then. :)
If it was me and I was spending that much, I'd go for 234kW instead but that is over $14k.

[tron07]

Im hoping the normal flash with decent headers for about $2000 will be very decent. Let see.....

After you spend that 2k, will you be wondering what about the rest of the package??

Give it a max of 1/2 a year, most people will probably be bored of the power and wants more.... then add the rest of the stuffs in the package??

[mr747]

for me ive owned a couple of turbo cars and the power is easy to get used of

after 6 months of the extreme package i would want to turbo the car anyway

thats just how it is power is easy to get used of

[EUR003act]

as aaronng said, it doesnt cost that much to get 200+ atw... but i never said i was gonna do that, i was talking theoritical. all i was saying is id rather have a 40k car and spend 26k customizing it and making it something special than just spending 66k straight out and getting something that wasnt 100% what i wanted...

its like clothes, you dont just buy a "combo" package from the shops, you go out and buy the shirt u like, the pants you like, the jacket you like, the watch you like, the shoes you like, etc, put it all together and you got the outfit you want...

[mr747]

hahhahaha i like the way you put that lol

[EUR003act]

thankyou :) lol