[Euro] Hondata Update

[tony1234]

IMO spending any more than 4.5k on a euro for performance gains is a waste.It's a FWD without LSD,if you have more power than what the JTUNE extreme is offering you'll have trouble getting it to the ground.i'm glad i spent 2.2k on my suspension.that was money well spent.

[Suntzu]

I could not agree more. 200kw would be stupid in a euro. I mean what are you trying to achieve?

Its a family lux car with a bit of poke that need a little bit more poke to make it complete. About 170kw at the fly with about 280nm torque should be spot on.

[EUR003act]

i want 150-160atw... then ill stop... and yes i agree, it is a family car, thats why it makes the perfect sleeper :)

keeping up with a 2006 BMW 540i is a pretty good job

[aaronng]

230+kW TSXs are used in race series in the USA. It just so happens that Hytech makes it available for regular people with the cash. :)

Anyway, it is not a must to have an LSD unless you are going to use full throttle out of a corner. If you are using 1/4 throttle coming out of a corner, it would be like stock. If you only want the grunt while rolling on the straight, you won't need the LSD.

[hengis]

QUOTE:

"..smash evo8's..."
your dreamin


QUOTE:"eighth, stock evo8s do put around 170-180kw at the wheels, very efficient gear box and diff"

~155Awkw actually


QUOTE:"ninth, id rather buy a euro for 40k and spend 26k customizing it, making it different to everyone else than spend 66k on an evo8 and be the same as the guy next door..."

evo IX's selling for 57 driveaway
Evo VIII's substantially less. low-mid 40's.

[tony1234]

230+kW TSXs are used in race series in the USA. It just so happens that Hytech makes it available for regular people with the cash. :)

Anyway, it is not a must to have an LSD unless you are going to use full throttle out of a corner. If you are using 1/4 throttle coming out of a corner, it would be like stock. If you only want the grunt while rolling on the straight, you won't need the LSD.
The Euro would be more fun with an LSD.

[EUR003act]

~155Awkw actually


that just makes them all the easier to beat :p

[EUR003act]

The Euro would be more fun with an LSD.

they sell them on TSX parts $1100...

[tony1234]

they sell them on TSX parts $1100...
Convert to aussie$$+freight+install,a bit rich for me.:(

[EUR003act]

same here, i dont do 1/4 mile drags, its only ever "track" style racing...

i want good 60-120km/hr acceleration more than 0-100... more practicle in everyday driving

[hengis]

that just makes them all the easier to beat :p

goodluck buddy, good luck!

[sodaz]

goodluck buddy, good luck!

I agree lol. No way can a Euro beat an Evo. Those who think it's possible should go for a test drive.

[EUR003act]

I agree lol. No way can a Euro beat an Evo. Those who think it's possible should go for a test drive.

ahhh yee of little faith :p

[Peekay34]

All I can say after having all the gear fitted the car is extremly quick it pulls hard in all gears 4K grand when you comare imports really is not that much. I spent over 12 grand on my Sportivo Corolla before I saw the light and got the Honda. The exhaust system as previously stated is designed to have no drone. I can attest to that as the original design did have some but I got them to change it. Bang for buck I think the money is well worth it as a complete package.

[markasia]

Best chance to probably step up to the Evo's is have the euro fitted with the comptech supercharger that most tsx over america does, too bad no one in australia can get any in.

[EuroAccord13]

The JTune package will out gun the Comptech S/C anytime....

[E-Gene]

All I can say after having all the gear fitted the car is extremly quick it pulls hard in all gears $ grand when you comare impoerts really is not that much. I spenat over 12 grand on my Sportivo Corolla before I saw the light and got the Honda.

But we did have lotsa fun with our Sportivos. Very different car imo, and still have an afinity for it.

[rhettzor]

I checked out the JTune website this morning, there is a logo on the page now. Hopefully more to come soon!

http://www.jtune.com.au/

Also, i checked out the source code (to see if there was any thing extra) and it looks like the page was made in word 2007...

http://jtune.com.au/indel_files/image001.jpg

[Pumped]

lol




.

[Merlin086]

Damn that web designer has been working hard these last months............

[ALN]

I agree lol. No way can a Euro beat an Evo. Those who think it's possible should go for a test drive.


i agree. On NA car with minor bolt on, probably just keep dremin lol. You do head internal mods like cams you got chance on stock evo's.

[tony1234]

Damn that web designer has been working hard these last months............
2 mths for a logo.i hope the HIE+reflash comes quicker than the logo.BTW Merlin086,you,i and all the other 06-07 owners out there have to wait approx 2-3 mths.MORE after the 03-05 reflash arrives.:thumbdwn:

[BiLL|z0r]

I would dare say the web site is being developed behinds the scenes and there are no links live on the web yet. You don't write a web site live online do you? No.

[Merlin086]

I would dare say the web site is being developed behinds the scenes and there are no links live on the web yet. You don't write a web site live online do you? No.

To quote from 29th May from Hondatech

"and now waiting for my graphic artist to finish off my website so I can release everything, and all the results"

.......but 3 months is certainly enough time!....surely....

[BiLL|z0r]

True, we all know his time frame means at least triple whats he states. I don't him curry over it though simply because of his new born baby (not so new now) and I know the time babies can take up. That child will be no 1 priority in his life. I'd also prefer a perfect product on release rather than version 1,2,3 etc.

[yfin]

I see they registered the Jtune corporate name last week so looks like they are close (read closer). At least they are getting good legal advice to limit personal liability.

[Dru42]

any progress on release dates and prices?

[r-r-redEuro]

dont we have another thread on this ?

[Pumped]

lol, this is the original thread
Hence the 54 pages

[Dru42]

theres another thread?

[r-r-redEuro]

yeah but someone decided to create another and i think everyone has followed on to that one to talk about the JTune/hondata.

[Omotesando]

I was reading this for about 7-8 pages and far out theres still nothing exciting going on yet. Although by the sounds of it, this time the release is imminent with the registration of the names, etc.

As for beating EVOs (stock), I honestly dont think there will be any problems going by what's being presented here or what we have heard from Peekay.
EVOs and STIs don't actually trap that fast even with bolt on mods, they are just monsters off the line but AWD is not efficient for high speeds. They also need full ECU tuning to get the best out of the package. Even a 12s EVO or STi doesnt necessarily make it quicker than a 13.X s Honda on a rolling start. :)

[yfin]

Would be interesting to see - I was reading an old magazine this morning with the 03 WRX STI (so slower than the current model with the bigger engine). Over a fair distance of 1000m the STI got 25.87 seconds @202kph.

The 03 Honda NSX was only slightly faster with 25.77 so the turbos still do ok over the distance.

I dont think they are too bad rolling especially if they are in the right gear.

[sodaz]

A stock evo can do 80-120km/h in 3rd gear in 3.2 secs. I've driven one several times and it's much much quicker than a manual euro with I/H/E. AWD helps it off the line but it's not slow at all from a rolling start.

[Pumped]

Comparing a euro to an evo is ridiculous
Evo>Euro
no doubt, you spend the money on getting a euro as fast as a stock evo and its going to have traction issues anyway.
spend a little money on the evo and it'll be far ahead

[Suntzu]

All the Jtune/hondata threads are a waste of the intertubes with no proper announcement.

And all this talk of evo vs euro is frankly stupid and its totally irrelevant.

If i wanted an evo i would have bought one, not modded my euro.

[BusterSonic12]

we shouldn't compare the evo to euro. since they are totally different class.
any update on this jtune yet?

[tony1234]

we shouldn't compare the evo to euro. since they are totally different class.
any update on this jtune yet?
Remember Leon we'll have to wait ANOTHER 2-3 mths.after the reflash is released for the 03-05 Euros because we and others have the 06-07 model.:thumbdwn:

[ENVSSS]

Look guys some exciting news from James regarding Jtune Euro packages:

http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=1564&highlight=euro

[yfin]

good to see some update but nothing firm yet on release date - and doesnt say anything about install price.

I can only speculate on`pre-order` - sounds like you pay and then wait for parts to be made (overseas?). Not sure how long that process will take - could be a month or two for manufacture which would take it closer to Christmas 07.

[tony1234]

From what i understand you have to pay the FULL amt.up front!!Based on how long we've had to wait i'm not so sure about this.:(

[yfin]

From what i understand you have to pay the FULL amt.up front!!Based on how long we've had to wait i'm not so sure about this.:(

You take a risk with every new business - if you are concerned you can wait after the pre-order and your penalty is you pay approx 20% more. There is no guarantees with anything, there could be further delays after you have ordered, etc. But a 20% discount is a pretty good carrot and these guys are not the type to run off with everyone's money (my opinion). They love the work and the cars.

Don't think you can expect them to manufacture all this bolt on equipment without having payment (or at least a hefty deposit) upfront.

If I was them I would do the same - no business wants to chase people for money.

[tony1234]

You take a risk with every new business - if you are concerned you can wait after the pre-order and your penalty is you pay approx 20% more. There is no guarantees with anything, there could be further delays after you have ordered, etc. But a 20% discount is a pretty good carrot and these guys are not the type to run off with everyone's money (my opinion). They love the work and the cars.

Don't think you can expect them to manufacture all this bolt on equipment without having payment (or at least a hefty deposit) upfront.

If I was them I would do the same - no business wants to chase people for money.
I agree.But having to pay the full amt.is a bit much.50% payment up front would be easier to take.

[Pumped]

Cant wait to hear some more information about the "mild flash tune"
Having already got I/H/E it would be a pretty expensive exercise to swap all that over to Jtune gear.

[Suntzu]

LoL at 20% penalty.

Ive been running my own company for 8 years successfully and would NEVER penalise a customer. They are your lifeblood.

No way im paying 100% upfront. That nucking futs. And an unreasonable ask.

That being said the mild reflash at $899 looks like good value to me.

[yfin]

LoL at 20% penalty.

Ive been running my own company for 8 years successfully and would NEVER penalise a customer. They are your lifeblood.

No way im paying 100% upfront. That nucking futs. And an unreasonable ask.

That being said the mild reflash at $899 looks like good value to me.

"Penalty" was my words. It isn't a penalty - it is a discount for people who sign up early.

As for paying upfront - that is up to them and it makes sense for some business models.

From what I gather this is a new start up business. If they have to get a loan to cover the manufacturing costs of all these bolt ons before receiving money from the customer - that is only going to increase the cost of the final product for everyone.

[BusterSonic12]

mild tune option sounds quite good. would the vafc help in situation like this, where it can happen the reflashed ecu to bring the mapping a bit closer to your mods. do u get what i mean?

[ok2]

Does anyone know what the conditions are that are in the announcement i.e.
"These prices apply for all Australian clients who own a 2003 to 2007 Manual and Automatic Honda Accord Euro. ** Conditions apply for 2006 and 2007 models."

100% up front payment for a new un-proven product is, IMHO, asking a bit much. Can appreciate his start up costs but that only implies they company is underfunded.

It may be, and certainly hope it is because I want one, an excellent product but I'm going to wait and watch.

[Omotesando]

Would be interesting to see - I was reading an old magazine this morning with the 03 WRX STI (so slower than the current model with the bigger engine). Over a fair distance of 1000m the STI got 25.87 seconds @202kph.

The 03 Honda NSX was only slightly faster with 25.77 so the turbos still do ok over the distance.

I dont think they are too bad rolling especially if they are in the right gear.

Well they are definitely not bad rolling start because they have a turbo and heaps of mid-range torque but they won't beat most newer Holdens!

When you compare NSX and STI, dont forget the STI probably gets 3-5 car lengths from the word go and at around 200kph every 0.1s is worth around 5 to 5.5 car lengths.

So if the NSX by 1000m has caught up by 8-10 car lengths over the STI including the launch deficit initially, and the M3 is even faster by the STI by around 0.5-1.0s over 1000m, then you will understand why I said they aren't actually that fast.

Similarly, as I always said, a 0-100kph time of 5.0s for an AWD and a RWD doesn't necessarily mean they are equal, as the AWD covers that in a shorter distance. Probably not easy to grasp the concept though.

Euro Accord with I/H/E PLUS tuning (tuning makes the difference), if it really traps 102mph, will mean it is faster than a stock EVO or STI on a rolling start which trap around same 101.X to 103mph, especially considering the Euro is FWD and the launch deficit i.e. 0-60ft will be much greater.

[Pumped]

Rofl :-|
an sti gets 5 car lengths off the line over an NSX?
sounds legit

[Bryce]

agreed!

[yfin]

mild tune option sounds quite good. would the vafc help in situation like this, where it can happen the reflashed ecu to bring the mapping a bit closer to your mods. do u get what i mean?

No i wouldnt stuff around with the tune they come up with

[10KRPM]

Sounds like this company doesnt have much capital to play around with...hence the 100% upfront payment.

Its a cash flow issue, they can spend x amount of dollars to get the parts manufactured but how many people are going to buy it? In this instance the risk of stock lying around is too much of a tie up in cash.

At least this way they know how much they have to manufacture and therefore their losses are kept to a minimum, no stock lying around. Of course with economies of scale if they were to mass produce a thousand parts then the price would come down markedly....whether or not they get sold is another matter entirely.

Also of course...you dont work for nothing...no matter how much you love cars, honda's etc etc etc. So their cut is included there too....cant put food on the table if you have no money.

[ok2]

Update for the those people with 2006 & 2007 Euros

"With regards to the conditions for 2006 / 2007 models our JTune bolt on products are 100% compatible with all 2003 to 2007 Honda Accord Euros. Currently however our ECU for 2006 -2007 is still in the final stages of testing due to the extra dash features found on 2006 and 2007 models. The release of 2006 – 2007 ECUs will be staged after the release of 2003 to 2005 models. The conditions noted above are directly related to this."

So we have to wait a little longer ... :)

P.S. Quoted from Hondatech forum http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=5410&posted=1#post5410

[r-r-redEuro]

okay i gotta clear things up, so for the extreme tuning the $4000 worth, it comes with headers, intake and exhaust as a whole package right ? so i dont need to have any other parts ?

[E-Gene]

Yup, but exclude tuning.

[Suntzu]

So that means the $4000+ package will have variable amounts of power depending on the car, as it's tuned individually.

Ergo the $899 will be a fixed tuned them? On a generic safe 98 ron level??

[sr3]

Yup, but exclude tuning.

It includes tuning !!

Quoted from Hondatech.com.au

http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=1564

The JTune Extreme package includes the following:

JTune Cold Air Induction system
JTune Performance 4-2-1 Headers
JTune Quad Muffler duel exit 3 inch exhaust system
JTune High flow catalytic converter
JTune Extreme Flash ECU Upgrade
JTune Hondata K24 Intake Manifold Gasket

The Price of the JTune Extreme package Pre Order is $3999.00 (AUD)

From the above, it would appear the Extreme package includes everything including tuning, the tuning would be in the Extreme Flash ECU Upgrade. The only thing not mentioned is installation, but I assume you can have it installed or do it your self as its completely bolt on.

[mugen88]

Yup, but exclude tuning.

James from JTune came to the Melb Euro meet and showed us all the details/products for the euro, install of all the JTune gear will be around $450 on top of the preorder price.

There is no tunning they just reflash the ecu the same time they install the parts as all the parts and the ecu will be the same for all euro's.

The benifit for Melb euro owners is we just drive into the workshop and the ecu is done locally. Interstate purchasers will still need to send off the ecu for the reflash to be done.

The hurdles for the final release is not the product but just some loose ends atm.

[EuroAccord13]

To add to the above statement, it's an approximate 4 hour drive in drive out for everything...

[tony1234]

I think they dyno your car before and after installing the gear so you have some comparison.

[tony1234]

So that means the $4000+ package will have variable amounts of power depending on the car, as it's tuned individually.

Ergo the $899 will be a fixed tuned them? On a generic safe 98 ron level??
You'll have to run 98 all the time.

[r-r-redEuro]

i always run 98 all the time so i guess its alright for me. oh yeah btw this would void my warranty wouldnt it. i guess i gotta wait 5 years. lol

[BiLL|z0r]

Depends on the fault with wty. If you're electric window breaks then that'll still be covered but if ya engin blows up then I doubt it.

[tron07]

i always run 98 all the time so i guess its alright for me. oh yeah btw this would void my warranty wouldnt it. i guess i gotta wait 5 years. lol

Yours a 07 model.... slowly wait..... if Auto.... wait longer...

[r-r-redEuro]

wait 5 years for warranty to finish =P not for hondata

[Peekay34]

For Brisbane Owners http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=1580

[tony1234]

For Brisbane Owners http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=1580
What about us in sydney?Anything happening for us?:angel:

[mr747]

i wish this was released already

[tony1234]

Here we go again!!WHEN is this going to be released???

[Lukey13]

Here we go again!!WHEN is this going to be released???

If it's an '06 or '07 (like you and me) which still have a long way to go, I've heard something about June/July 2008 for the Hondata ECU reflash. Obviously the Jtune stuff like headers and exhaust will be available when the other stuff is released in December 2007/January 2008.

[Pumped]

June!

:o

[yfin]

Here we go again!!WHEN is this going to be released???

Dont ask for a date - every other date quoted has been wrong. Part of the reason I sold my car was being fed up waiting for this...

***

Expected Release date – Mid September 2005 (posted July 2005)

Hondatech Exhaust, Intake and Headers Development – FINISHED (thread title April 2006)

Pre orders will begin in a few weeks (early Oct 2006)

The final product’s are very close to shipping, and a pre order will being in a few weeks (late Oct 2006)

Unfortunately there are more examples so you need to have the patience of a monk to endure the wait.

[tony1234]

If it's an '06 or '07 (like you and me) which still have a long way to go, I've heard something about June/July 2008 for the Hondata ECU reflash. Obviously the Jtune stuff like headers and exhaust will be available when the other stuff is released in December 2007/January 2008.
June July next year!!If that's the case count me out.I keep my cars for approx.4 yrs.I'm not spending 4k+fitting and have the car for less than 2 yrs.:thumbdwn:

[Suntzu]

Thats why im getting the reflash only. probably have my car for about 18 more months. $900 ok $4000+ not ok.

[Lukey13]

Thats why im getting the reflash only. probably have my car for about 18 more months. $900 ok $4000+ not ok.

Yeah, $4K is a sh!teload of money to spend on the Euro. To me, the basic reflash is sounding like great bang-for-buck.

I too only keep new cars for 3-4 years so hopefully the reflash will be available well before I sell in 2010...

[aaronng]

I guess they have missed the boat. I was wanting the reflash, but now I guess not since my car is reaching the 3 year mark.

[Gibbo]

Yep - I'm selling my Euro as well - Sorry James but you blew it with too much bs about the release date I'm guessing you have missed out on at least $10000 in lost sales -NOT a great way to start a new product line...

[Bryce]

not a great way to do business at all!

iv been scratching my balls since sept 05 waiting for this tune

sick of false promises and sick of not having the mid range torque that i crave

ill be selling my euro because of this monstrosity

http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/d/de/deziner02/286352_disapointed.jpg

[rhettzor]

Apparently the website will be released in a week...
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=5517&postcount=79

[EUR003act]

hey guys im back! bloody apec!

anyways, the jtune website is up! but theres nothing more than a jtune logo there for now... hopefully theyll get the entire thing up this week?

[TRaNz]

Yeah, cant wait, probably just a few touch-ups of the websites to be done i reckon and then, bamm kgorelease. LOL

[EuroAccord13]

James showed us his website.... Got the looks, got the info... Now is just the wait for GoLive.....

[sodaz]

I really hope they deliver the goods this time. They've caused quite a bit of disappointment and the only thing they can do now is deliver a faultless product that performs as good as the hype surrounding it.

[rhettzor]

The official countdown has begun, 6 days to go.

http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=1588

[Suntzu]

Is this a countdown to when they will release a release date? :)

[sodaz]

Is this a countdown to when they will release a release date? :)

LOL! ;)

[TRaNz]

mMmMmM, not long now, apparently less than 9 hours or so.....
So tomoz should be quite an interesting day for J-Tune :D

[Merlin086]

I was going to hold my breath in anticipation......

...........but on second thoughts.........not a good idea!

Quote..."good things come to those who wait"....apparently

[johnprocter]

ooo can't wait ;)

[E-Gene]

What are we waiting for really? Just more information yah?

[johnprocter]

i think their releasing all the info u need to buy it??

[badthing]

The jtune website is working now. Finally!

[TRaNz]

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
**squeals like a girl** LOL
JTune website is up an running......:D:thumbsup:

[BiLL|z0r]

LOL, yerp, looking over it myself now. So just wanna intake and reflash for some extra go and intake noise. *looks at wallet* damn, no $$$$$ again :(

[badthing]

VTEC crossover for the Extreme flash is at 3148rpm!! Much lower than I expected..

[yfin]

yay so this actually is for sale :thumbsup: Things I found interesting!

The extreme package is ballsy. At about 4300rpm the extreme package is putting out more power than a stock euro at 7000rpm and you take off from there! With a nice mph of 101.8 there must be more potential than 14.89 over the ¼.
Note that reference point for stock euro on this dyno is around 125kw so be careful comparing the Jtune numbers to other dynos.
you can reflash back to stock for a fee
there is no "mid" flash for people with existing aftermarket i/h/e. At one stage there was going to be something like that. I think this may disappoint a few who do not want to sell existing bolt ons. It is all or nothing at the moment - a base flash for a stock Euro (all others) or extreme package with all the jtune bolt ons.
The base reflash with intake is not producing as much power as I thought it might. A little surprised actually.
The chart showing the jtune bolt ons (without any flash) is really impressive. The car achieves almost 150kw at the hubs with just bolt ons. Very surprised by this.
Once you have put in an order delivery will take 6 to 10 weeks so excited people with cash will need to wait a bit longer.

[Merlin086]

I'm confused?

In the hondatech quizz game James states on p3 that someone had been within 2 rpm of the correct figure.

The lowest guess had been 3850 at that time.
However the exact figure was 3152 rpm.....how is this 2 rpm from 3850.

The majority of people who guessed after the "2 rpm off"
statement guessed 2rpm difference from a previous guess.

Am I just confused or has this been just another case of misinformation?

[Pumped]

My life has hit its peak so young

Does this mean the 06-07 reflash could be ready as early as october

[Merlin086]

I can understand paying up front and waiting maybe 10 weeks for the hardware to arrive, but not too keen on paying for the reflash up front with a possible 3 month wait for a 15 min reflash.
$3k up front and $1k at reflash time would have been much fairer, after all, all manufacturing costs are covered by payment in advance.

[EUR003act]

Anyone willing to drive to melbourne with me for the ECU reflash? i cant be f*#@ed taken out my ecu and sending it... sydney guys?

[Suntzu]

I need to absorb all this. ...

[BusterSonic12]

site looks good. want some feedback first before planning to invest in this tho =p

[mr747]

i might be buying a 350z if this falls though this week im getting the extreme for sure

[BiLL|z0r]

The stock dyno results look consistant to me. Where does it quote 120+kw? It makes 120+ on the hub at peak after 6000rpm vtec but never actually quotes it.
The reflash only certainly isn't making as much as I thought. I did expect another reflash if you got the intake and exhaust but not the headers. This would give decent results between the 2 basic and extreme packages I would think and quite good for road use.

I just want the wheels on the white Euro. Mine's white and that looks sexy as.

[Tom-JTune]

Hi everyone I’m Tom, and I also own a 2003 Manual Euro, good to hear you like the site BusterSonic12.

Thanks Tom

[Suntzu]

So tom,

Which one have you got fitted and whats it like?

Im keen on the reflash and their Intake. Looks like about 20nm ATW accross the rev range which is good for $1350.

I'd like to see some comments from real users first.

I can get mine flashed till the end of month cause im getting a new set of keys flashed by honda as I lost a set.

[ALN]

The stock dyno results look consistant to me. Where does it quote 120+kw? It makes 120+ on the hub at peak after 6000rpm vtec but never actually quotes it.
The reflash only certainly isn't making as much as I thought. I did expect another reflash if you got the intake and exhaust but not the headers. This would give decent results between the 2 basic and extreme packages I would think and quite good for road use.

I just want the wheels on the white Euro. Mine's white and that looks sexy as.

The reflash does make significant power gain on the vtec transisition point but the peak power doesn't do much check the usa hondata. It is showed the gain around 2-4 hp at wheel at peak however this only on stock car. The more you modify your car the higher the gain combining with the ecu tuning.

[aaronng]

The stock dyno results look consistant to me. Where does it quote 120+kw? It makes 120+ on the hub at peak after 6000rpm vtec but never actually quotes it.


Look at the stock dyno. Look at the power at about 6800rpm.

[BiLL|z0r]

Yer but people were saying it's 105 somewhere and 120 somewhere else (or maybe I read it wrong). It only says 105 because thats the rpm point that the extreme makes it's peak power (and good too to make it around 5000rpm)

[aaronng]

Different dynos give different readings. A hub dyno gives slightly higher readings because it it removes the tyre/rim factor.

[Peekay34]

site looks good. want some feedback first before planning to invest in this tho =p

What feedback do you want I can tell you the car is very quick.... and when you put your foot down a smile appears on your face.. It goes boy does it go.

[BusterSonic12]

What feedback do you want I can tell you the car is very quick.... and when you put your foot down a smile appears on your face.. It goes boy does it go.

just like after a month or so, any problem appearing etc. is the torque steering massive since that's a bit of kw on a front wheel drive.

vtec engage soo early LOL that's ike vtec on a normal straight road hahahhaa
i was planning to get a dc5r after my hsc's over, now i m tempted to sell my auto and get a manual + this.

[EuroAccord13]

What feedback do you want I can tell you the car is very quick.... and when you put your foot down a smile appears on your face.. It goes boy does it go.


Let's meet for lunch again and let me drive and see if I have a smile too :D

[aaronng]

just like after a month or so, any problem appearing etc. is the torque steering massive since that's a bit of kw on a front wheel drive.

vtec engage soo early LOL that's ike vtec on a normal straight road hahahhaa
i was planning to get a dc5r after my hsc's over, now i m tempted to sell my auto and get a manual + this.

It's torque that causes torque steer, not kW. You can have a 200kW engine FWD which makes peak power at 8600rpm but the torque is still the same as a stock k24a (223Nm), thus making it as drivable as a stock Euro (assuming you use the same gear ratios as the Euro).

That being said, the extreme package has an extra 80Nm to the wheels over a stock Euro, so there should be more torque steer than the stock car.

[E-Gene]

I'll be popping into Revzone on Wed to get my Toda headers installed. Will check out the Jtune system when I'm there as well.

[ALN]

It's torque that causes torque steer, not kW. You can have a 200kW engine FWD which makes peak power at 8600rpm but the torque is still the same as a stock k24a (223Nm), thus making it as drivable as a stock Euro (assuming you use the same gear ratios as the Euro).

That being said, the extreme package has an extra 80Nm to the wheels over a stock Euro, so there should be more torque steer than the stock car.

What's the alternative to overcome the torque steer? will LSD do it ?

[EUR003act]

What's the alternative to overcome the torque steer? will LSD do it ?

LSD will stop wheel spin... theres no real way to stop torque steer, its not a bad thing, u just have to adjust your driving to suit it

[ALN]

LSD will stop wheel spin... theres no real way to stop torque steer, its not a bad thing, u just have to adjust your driving to suit it


Well isn't LSD function is to equally distribute the power to both front wheels as the torque steer may be caused by the too much wheel spin on one of the wheel. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[aaronng]

What's the alternative to overcome the torque steer? will LSD do it ?

LSD will make torque steer even worse. :)

[aaronng]

Well isn't LSD function is to equally distribute the power to both front wheels as the torque steer may be caused by the too much wheel spin on one of the wheel. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Without an LSD, you get one wheel on the slippery side and all the torque will go to the spinning wheel, so the wheel with grip won't have torque and hence won't accelerate.

When you have an LSD under the same condition, torque is transferred to the wheel with grip instead of being lost in the slippery wheel side. So you get torque on the grippy tyre and torque on the slippery tyre. So what does this cause? TORQUE STEER!

That is why an LSD makes torque steer worse. :)

[EUR003act]

Well isn't LSD function is to equally distribute the power to both front wheels as the torque steer may be caused by the too much wheel spin on one of the wheel. Correct me if I'm wrong.

yeah but without LSD youd prob have one wheel spinnning the other gripping, so you could half steer... with LSD both wheels spinning, i think itd be worse

[^__^ SM ^__^]

They havea JTune "Ultimate" package coming with the Toda cams.. :( Guess I won't be in a hurry to flash my ECU now and then reflash it to the Ulti Flash later.

[ALN]

Without an LSD, you get one wheel on the slippery side and all the torque will go to the spinning wheel, so the wheel with grip won't have torque and hence won't accelerate.

When you have an LSD under the same condition, torque is transferred to the wheel with grip instead of being lost in the slippery wheel side. So you get torque on the grippy tyre and torque on the slippery tyre. So what does this cause? TORQUE STEER!

That is why an LSD makes torque steer worse. :)

Great explanation, thanks:thumbsup:. I almost buy a LSD since I will replace my clutch again so I thought I could save labour cost once.

[yfin]

They havea JTune "Ultimate" package coming with the Toda cams.. :( Guess I won't be in a hurry to flash my ECU now and then reflash it to the Ulti Flash later.

Maybe just get the extreme package now if you are interested. The cams will add quite a bit to the cost and if you want to upgrade the flash later you do not pay full price (i think only $220)

Does anyone know how much the base reflash actually costs to be installed? Can't see it listed on the install section.

[aaronng]

yeah but without LSD youd prob have one wheel spinnning the other gripping, so you could half steer... with LSD both wheels spinning, i think itd be worse

Nah, with an LSD, both wheels are meant to grip, not spin. But with a helical LSD, it works by preventing spin. If the wheel manages to spin due to a factors such as low grip on both front tyres, then the LSD will end up working like an open diff.

[sodaz]

Nice website. Finally some info released.....:thumbsup:

If the US Hondata reflash is anything to go by, if you have I/H/E you will make more power from the reflash than if you just had a stock car, but obviously you won't make as much power as the extreme package.

The Jtune hardware is on the expensive side imo but the quality looks good:

$450 CAI - similar to the price of the Injen CAI
$1595 headers - similar price to Toda headers - a lot more expensive than DC sports/Comptech
$1995 exhaust - more expensive than most exhausts out there except the ultra high end ones

The reflash at $990 isn't too bad. I hope it can improve that annoying DBW lag and give the car more drivability.

[euro77]

What's the alternative to overcome the torque steer? will LSD do it ?

Engine torque damper (ETD) may reduce it.

[Lukey13]

I can't wait for the video links to work so we can have a listen to the setup. After all, the sound experience is a very important aspect of a performance setup.

[aaronng]

An ETD doesn't do anything for torque steer. ETD helps with wheelhop.

[EUR003act]

An ETD doesn't do anything for torque steer. ETD helps with wheelhop.

true that

[Tom-JTune]

So tom,

Which one have you got fitted and whats it like?

Im keen on the reflash and their Intake. Looks like about 20nm ATW accross the rev range which is good for $1350.

I'd like to see some comments from real users first.

I can get mine flashed till the end of month cause im getting a new set of keys flashed by honda as I lost a set.

My car wasn’t a test car, but I have driven a test car with the JTune intake and the mild reflash installed. The following week I drove the test car with the whole Extreme package and it made the mild flash with the intake upgrade seem bland. The Intake and reflash is fantastic. The intake headers exhaust and reflash is totally amazing.

[yfin]

My car wasn’t a test car, but I have driven a test car with the JTune intake and the mild reflash installed. The following week I drove the test car with the whole Extreme package and it made the mild flash with the intake upgrade seem bland. The Intake and reflash is fantastic. The intake headers exhaust and reflash is totally amazing.

You have only just joined this site and have indicated to me that you are part of the Jtune "promotions" team - whatever that means.

To this end, if you are going to post your "experiences" please tell everyone what your interest is in this product - ie do you have a financial interest or otherwise?

I think our members here would prefer a totally unbiased opinion of this product at this point in time - not someone who just joined to make a quick buck.

[Tom-JTune]

Maybe just get the extreme package now if you are interested. The cams will add quite a bit to the cost and if you want to upgrade the flash later you do not pay full price (i think only $220)

Does anyone know how much the base reflash actually costs to be installed? Can't see it listed on the install section.


If you read the JTune website the Ultimate package is an upgrade for owners who own the Extreme package. The flash upgrade from Extreme to Ultimate is automatically included in the cost when you upgrade.

The cost of any reflash install is included in the cost of the product this is why you will not find an install cost.

As for a financial interest I have none, I am however part of the promotional team to provide support for the product. I’ve been hired to help answer questions which people raise regarding JTune products. I myself have ordered an Extreme package for my car and am awaiting delivery.

[yfin]

As for a financial interest I have none, I am however part of the promotional team to provide support for the product. I’ve been hired to help answer questions which people raise regarding JTune products. I myself have ordered an Extreme package for my car and am awaiting delivery.

Interesting choice of words for someone who has no interest whatsoever - "I've been hired", "part of promotions team", "provide support", "Tom-Jtune".

You then spam Euro members with advertisements over PM about Jtune products?

Wow - your email address even ends in jtune.com.au... All this work and promotion for no benefit to you whatsoever? So very generous of you.

I'll let the membership decide whether they believe anything you say - i think you are full of it and if you think the Ozhonda membership are idiots you will learn very quickly that trying to hoodwink people will hurt your sales.. Suggest you go back to your Jtune website and if someone wants to speak to you/James they can find you there.

[E-Gene]

Yup, can't wait to hear some "real" reviews on the JTune system.

[jooboo]

Oh mad the JTune site looks crazy, well done guys now my brother needs a body kit and the JTune extreme kit. I wish more company’s would design products like this.

[Waggy]

I love how everyone who goes against the dealer monopoly on here gets branded and scrutinised....however anyone else who is a part of the brainwashed 'clan' gets away with murder.

Congrats on the Jtune products Tom and James.

[7ypeR]

I have seen the extreme pack first hand (final production version) and the quality is sh*t hot. Once you see it, it's quite evident that heaps of time and research has been put in the design. It's definitely up there with all the jap stuff for sure. Can't wait for my mate to get his installed. Will definitely let you guys know how it goes :thumbsup:

P.S YFIN you should take it easy. Everyone has their right to post their opinions. That is why this is called a forum.

[Zdster]

P.S YFIN you should take it easy. Everyone has their right to post their opinions. That is why this is called a forum.

I am with Yfin on this. Everyone has a right to post there opinions, but you should also be stating what your vested interests are. Its like going out and signing all your friends up to a service or product just because you get a comission out of it.

[yfin]

I have no problem with this product - I was previously going to purchase it myself. My role is to ensure compliance with site rules.

As we have strict rules about no commercial free advertising I find it hard to understand how someone with an email address ending in "jtune.com.au" can have no connection to the actual manufacturer Jtune. They also claim to be "hired" by Jtune and part of the "promotions" team.

Take all experiences by that member with the appropriate weight - that is my point. It is not a genuine customer experience and is clearly posted on behalf of Jtune which is not permitted. If Jtune want to advertise on Ozhonda they need to support this website and become a commercial trader. Such rules are in the interests of all members as commercial traders ensure that this site keeps going.

[ALN]

I have seen the extreme pack first hand (final production version) and the quality is sh*t hot. Once you see it, it's quite evident that heaps of time and research has been put in the design. It's definitely up there with all the jap stuff for sure. Can't wait for my mate to get his installed. Will definitely let you guys know how it goes :thumbsup:

P.S YFIN you should take it easy. Everyone has their right to post their opinions. That is why this is called a forum.

I'm with YFin. The feedback or reviews should be independent not related with the seller or commercial ads. Yfin and few other members have been very helpful moderator with supportive relevant information to the ozhonda members esp on euro section. Well so they know what are they talking about. Cheers.

[EUR003act]

im with yfin ofcourse :) i mean, i love the jtune package and ill prob get the reflash, but when your stating how good it is, maybe you should add in "oh yeah, the more of these i sell the more money i get"

(thats usually what a member of a promotion team does)

[tony1234]

Has anyone here signed up for any of the JTUNE gear yet?

[mugen88]

I can't wait for the video links to work so we can have a listen to the setup. After all, the sound experience is a very important aspect of a performance setup.

The Jtune setup is meant to be low key in terms of sound to suit their target market demographic of 35+ drivers. So the sound is not meant to be loud or racey so you may be disappointed depending on what your after.

Will have to wait for somone to get this package and comment.

[N3M3SIS]

i've had the Header's and exhaust on my car, as a test, drove around for 2 - 3days, went to the country and back 300km's, and for just the header's and exhaust it sounds nice, and gives a noticable increase. would prob have to have the flash to top it off though

[Suntzu]

From what im reading its the Header,cat, exhaust that's making the majority of the gains. The reflash just tops it off a bit.

The H/Ex/Cat (no flash) is making a lot more gains than the Intake/Flash.

Hmmmm... Im questioning the value of the Intake and Flash only now....

[yfin]

From what im reading its the Header,cat, exhaust that's making the majority of the gains. The reflash just tops it off a bit.

The H/Ex/Cat (no flash) is making a lot more gains than the Intake/Flash.

Hmmmm... Im questioning the value of the Intake and Flash only now....

Don't you already have an intake? Why not stick with that and just get the reflash. I think it is interesting to look at the standard Acura TSX Hondata reflash - it has quite a high power gain at 6000rpm (in percentage terms more than Jtune mild) but not much gain anywhere elsewhere.

The Jtune mild flash has more linear gains from as low as 3250rpm - but it just doesn't have that big power jump anywhere in the rev range. I think the Jtune mild flash is preferred as it is more useable in lower revs. You have to be at 5000rpm in the TSX reflash to feel the gain.

http://www.hondata.com/images/dynotsx-stock-vs-reflash.gif

[tony1234]

Don't you already have an intake? Why not stick with that and just get the reflash. I think it is interesting to look at the standard Acura TSX Hondata reflash - it has quite a high power gain at 6000rpm (in percentage terms more than Jtune mild) but not much gain anywhere elsewhere.

The Jtune mild flash has more linear gains from as low as 3250rpm - but it just doesn't have that big power jump anywhere in the rev range. I think the Jtune mild flash is preferred as it is more useable in lower revs. You have to be at 5000rpm in the TSX reflash to feel the gain.


Yeah i agree.I've changed my mind and i'm not getting the extreme pack i'm just going to get mild reflash and their intake.At 4500RPM(max torque)you're getting approx.20Nm gain for a cost of $1449.Fit the I.H.E.for an approx.gain at 4200RPM of 40Nm you've got to spend $4040 plus fitting(approx.$450)This is not taking into account the discount on offer. so $$/Nm mild reflash plus intake wins!!

[yfin]

Yeah i agree.I've changed my mind and i'm not getting the extreme pack i'm just going to get mild reflash and their intake.At 4500RPM(max torque)you're getting approx.20Nm gain for a cost of $1449.Fit the I.H.E.for an approx.gain at 4200RPM of 40Nm you've got to spend $4040 plus fitting(approx.$450)This is not taking into account the discount on offer. so $$/Nm mild reflash plus intake wins!!

Just check those numbers Tony - looks to me around +75nm on extreme at 4500rpm (around 40% gain!) whereas mild with intake is only around +25nm at same RPM (around +15%). Extreme should be better bang for buck but you do obviously need more buck...

[Suntzu]

I agree with tony. Bang for buck i reckon their Intake ( no i dont have one yet) and the flash is the best value.

Im going to get the Flash and Intake:

then later:

Decent affordable headers
Mod my exhaust for about $500 to free it up.

I reckon all up Ill spend about $2500 and get 80% of the extreme package. Also I can do it bit by bit also.

[TRaNz]

LoL, yeah dont we all need more buck.
So say just gettin the reflash with the intake ( well diff one ), be still worth it? In terms of noticeable power increase that is....and maybe some sound :p

[tony1234]

Just check those numbers Tony - looks to me around +75nm on extreme at 4500rpm (around 40% gain!) whereas mild with intake is only around +25nm at same RPM (around +15%). Extreme should be better bang for buck but you do obviously need more buck...
Sorry i meant extreme pack MINUS reflash.That's what i based my figures on.:o

[yfin]

Im going to get the Flash and Intake:

then later:

Decent affordable headers
Mod my exhaust for about $500 to free it up.

I reckon all up Ill spend about $2500 and get 80% of the extreme package. Also I can do it bit by bit also.

Would be good to see a chart for mild flash with aftermarket i/h/e dont you think?

[Cranial]

Extreme package is definately looking good... but quite expensive! But it sure sounds like the goods! I'm quite happy with my current mods already, so I might hold off for a while to see what others think with real-life experiences once people actually start installing them in their Euros.

yfin, in terms of performance on paper, how would you stack the Extreme package to the VE SS?

[tony1234]

Everyone here is going to wait to see who takes the plunge first.It'll be interesting to see how many of us will by Oct.14th.

[yfin]

yfin, in terms of performance on paper, how would you stack the Extreme package to the VE SS?

It depends - from stand still the extreme package struggles to get power to the ground. 14.8 over the 1/4 is dissapointing given the power and mph numbers. It can do better than that for sure with stiffer and lower suspension, better tyres, engine torque damper etc. The SS out of the box would run around 13.5 second over the same distance in ideal conditions. High 13s if you have a boot full of VB for your bogan mates on your way to the BBQ to watch the cricket.

For rolling speeds it would be closer and it wouldn't surprise me if in some rolling situations and in the right gear the extreme is similar or even better than the SS. As much as I like the Euro the fact is 530nm is a huge advantage even for a modded Euro to compete with.

[sodaz]

From the pricing i don't think many people will be going for the extreme package. Buying I/H/E + Reflash all in 1 go and shelling out $4000+ grand in cash is a pretty scary thing to do imo.

[Cranial]

True, 530Nm of the SS is a force to be reckoned with, even with the extreme package for the Euro. I remember reading some Motor magazine recently that the manual SS on the dyno was putting close to 300kW rather than the advertised 270kW - pretty awesome I must say. I should really test drive one to see how the difference in torque affects the driving (and yes, I know they are totally different cars!).

[yfin]

From the pricing i don't think many people will be going for the extreme package. Buying I/H/E + Reflash all in 1 go and shelling out $4000+ grand in cash is a pretty scary thing to do imo.

So who is actually buying extreme from here?

On the front page see how they say "Jtune products are engineered and tested..." Does that mean they are providing an engineering certificate for the modifications so they become road legal? I always assumed they would not provide such paperwork but now i am not so sure.

[aaronng]

From the pricing i don't think many people will be going for the extreme package. Buying I/H/E + Reflash all in 1 go and shelling out $4000+ grand in cash is a pretty scary thing to do imo.

If you price all the individual components separately by using comparable parts from aftermarket brands, it comes up to a similar price. Add up the prices for Toda headers, metal cat, K&N CAI and some dual muffler $1200 system and there is only about $500 left for ECU tuning. The reflash will give better gains than a VAFCii because of the ability to alter ignition and VTC, so in the end, this package eventhough is a lot of money, is not bad if you have the $4000 lying around.

$4000 is still less than the price of a set of 18" Rays CE28n and tyres. ;)

[fatfish]

for mild flash could any tuner tune the reflash to sue our mod, or we have to done by the hondata dealer. what if i add more mod like cam, or Sports Injection System pluse mod i had done with I/H/E will flash still work on my car?

[Peekay34]

No tuner without the neccessary means and ways of programming the Honda ECu could do it. You only have to look at how many people on the market that actually tune Honda Factory ECU's only one that I know of and that is Hondata themselves.

[aaronng]

for mild flash could any tuner tune the reflash to sue our mod, or we have to done by the hondata dealer. what if i add more mod like cam, or Sports Injection System pluse mod i had done with I/H/E will flash still work on my car?

No, you cannot tune the reflash. The reflash consists of settings which were tuned on a different system like a K-pro, and then ported over to the Euro's ecu where it is uploaded in 1 go by reprogramming.

[EUR003act]

ill take the plunge and get the reflash... i like the usuable increase in power (between 3-5000) and the fact theyve smoothed out the vtec curve (no drop with cams changing over)... i think itll go very nicely with my typhoon CAI, toda headers and exhaust.... hopefully make 145kw/atw

[Suntzu]

Do it this week man so i can decide before the october cut off. Im totally selfish of course.

[EUR003act]

lol but i have to take my ecu out and post it :(

i dont know how id handle it having my car off the road for 3-4days

[BiLL|z0r]

You're in Canberra, just drive down and back. Be quicker in the long run + you get to test it on the way back. :). Now that's an idea hay ;).

[tony1234]

As Aaron said if you want to mod your Euro this is the way to go.I'm going just for the intake and mild flash.An extra 20Nm ATW for $1400 i think is good value as i'm happy with the performance of my car as it is.

[jooboo]

20Nm for intake and mild flash, but you get an extra 60Nm (total of 80Nm) if you put on the extreme package with headers and exhaust, that’s like three times the difference or 300% more performance for 180% more money.

[E-Gene]

Yes but then you'll need to fork out another $2600. Spare change donation anyone?

Personally I'm going to either wait till I'm bored with my current mods then upgrade or just do the reflash on the mods I've got atm.

[mr747]

if the 350z falls though im getting the full package

[BiLL|z0r]

I'd like to see a dyno of mild flash with I/H/E. Lots of people already have other branded I/H/E setups and since they can't get the extreme without throwing away what they have. A mild flash might make huge differences as opposed to non-flashed.

[Pumped]

im in the same boat, really wanna see how the flash tune with different branded I/H/E goes.

Ive already got IHE, not sure which way to go :)

[EUR003act]

I'd like to see a dyno of mild flash with I/H/E. Lots of people already have other branded I/H/E setups and since they can't get the extreme without throwing away what they have. A mild flash might make huge differences as opposed to non-flashed.

you just quoted me to a T :D

yeah itll be interesting to see how it goes with other brands...

[yfin]

There was at one stage of development going to be a mid point or "stage 2" flash - not as conservative as the mild flash which can be used on stock cars. This stage 2 is for cars with at least an intake.

If there are enough people wanting it I would suggest you speak to them at Jtune - you might be able to convince them to release a flash that suits what you are looking for.

****
Hondata Hondatech Euro Flash Stage 2 – Hondatech Cold Air Intake or Similar, Standard Or Aftermarket Headers Systems, Standard Or Aftermarket Exhaust Systems

[EUR003act]

opinion: should i get lightweight flywheel and clutch? or mild reflash?

both around same price... any thoughts?

[yfin]

opinion: should i get lightweight flywheel and clutch? or mild reflash?

both around same price... any thoughts?

Lightweight fly and clutch is nice but I don't think it compares to mild and intake on bang for buck. As well as smaller gains elsewhere - mild and intake peaks at +15% more power between 5250 and 6250 as well as nice increases in torque from even 2000rpm. I can't see how something like that wouldn't be a decent improvement. You also get the increase of 200rpm in the rev limit which would help keep the revs up after the 1st to 2nd gear change.

[EUR003act]

Lightweight fly and clutch is nice but I don't think it compares to mild and intake on bang for buck. As well as smaller gains elsewhere - mild and intake peaks at +15% more power between 5250 and 6250 as well as nice increases in torque from even 2000rpm. I can't see how something like that wouldn't be a decent improvement. You also get the increase of 200rpm in the rev limit which would help keep the revs up after the 1st to 2nd gear change.

and the fact that vtec engages at 5000rpm means that once you get there every gear change will be within range :D

yeah i think i might go the reflash

[sodaz]

opinion: should i get lightweight flywheel and clutch? or mild reflash?

both around same price... any thoughts?

I reckon the lightweight flywheel is an excellent upgrade. Your butt dyno will feel it more than any bolt-on mod imo. It feels race car like cause the revs rise and drop so quickly.

[EUR003act]

I reckon the lightweight flywheel is an excellent upgrade. Your butt dyno will feel it more than any bolt-on mod imo. It feels race car like cause the revs rise and drop so quickly.

ill just get both then :p

guy at work reckons ill loose some mid range torgue with lightened fly, is that true?

[Chris_F]

I reckon the lightweight flywheel is an excellent upgrade. Your butt dyno will feel it more than any bolt-on mod imo. It feels race car like cause the revs rise and drop so quickly.

I agree. Lightweight flywheel did more than my I/H/E combined (in the first couple of gears anyway :p)

[Cranial]

I dont have I/H/E at all, but I do have a lightweight flywheel as well as a 5.125 final drive and LSD. Makes quite a big difference to the way the car accelerates.

[ALN]

I dont have I/H/E at all, but I do have a lightweight flywheel as well as a 5.125 final drive and LSD. Makes quite a big difference to the way the car accelerates.

damn, 5.1 final drive that's CRV one, rite? nice mods
how do you compare with the stock one ,compare in the rev climb and drop?

[ALN]

I agree. Lightweight flywheel did more than my I/H/E combined (in the first couple of gears anyway :p)

you can feel it on the highway esp how feel lighter the rev climb.:thumbsup:

[BiLL|z0r]

ill just get both then :p

That's the spirit :)

Wanna buy me 1 too ;)

[sodaz]

That's the spirit :)

Wanna buy me 1 too ;)

You'll need a manual version for that mod.

[Cranial]

damn, 5.1 final drive that's CRV one, rite? nice mods
how do you compare with the stock one ,compare in the rev climb and drop?

The Final Drive is a CL7 J's Racing one. The rev climb is faster obviously, and revs quite fast to the redline when flooring it compared to a stock. The revs also drop faster, but maybe not as fast as I thought it would. And top speed in each gear (noticable on 1st/2nd gear - I don't redline in 3rd!) is reduced slightly due to larger final drive.

[yfin]

^^ that sounds awesome - I have always thought a light fly with reduced final drive would be great. So what speed does 2nd gear top out now? Stock is way too high (around 105kph).

[Cranial]

Well, I know in 1st used to be around 60kph, now 1st goes to like 53-55kph. 2nd gear, close to 100kph but I haven't really redlined it too much and stared at the speedo to notice properly. ^^

[Suntzu]

A lower final would be good but I dont want to lower sixth for cruising.

So who has made an order an Jtune so far? Dont be shy!

[Merlin086]

I reckon I'll take the plunge...

.......wait a bit closer to runout date for the whole package, as a 10 week wait is more than likely I'd expect.

I'll think I'll just hang on to my dollars for a few more weeks yet. ;)

[Pumped]

Im thinking ill go for it to, not 100% sure yet, got a while to decide though :)

[N3M3SIS]

I'm thinking about it, but i've got a 06 Auto, with 4 years of warrenty left, so i don't know what the impact will be on the warrenty?
but i'm considering voiding it.

[ALN]

The Final Drive is a CL7 J's Racing one. The rev climb is faster obviously, and revs quite fast to the redline when flooring it compared to a stock. The revs also drop faster, but maybe not as fast as I thought it would. And top speed in each gear (noticable on 1st/2nd gear - I don't redline in 3rd!) is reduced slightly due to larger final drive.


I think the rev droping does has to do with the flywheel but it is a nice combination to change with higher FD.:thumbsup:
Have you ever try to get the top speed for the 5.1 FD? I was thinking to get 4.7 FD since I got to replace my clutch again.

[tony1234]

I'm thinking about it, but i've got a 06 Auto, with 4 years of warrenty left, so i don't know what the impact will be on the warrenty?
but i'm considering voiding it.
You'll have plenty of time to think about it cause like me you have an 06 so we'll have to wait even longer as the reflash is for 03-05 only.:(

[Merlin086]

You'll have plenty of time to think about it cause like me you have an 06 so we'll have to wait even longer as the reflash is for 03-05 only.:(

The 06 manual reflash I have been assured will be ready by the time the hardware is here, only a few extra dash lights to modify for apparently.......dunno about the auto though?

[tony1234]

The 06 manual reflash I have been assured will be ready by the time the hardware is here, only a few extra dash lights to modify for apparently.......dunno about the auto though?
You're right.It'll be ready(man.version) 6-10 weeks after the group buy closes(14th.Oct.).I read it wrong.:o

[ENVSSS]

Hey, just wondering if any of you guys out there that have their car as a test vehicle for the Extreme package to post a sound/video clip of the exhaust on your car?

[Lukey13]

Hey, just wondering if any of you guys out there that have their car as a test vehicle for the Extreme package to post a sound/video clip of the exhaust on your car?

That's a good question... No way would I fork out all that dough without having some kind of indication of how it sounds under low throttle as well as full throttle. It's such an important aspect of any performance mod. There's nothing worse than a bad-sounding exhaust note. :thumbdwn:

[pilotb777_300]

guys... I've been quietly following this hondata saga for a long time now... and I can honestly say I'm officially confused ! I understand that the extreme reflash will only happen if u have the Jtune products on there.. i.e the whole package... but what about the mild reflash with intake.. can it be any intake that I already have like a K&N typhon or does it have to be the Jtune one... ? sorry if the question has been answered b4 but this thread is too damn long... I may have missed something...

Thanks in advance...

[TRaNz]

Well word is that you can do that, you know K&N Typhoon and Jtune reflash, but you dont get max gain as you would with a Jtune intake, dunno wat the figure differences are, but thats wat James told me. Im in the same situation as you with the K&N Typhoon intake.

[yfin]

There are only 2 flashes - mild and extreme. The mild flash is for any Euro - stock or modded so you can use your existing intake.

[pilotb777_300]

Well word is that you can do that, you know K&N Typhoon and Jtune reflash, but you dont get max gain as you would with a Jtune intake, dunno wat the figure differences are, but thats wat James told me. Im in the same situation as you with the K&N Typhoon intake.

It would be intersting to know if the Jtune and K&N intake are really all that different...
I havent got the K&N yet, but I've heard good things about it and I've been for a drive with someone who has it... so I know what it sounds like.... but if theres gonna be a big performance difference between the 2 intakes then maybe its best to go for Jtune...

[TRaNz]

Yeah, if you dont have the K&N intake now, may aswell go the Jtune intake as its pricing is sorta similar to other intakes atm. I dont think there will be such a huge difference, just a little one though, but probably not physically noticable me thinks....

[pilotb777_300]

Yeah, if you dont have the K&N intake now, may aswell go the Jtune intake as its pricing is sorta similar to other intakes atm. I dont think there will be such a huge difference, just a little one though, but probably not physically noticable me thinks....

The problem with Jtune is when I called up, they said theres 8 weeks wait for an intake to get in, if I order now. I can get a K&N in about 6 days....

Has anyone actualy done the mild refash yet ? I wanted to go in the next 2 weeks and do it... I'm a little worried about being the first thought lol it would be good to get some feed back from someone whos NOT connected to Jtune

[EUR003act]

the Jtune intake is designed facing forward... so air is actually forced into the intake... unlike others that face down, requiring the air to be sucked in...

only problem is, on the luxury the intake is directly behind a driving light, so facing forward or down would make no difference, no air is gonna get forced in there!

that being the case, i see no noticable difference in the Jtune intake and others available. all brands give slightly different power gains (injen has 3" pipe and loses abit of power low down-k&n uses 2.5")

[pilotb777_300]

the Jtune intake is designed facing forward... so air is actually forced into the intake... unlike others that face down, requiring the air to be sucked in...

only problem is, on the luxury the intake is directly behind a driving light, so facing forward or down would make no difference, no air is gonna get forced in there!

that being the case, i see no noticable difference in the Jtune intake and others available. all brands give slightly different power gains (injen has 3" pipe and loses abit of power low down-k&n uses 2.5")

I've hear about that.... so if I understand this right, they're using the gap in the std model of the fog lights to force air into the intake ? or have I got this wrong ?
if thats the case, how do they stop water getting into the intake when ur driving in rain ?

[EUR003act]

i was thinking the exact same thing myself... if air is getting forced in... wouldnt water? lol

personnally i see no difference in which angle it faces... if youve ever looked behind your driving light (the space where the intake resonator sits) its basically a cocoon... air will be coming in from anywhere and everywhere...

[Suntzu]

The problem with Jtune is when I called up, they said theres 8 weeks wait for an intake to get in, if I order now. I can get a K&N in about 6 days....

Has anyone actualy done the mild refash yet ? I wanted to go in the next 2 weeks and do it... I'm a little worried about being the first thought lol it would be good to get some feed back from someone whos NOT connected to Jtune


All the above is my situation. I want their intake but didnt know it was delayed...bummer. I dont want to get the flash yet until someone here I know gets it..

I dont reckon there'd be much difference between intakes frankly.

[Suntzu]

Ok. Guys, you see we got a problem. Well i do.:eek:

There no actual product of the jtune being available for 6-10 weeks....so..ergo..if you want the cheaper intro price then you got to make a leap of faith and order it now..then wait.. then see if you actually like it.:zip:

Ive been waiting for someone here to get the flash and report in. Then I was going to get it. But no..thats not going to happen.No one going to get it until months AFTER the intro price closes.

So that why no one is posting here anymore. :wave:

No one got any info or updtaes cause there are none.

Can anyone here actual speak up and tell me if they have ordered anything yet?

Im umming and arring over the pre order...but its a leap of faith alright.

[aaronng]

I thought the mild reflash was ready and all you needed was to pay and get to one of their workshops to get your ECU reflashed? I thought the 2 month wait was for the extreme's hardware.

[tony1234]

I thought the mild reflash was ready and all you needed was to pay and get to one of their workshops to get your ECU reflashed? I thought the 2 month wait was for the extreme's hardware.
Not sure.I do know the reflashes(mild and extreme)for 06-07 will not be ready for 8-10 weeks.:(.Anyway i'm now only getting their intake and mild reflash and since there's no group disc.on that i'm waiting untill the product is available till i pay up.

[JunYu]

i'm willing to pay up front, but i havent got quite enough yet, also nothing for the 06 yet.

[sodaz]

I'm not getting any of the Jtune products until I get some impartial feedback. Paying in advance? Forget it....

[tony1234]

i'm willing to pay up front, but i havent got quite enough yet, also nothing for the 06 yet.
Apparently the 06-07 reflash is being worked on and will be available in approx.8 weeks for release at the same time as everything else.

[aaronng]

What about the 03-05? If an 03-05 owner were to rock up with cash for the mild reflash, can they get it ASAP?

[Pumped]

Nope, pretty sure theres a 8-10 week on all products

[aaronng]

That's not going to inspire confidence from any of us.

[jooboo]

Apparently the 06-07 reflash is being worked on and will be available in approx.8 weeks for release at the same time as everything else.

I read yesterday on the JTune news pages that they have finished the 06 07 and 08 ECU for the Automatic.

[pilotb777_300]

What about the 03-05? If an 03-05 owner were to rock up with cash for the mild reflash, can they get it ASAP?

I have an 03 Euro with a K&N intake and I rang up yesterday asking about the mild reflash.... I was told that theres at least 3 weeks wait.
To be honest I'm just about over it. I cant be stuffed anymore.... I'll just keep the car for another year till I get closer to 100 K and sell it off. Get something with more guts and easier to mod. Everytime I wana get something done to this car, its a headache. Either its not available or theres a 3 month wait...

[Suntzu]

I PM'ed james. There nothing, nada, nil for 6 weeks he said.

So im going to miss the pre-order price and wait for feedback. But im not paying anymore.

Its really silly cause its actually a pre-order of a pre-order. Its not buy now, get it cheaper, and tell others about it. Its buy now, wait, wait more, then see if you like it months down the track.

The discount for people like us, loyal and who have been waiting should apply for one month after its actually available and installed. Not well in advance.

[adammet04]

wha?

so the product is released but not available??

[Pumped]

Websites Up, products not released

[yfin]

Suntzu, I haven't driven the extreme pack (would like to!) but I would be surprised if you would be dissapointed with the extreme package on a bang for buck basis. You have seen the 1/4 mile, mph and power figures. Will it blow away an Evo or STI? Unlikely. Will it be close in straight line performance to cars like the Golf GTI, S2000, RX8 - probably yes especially when rolling if 100mph at the end of the 1/4 is anything to go by. So unless your expectations are way high I think you will be happy.

The biggest concern I had years ago during development of Jtune was the "fixed" nature of the reflash - eg if you want to return the car to stock. Now they have sorted out return to stock for a small fee it is good news.

Another concern I would have with the extreme pack is the the growing attention modified cars are getting by Police and the EPA. If the car is defected (say due to current or more stringent standards introduced) - what on earth do you do to fix it? It is a complete package. You can't fit another exhaust because the flash is designed for that exhaust. You can't fit another intake because the flash is designed for that intake. This is not Jtune's problem, but it is a growing problem for all modified vehicle owners and the fixed nature of the tune doesn't help.

So overall I think Suntzu you should go for it! I have spoken to Peekay personally and if he is happy with the results I dont' see why you wouldn't be either.

[Pumped]

"With regards to product availability it is still our aim to have products ship between 6 to 10 weeks after the closure of the pre order currently running"

so Its 6 to 10 weeks from the 12th of October!

Daaamn

[Suntzu]

Suntzu, I haven't driven the extreme pack (would like to!) but I would be surprised if you would be dissapointed with the extreme package on a bang for buck basis. You have seen the 1/4 mile, mph and power figures. Will it blow away an Evo or STI? Unlikely. Will it be close in straight line performance to cars like the Golf GTI, S2000, RX8 - probably yes especially when rolling if 100mph at the end of the 1/4 is anything to go by. So unless your expectations are way high I think you will be happy.

The biggest concern I had years ago during development of Jtune was the "fixed" nature of the reflash - eg if you want to return the car to stock. Now they have sorted out return to stock for a small fee it is good news.

Another concern I would have with the extreme pack is the the growing attention modified cars are getting by Police and the EPA. If the car is defected (say due to current or more stringent standards introduced) - what on earth do you do to fix it? It is a complete package. You can't fit another exhaust because the flash is designed for that exhaust. You can't fit another intake because the flash is designed for that intake. This is not Jtune's problem, but it is a growing problem for all modified vehicle owners and the fixed nature of the tune doesn't help.

So overall I think Suntzu you should go for it! I have spoken to Peekay personally and if he is happy with the results I dont' see why you wouldn't be either.

I'd love it im sure. But I cant make a business case for it. Just cause I have the money doesnt mean Im going to do it. Its cheaper for me to sell up and actually lease a new GTI than to spend $4500 achieving similar results from a 2 year old car. I can justify about $2000 but there no package at that price point.

[yfin]

I'd love it im sure. But I cant make a business case for it. Just cause I have the money doesnt mean Im going to do it. Its cheaper for me to sell up and actually lease a new GTI than to spend $4500 achieving similar results from a 2 year old car. I can justify about $2000 but there no package at that price point.

Fair enough - similar reason why I sold my Euro - more financial sense to take a company car.

[Omotesando]

"With regards to product availability it is still our aim to have products ship between 6 to 10 weeks after the closure of the pre order currently running"

so Its 6 to 10 weeks from the 12th of October!

Daaamn

Well funny thing is, if you have to pre-order the items you will have to PAY upfront first, even if its a discount.

For some reason, it sounds way too coincidental that anyone willing to pay first then wait, will get their products 6 to 10 weeks afterwards.

It is exactly the time they need to pay the manufacturers overseas and have the first batch of shipment load of stuff manufactured, then shipped over to here. I wonder who is paying for that first shipment. Hmmmmm.

And then, there could still be further delays on the final arrival of the product too. :o

[tinkerbell]

Websites Up, products not released

it never will be.

[Pumped]

it never will be.

Oh hey there,
Sup
captain negative

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[jooboo]

Oh hey there,
Sup
captain negative

http://www.escman.com/characters/neghed.gif

HEHEHEH Captain Negative ... what a laugh!

[tinkerbell]

sorry Pumped, i am just stiring...

this thread started BEFORE you even joined ozhonda, that is how long this saga has been going on...

i am just shocked this thing might one day get released! OMGLOLZ!

[ok2]

IMHO it seems that while the product is technically at least very good or maybe even excellent (hard to be sure) it's pretty certain Jtune is undercapitalised. Pity.

I too want one but no way am I pre-ordering.

[docker]

Yeah I'm agreeing with most of you guys about paying all the amount upfront and then having to wait for a product no one has reviewed. Don't like that.

I thought originally going back some years now when I first asked James about the Hondata ECU upgrade they were making an extreme ECU upgrade for the Euro no matter if you had aftermarket bolt ons like exhaust or headers already.

I was suprised to see when the product was released I could only get the mild ECU upgrade and if I wanted the extreme I needed to buy all the other JTune bolt ons, which means removing/selling most of the bolts on I have now ... so in affect I'd be paying for the same things twice.

I know JTune are trying to make money as all business should but if they were to release the extreme ECU upgrade only without having to buy the JTune bolt ons they would probably get a lot more buyers wouldn't they?

If I get an ECU upgrade and that's a big "IF" as there are too many unknowns at the moment it can only be the mild upgrade and that's a shame.

[badthing]

Yeah I'm agreeing with most of you guys about paying all the amount upfront and then having to wait for a product no one has reviewed. Don't like that.

I thought originally going back some years now when I first asked James about the Hondata ECU upgrade they were making an extreme ECU upgrade for the Euro no matter if you had aftermarket bolt ons like exhaust or headers already.

I was suprised to see when the product was released I could only get the mild ECU upgrade and if I wanted the extreme I needed to buy all the other JTune bolt ons, which means removing/selling most of the bolts on I have now ... so in affect I'd be paying for the same things twice.

I know JTune are trying to make money as all business should but if they were to release the extreme ECU upgrade only without having to buy the JTune bolt ons they would probably get a lot more buyers wouldn't they?

If I get an ECU upgrade and that's a big "IF" as there are too many unknowns at the moment it can only be the mild upgrade and that's a shame.

There's no way for an extreme reflash to be released without matching parts. All the Jtune parts are made to work together with the reflash taking advantage of the specific parameters of the Jtune package. That's why the mild reflash allows other aftermarket brands eg. Injen, K&N, Comptech to be used in conjunction. (There's a larger tolerance factored in.)

With the extreme package, the tolerances are tighter to enable a much higher performance boost (specific parts compliment each other, minimum 98RON fuel, Australian environment, etc). Only when the key factors are met (the Jtune package: I/H/E, cat, gasket, extreme flash) can Jtune guarantee the performance of their "Extreme package".

Really, you wouldn't turn up at a posh restaurant with a can of VB, ask them to cook the piece of rump you bought on special at the supermarket and expect the experience to be anywhere close to the same standard as what they normally serve (matching wine with food over several courses).

If you want to take advantage of your existing mods, then custom tune your car. The Extreme flash is not for you because that's tuned to work only with Jtune parts. As you can appreciate, it's not feasible for any company to do R&D on the countless combinations/packages possible for aftermarket parts.

[Merlin086]

Well, after much deliberation over this, I am committing myself. (maybe I should be ...lol)
I have never been a gambler, but am prepared to take a punt on this, someone has to be a guinea pig...lol


I am not looking at it as a business proposition, if so I would have bought a cheaper more economical car, and not modded at all.I've been driving uninspiring family hacks for a few years now as a matter of necessity.

Yes I admit,it is simply a matter of self indulgence, but the cars many of us drive are indulgent, along with many of the modifications we do. Damn it, a top end set of rims and tyres will set you back 4k, body kit 4k+, etc

Personally I have not touched my car mechanically, in anticipation of these mods since purchasing the car Dec 06.

I had considered purchasing another V6 accord, but the driver experience of the euro sold me, if only they offered the 177kw v6 in the euro....mmmm...and all that torque!


But honestly, despite their cashflow problems or whatever,
I am hoping that all their delays are behind them, hopefully having been sorted in the design and prototype manufacture stage. If not I am sure ther will be such an outcry that It would totally destroy their reputation.

As for the delay, I have purchased items from O/S before, had to pay up front and wait up to 10 wks, especially with customs involved.
I am sure many of you have spent 1K> on car parts from O/S with similar conditions.

Personally I am prepared to take the punt, save $800
and go for the extreme only because I have no engine mods to date.

I can understand the dilemma for all those who have already partially modded.......:confused:.......:thumbdwn:

Anyway...I'm gonna stick my neck out..:arrowr:

[badthing]

Good for you Merlin. My views are similar in that the goods purchased overseas are prepaid anyway and people spend easily $4K or more on suspension, rims, tyres alone so it's amusing to see people whinge. Interested to know how you go. I've budgeted money for a macpro workstation so I might miss out on the pre-order.

[tony1234]

Well, after much deliberation over this, I am committing myself. (maybe I should be ...lol)
I have never been a gambler, but am prepared to take a punt on this, someone has to be a guinea pig...lol


I am not looking at it as a business proposition, if so I would have bought a cheaper more economical car, and not modded at all.I've been driving uninspiring family hacks for a few years now as a matter of necessity.

Yes I admit,it is simply a matter of self indulgence, but the cars many of us drive are indulgent, along with many of the modifications we do. Damn it, a top end set of rims and tyres will set you back 4k, body kit 4k+, etc

Personally I have not touched my car mechanically, in anticipation of these mods since purchasing the car Dec 06.

I had considered purchasing another V6 accord, but the driver experience of the euro sold me, if only they offered the 177kw v6 in the euro....mmmm...and all that torque!


But honestly, despite their cashflow problems or whatever,
I am hoping that all their delays are behind them, hopefully having been sorted in the design and prototype manufacture stage. If not I am sure ther will be such an outcry that It would totally destroy their reputation.

As for the delay, I have purchased items from O/S before, had to pay up front and wait up to 10 wks, especially with customs involved.
I am sure many of you have spent 1K> on car parts from O/S with similar conditions.

Personally I am prepared to take the punt, save $800
and go for the extreme only because I have no engine mods to date.

I can understand the dilemma for all those who have already partially modded.......:confused:.......:thumbdwn:

Anyway...I'm gonna stick my neck out..:arrowr:
Make sure you wait till the day before the cutoff for the group buy(Oct.14th.i think)before you sign up!!

[aaronng]

We'll also be eagerly waiting for your review. :)

[Merlin086]

We'll also be eagerly waiting for your review. :)

Not too eager I hope......lol

[aaronng]

Not too eager I hope......lol

You'll be able to give an unbiased (except to your money) and unrestricted review since you are not bound by their NDA. :thumbsup:

[ENVSSS]

Like the rest of you guys I’m itching to get the upgrade, especially the extreme package. The only thing holding me back is the lack of feedback from those who have had their euro as test pilots for some time now. I would put my order in straight away if I even knew what the gear looked like on the car, mainly the exhaust. Other than a couple of shots on the Jtune website, that's all I’ve got to go off. It would be good to get some photos of a Jtune Euro or even a dodgy youtube vid of the exhaust.

[pilotb777_300]

hey guys quick question.... does anyone have any idea of 0-100 times for an 03 manual euro with K&N intake and mild ECU update ? I know it does about 7.6 sec 0-100 stock... is it wishfull thinking to expect anything around 7 sec flat or under ?

[EUR003act]

yeah it would be wishfull... you could get it to 7.5 maybe?

[pilotb777_300]

yeah it would be wishfull... you could get it to 7.5 maybe?

Damn :(

0.3 sec improvement thats not much fo almost 1500 bucks !

[EUR003act]

Damn :(

0.3 sec improvement thats not much fo almost 1500 bucks !

thats my guesstimat... why dont you buy them both and find out for us? :p

[pilotb777_300]

thats my guesstimat... why dont you buy them both and find out for us? :p

I've already got the K&N intake.... installed it on the weekend... to be honest it sounds nuts but I feel like I've lost power not gained it ! lol but maybe I was just expecting too much. or maybe the loss of low down torque is just gvin me the impresion of loss of power. As for the ECU, I shal be getting the mild one as soon as I can. last time I heard I was told 3 weeks wait. As soon as I get it, I'll let u guys know !

[EUR003act]

yeah i got k&n intake... sexiest sound ever! growls at people :p

dont worry u didnt loose power... maybe a lil torque down low, but minimal... i got 130.9kw atws with k&n SRI, removed centre muffler, custom earthing kit...

[pilotb777_300]

yeah i got k&n intake... sexiest sound ever! growls at people :p

dont worry u didnt loose power... maybe a lil torque down low, but minimal... i got 130.9kw atws with k&n SRI, removed centre muffler, custom earthing kit...

hmmmm maybe I should give the SRI a go... I've only had the intake for 2 days and I'm already avoiding rainy days! lol I'm too paranoid now about getting water in there :(

have u noticed that when u get high up in the RPM range and specially above 6K u can almost hear the air being sucked in almost like a slight whistle ? I'm worried I may have a leak somewhere....
I still cant get over the sounds difference but... its outta this world. I cant eblive ppl complain it too loud ! I turn off my music now while I'm driving so I can hear the growl !