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denot
01-10-2009, 03:21 PM
I have just found this:
http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/news-and-reviews/car-news/honda_accord_engine_problem_being_fixed
I suggest we bring it to the dealer and get them to fix it as Honda Australia has confirmed as said:
"A counter measure has been developed. We will receive it at the end of this month and will be contacting customers to recify their vehicles," says Honda Australia's spokesman, Mark Higgins.
See above link for more info.
LOL that article is old... in fact, it has been mentioned a few times on this forum.
Went to a dealer yesterday to claim warranty (oil leaked). Tell them about the ping issue. When I pickup, they said they've order my parts for oil leak and the pinging issue. It will be done together around 2 weeks time. :thumbsup: I've never report the pinging issue to them before...
quenjose
01-10-2009, 03:45 PM
the article is so contradictory...
"We're not sure if it's a specification specific. We don't know what the issue is, as yet," he says.
"But the good news is that we had an issue, and there is a counter-measure. It's an electronic or ECU issue, not a mechanical issue.
He clearly states that they still dont know what the problem is. If so, how can he then go on to say that its not a mechanical issue?
hence why he used the word "counter-measure", not fix.
In other words, heres a band-aid for now... we dont know what the problem is still (we might never know), but dont worry, your engine wont blow up... if it does, its probably due to something else...
pfft... just my opinion.
denot
01-10-2009, 03:52 PM
the article is so contradictory...
"We're not sure if it's a specification specific. We don't know what the issue is, as yet," he says.
"But the good news is that we had an issue, and there is a counter-measure. It's an electronic or ECU issue, not a mechanical issue.
He clearly states that they still dont know what the problem is. If so, how can he then go on to say that its not a mechanical issue?
hence why he used the word "counter-measure", not fix.
In other words, heres a band-aid for now... we dont know what the problem is still (we might never know), but dont worry, your engine wont blow up... if it does, its probably due to something else...
pfft... just my opinion.
your opinion is late by a few months. this article released on May, where they haven't known that the problem is with the knock sensor...
quenjose
01-10-2009, 04:04 PM
your opinion is late by a few months. this article released on May, where they haven't known that the problem is with the knock sensor...
lol... i'm sorry it wasnt earlier.
aaronng
01-10-2009, 04:55 PM
LOL that article is old... in fact, it has been mentioned a few times on this forum.
Went to a dealer yesterday to claim warranty (oil leaked). Tell them about the ping issue. When I pickup, they said they've order my parts for oil leak and the pinging issue. It will be done together around 2 weeks time. :thumbsup: I've never report the pinging issue to them before...
Where did your oil leak out from?
denot
01-10-2009, 04:57 PM
Where did your oil leak out from?
leaked from round rocker cover gasket and vtec solenoid
euro2009
01-10-2009, 05:30 PM
your opinion is late by a few months. this article released on May, where they haven't known that the problem is with the knock sensor...
Not too late as I just told them about that article and yes, the service department told me there has been a few known cases and have booked me in to have a test drive with the mechanic and order parts if deemed necessary. I am glad I found that and pointed that out so I suggest you do the same.
bub668
02-10-2009, 02:49 PM
I understand your feelings but it would appear it is important to separate Honda from the dealer in your case. The dealer has not treated you well at all. Have you called Honda Australia complaints to complain about them (and get a "call reference number" if you can). Would also suggest your write to them detailing your issues. Will carry more weight with them.
Also find another dealer to service your Honda if that is possible. Honda items are generally well engineered and built but they are not perfect so fail from time to time like anyone.
Rang Honda HQ twice and got a ref num, email them a number of time with completely no responses, no reply, no nothing...
I dont want to run around chasing people and begging them to do anything after paying 40 odd K to purchase a brand new car, I dont have time for that, I've got better things to do with my time .
I Know Honda makes great car ( I have numerous Honda before the CU2 )but if their customer service has gone to the dogs, then I will vote with my feet. I just bought a second company car last mth and this time I got a VW Tiguan for similar $. And the customer service is 3000 times better with Zero defect let alone pinging in the engine..
I pay for my euro with real $, not like I pay with it with fake cash, but I got a dead set lemon with zero customer service support. Thank Honda, u just lost me and my family as a customer 4ever.
lingamair
03-10-2009, 03:07 AM
At least u guys get a fix. Our official Honda rep wont touch the car.
denot
04-10-2009, 07:40 AM
I'm just wondering... With all this complaints frm the prev few pages, did u guys buy the car before the issue is acknowledge (bougt around 2008 - early 2009) or after we know that theres issue but u guys didnt resarch 1st? Just wondering data all
buddah51au
04-10-2009, 08:21 AM
I'm just wondering... With all this complaints frm the prev few pages, did u guys buy the car before the issue is acknowledge (bougt around 2008 - early 2009) or after we know that theres issue but u guys didnt resarch 1st? Just wondering data all
Yes, I was was fully aware of the problem before I got my CU2 & would make the same decision today without any hesitation. I regarded it as a minor problem that would eventually be resolved, which in my case it has been.
Fortunately my dealership go out of their way to solve any issues customers have, unlike some people who seem to get the run around from their dealers. All I can suggest to those people is to find another dealer.
Monza121
04-10-2009, 02:59 PM
Buddah,
what dealership do you go to? We should be posting the good dealerships so they get our business. That way the dealerships that don't care might re-think their customer service.
Monza
buddah51au
04-10-2009, 07:28 PM
Buddah,
what dealership do you go to? We should be posting the good dealerships so they get our business. That way the dealerships that don't care might re-think their customer service.
Monza
Happy to advise Gladstone Motor World, but probably too far for most of you to travel, about 6 1/2 hours north of Brisbane.
Euromob
04-10-2009, 07:47 PM
Hi Mr Buddah, so what do does your dealer/service center think of this pinging issue?
buddah51au
04-10-2009, 09:21 PM
They have acknowledged there is a problem & are firstly dealing with customers who have complained about it (apparently the knock sensor is still in short supply). Owners of CU2's without complaints will receive the software update only as their cars go in for routine service.
buddah51au
05-10-2009, 12:03 PM
Hi Buddah,
When you say that your dealer/service department has acknowledged that there is a problem, am I correct in assuming that you are referring to the pinging issue prior to the fix?
As you may already know, my issue and some other who have posted recently on this forum are complaining about the pinging issue after the fix was implemented.
Also, the subsequent lack of follow through by the service departments who are obviously following Honda Australia's recommendation to have their customers drive for 3 full tanks before they will do anything.
Yes, you are correct in that they have acknowledged the problem prior to the fix. Nothing was said to me personally about running 3 tanks of fuel, but in saying that i have only had the software update done (still waiting on a knock sensor). At this point in time I am very tempted not to have the knock sensor fitted as I have done almost 5,000km since the software update & have had no further issues (in saying that I think I did hear it on 1 occasion, but it was very brief & mild so I can't be certain).
3 tanks of fuel to relearn your driving style seems excessive to me as in my case it would be in excess of 2500km (I usually refill the tank after 850km minimum). I believe that recommendation would come from Honda Japan as all HA can do is follow instructions from the manufacturer.
primetimex
05-10-2009, 12:32 PM
OK guys, just got the CU2 back from the 10k's service and also had the "pinging campaign" done on it.
Software update done & knock sensor replaced: my CU2 had near full tank of BP Ultra in it when it had gone in for service. After the fix was applied, the pinging IS GONE.
I can still hear the pinging but it is EXTREMELY FAINT and I do have sensitive hearing. For all intents and purposes, the pinging problem has now been resolved.
Other than that the car seems to run smoother than ever with plenty of power and pull.
Dealer did not mention the learning phase etc and three tanks of fuel requirement...
primetimex
05-10-2009, 04:42 PM
Hi there Irving
Yeah, I know the car should absolutely not ping, but this is perhaps the best Honda can do under the circumstances and perhaps it'll be gone altogother in the MY10 CU2 ...
I think I'll drive the CU2 a bit harder this time and see what happens, after all it's already done 8000km's - might do a long trip down South and let's see what happens...
buddah51au
06-10-2009, 09:07 AM
Buddah, Thanks for your comments and update on the issue.
Primetimex, I read your comments with interest and am concerned when you state that “I can still hear the pinging but it is EXTREMELY FAINT and I do have sensitive hearing”. Well, the way I see it, a car should NOT ping.
Anyway, here is the latest update on my ‘issue’:
• As you all know the car absolutely pinged it’s head off when I first picked it up from the service department after the fix.
• I have driven 800kms on my first tank of Shell V Power 98RON (long trips). The driving style was HARD! Accelerating hard up steep hills and holding the rpms in the 5k to 6k range for the entire hill.
• I am at the end of my first tank and the low fuel light came on today. Well, the pinging has got a lot better. This may partly be due to my recent driving style….
• I will be taking the car up to the Blue Mountains this week for a drive and probably up the coast again to give the car another long run. Let’s see if I can ‘train’ this baby to behave.:cool:
Irving, If I lived in Sydney & wanted to give a car a good run there is only 1 trip I would do & it is a trip I always used to run a new car in. Go to Windsor, up the Putty Rd to Singleton, then Newcastle & back down the freeway, or the same trip in reverse. It is a great fun drive & you can really get into it in places.
OZEuromania
06-10-2009, 11:19 AM
Hi there Irving
Yeah, I know the car should absolutely not ping, but this is perhaps the best Honda can do under the circumstances and perhaps it'll be gone altogother in the MY10 CU2 ...
I think I'll drive the CU2 a bit harder this time and see what happens, after all it's already done 8000km's - might do a long trip down South and let's see what happens...
Hi mate,
I've just finished my trip to hunter valley after the fix, and it ran pretty well without any pinging. I drove hard during the trip, it didnt present at all. But unfortunately, the pinging comes back again this morning after the trip.
I drove very soft to work and it comes back 'quietly' with low rev. It's not as auditable as before though. So I guess it really doesn't matter if you drive hard and it might be the time to escalate to Fair Trading....
Joystick
06-10-2009, 03:49 PM
Hi mate,
I've just finished my trip to hunter valley after the fix, and it ran pretty well without any pinging. I drove hard during the trip, it didnt present at all. But unfortunately, the pinging comes back again this morning after the trip.
I drove very soft to work and it comes back 'quietly' with low rev. It's not as auditable as before though. So I guess it really doesn't matter if you drive hard and it might be the time to escalate to Fair Trading....
Have to agreed with the above Re: Pinging.
Had the fix. Took the car from Can-Syd-Can. Car drove well and no ping. However, driving around town today I could hear a faint ping. :(
VIDSEURO
06-10-2009, 03:49 PM
G'day Guys
I have had the new computer and knock sensor fitted 3 weeks ago.
My car has 13,000 km's.
Last week i completed 2,500 Km's driving to the Gold Coast.
There was ping at 120 km's accelerating up hills and also at some lower speeds.
These noises were less audible then before and a reasonable improvement.
Unfortunateley im not satisfied with this as i am a car enthusiast and love to rev the euro and dont wish to hear any ping shyte noises.
I will be writting to the Dealer principle and also submitting another complaint / feedback through the Honda website.
I will be asking them to revisit my car and explain why the car still has this noise. I have completed more than 3 tank fulls of 98 RON.
Remember this is not a fuel related problem, but using higher octane has its benefits except the price sucks:thumbdwn:
I stand corrected on this but i understand none of the earlier Euro models had
ping issues (please correct me someone)
My suspicions are simple the extra power tweaked from the Vtec has had some dramatic impact on certain manual and auto cars.
Could it be some sabotage on the assembly line :eek:
Anyhow im hopeful Honda will find a way to keep us as customers happy.
Its been a long road with this issue and the best we can do is keep sending the emails and letting them know when the problem goes away.
My pinging has definitely improved 80 %.
For me to be fully satisfied it will need to be 100 percent..
I hope to post some fuel consumption figures for your shortly...:thumbsup:
albii
06-10-2009, 04:27 PM
Guys, if you are past your 3rd tank, and the pinging issue is not resolved 100% you should report the issue to the dealer/service and ask them to contact Honda Australia for further direction from Honda Japan.
I suspect that we will need to work together to get this issue resolved....
True, this is unacceptable from any new car let alone a Honda.
The pinging hampers performance and effects the way you would like to drive your car.
FFS everyone knows the K24 likes to rev and i feel that people would be hesitant to do this on a car that pings even if it is post combustion.
Pull your finger out Honda, your customers are ex cl9 and other Honda owners and this is gonna leave a bad taste.
I wish we had the lemon laws like the U.S does.
BatRambo
07-10-2009, 10:57 AM
OK, here is my update too.
Had the fix applied (knock sensor + SW) nearly a month ago or 4000 km (more than 3 tanks of fuel)
I just came back from 2000km trip to GC. When I took the car, after the fix there was no ping at all..... well gues now... it started again, it's nothing to compare with the pinging in the past, but in between 1800 and 2200 rpm I can hear the well known pinging noise :(
I think guys, we should do something and take this matter to HA or even DFT
buddah51au
07-10-2009, 12:01 PM
Here is the latest as of this morning. I received a phone call from my Dealer yesterday asking me to bring my car back for the revised update. After telling them that i was happy after the original software update they informed me it had been superseeded, so the car went back this morning.
Firstly the knock sensor was replaced which involves removal of the intake manifold, a fairly strait forward process.
The software update is now a 3 stage update that has to be done in a certain sequence for each of the 3 stages. Apparently they had a few dramas with the first few cars they did learning the proper sequence for each of the 3 stages, but now they have the routine sorted out it is a 3 hour process. The other thing I was told is that they have trouble with some ECU's not recognising the software update which apparently causes some issues. Fortunately that was not the case with my ECU.
So I guess the learning process starts again, so I will update again after 3 tanks of fuel.
BatRambo
07-10-2009, 03:01 PM
Well, They did my 10,000km service and the knock sensor + SW update in 2.5 hours!
Go figure.....:confused:
Ping + 10k service = 2.5h, LOL.... thats funny
for me, they asked me to bring the car in the morning and leave it whole day
denot
07-10-2009, 03:20 PM
What is even funnier is that they said that they did an engine flush (without changing the oil filter) + fuel treatment and they charged me nearly $300 :eek:
LOL, one other reason why I never do my service @ honda dealer...
BatRambo
07-10-2009, 03:22 PM
What is even funnier is that they said that they did an engine flush (without changing the oil filter) + fuel treatment and they charged me nearly $300 :eek:
Yes, thats really funny. And your dealer is .... ?
We can add him into SHAME LIST LOL
BTW, do we have a shame list? if not, maybe its time to make one :)
nickxau
07-10-2009, 03:45 PM
btw, do we have a shame list? If not, maybe its time to make one :)
...+1
primetimex
07-10-2009, 03:47 PM
Ping + 10k service = 2.5h, LOL.... thats funny
for me, they asked me to bring the car in the morning and leave it whole day
Yeah, the whole day for me as well for the 10k Service and the Pinging Campaign. Takes ages apparently to update ECU software as they have only one machine available to do it!
buddah51au
07-10-2009, 03:48 PM
All I can say Irving is they seen you coming, you were had big time. The 10,000km service by the book calls for oil change only, no filter. As for engine flush & fuel treatment, that is total BS at that milage.
Regarding the Update I had today, all I can say is I was with the Technician the whole time. there was no time wasting at all, 3 hours 5min start to finish.
I will add that as a licensed mechanic I do my own servicing, changing oil & filter every 5,000km. Genuine oil & filter costs me $58.30 plus about 1 hour of my time. I will change Auto fluid every 20,000km & that is a simple process.
VIDSEURO
07-10-2009, 07:59 PM
[QUOTE=buddah51au;2503574]All I can say Irving is they seen you coming, you were had big time. The 10,000km service by the book calls for oil change only, no filter. As for engine flush & fuel treatment, that is total BS at that milage.
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G'day Buddah
where is the oil filter located in the cu2.
It does not seem to be obvious to me.
Do i need to place the car on a hoist or will ramps do.
I value your input mate :thumbsup:
buddah51au
07-10-2009, 08:48 PM
[QUOTE=buddah51au;2503574]All I can say Irving is they seen you coming, you were had big time. The 10,000km service by the book calls for oil change only, no filter. As for engine flush & fuel treatment, that is total BS at that milage.
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G'day Buddah
where is the oil filter located in the cu2.
It does not seem to be obvious to me.
Do i need to place the car on a hoist or will ramps do.
I value your input mate :thumbsup:
Put the car on ramps, (I use a floor jack) there are 7 bolts you will need to remove (10mm socket) so you can get the undertray off. sump bolt is obvious, oil filter is on the bottom drivers side of the engine.
buddah51au
07-10-2009, 09:00 PM
Well, I think it is 'normal' practice for this dealership to overcharge in order to pay for all the suits sitting around....
Was the engine flush done? probably not but it souds good and many in that locality won't question it....
Guys, I am no Mug....but sometimes we like to see the better side of people and give them the benefit of the doubt. Only to be dissapointed....
First lesson Irving is when you take your car any where for service you need to specify as per log book, no additives, & please phone me before doing any additional work.
I would be looking for another dealer, or better still an independent licensed workshop.
euro2009
07-10-2009, 11:18 PM
First lesson Irving is when you take your car any where for service you need to specify as per log book, no additives, & please phone me before doing any additional work.
I would be looking for another dealer, or better still an independent licensed workshop.
What about NRMA Motoserv - is it any good ?
buddah51au
08-10-2009, 07:05 AM
What about NRMA Motoserv - is it any good ?
I always refrain from commenting on individual workshops as everything thing depends on the work ethics of the individual employees, not the name of the company. Any company is only as good as the people they have working for them.
In saying that, basic log book servicing is childs play for any licensed mechanic
buddah51au
08-10-2009, 07:32 AM
Buddah, I will be using an independent workshop next time (once bitten)....
As for the 3 hour procedure for the ping fix, is this a new procedure or did they take short cuts and do the bare minimum?
What worries me now is that if the fix was done in an unspecified manner, the known issue of post combustion detonation may have morphed into something different.
Look, if they ****ed up the ping upgrade by doing it in an unspecified manner the new pinging problem may not be post combustion detonation!
I can only go by what I was told Irving. As I have posted previously i had the software update done originally on the 10th August & was happy with the outcome, even without the knock sensor replacement at that time.
I was called back to the dealer yest for a further update. I was told that this new software update supersedes the previous version & has now been replaced by a new 3 stage update that changes all previous software parameters, including Auto shift points. It is a 3 stage process and has to be done in a set sequence to achieve the full benefit. Apparently the first car they applied this to was a nightmare as the technicians need to learn the correct process which is not outlined clearly in the TSB. That car was in the workshop for 8 days before the Technician worked out the proper sequence. (fortunately I was not the guinea pig)
Other than that I can't comment further, other than to say I have not noticed any difference in my car as I have only done 30 gentle km on the way home, but I will post my finding after I have put some km's on it. It is possible i will have a trip to Gosford for Xmas - 1400km each way, so that will tell the story.
denot
08-10-2009, 11:15 AM
Ok, mine is booked next Tuesday (fix the Oil leak and Pinging noise). Will let you guys know how it goes... The dealer sed it will took the whole day to fix both problem, so they asked me to drop the car in the morning and pick up later before close time.
mikhaelnen
08-10-2009, 01:18 PM
Booked in for the fix next thursday, drop in the car for 2 days for other issues fix as well. Get a loan car from the dealer until i pick up my car.
actcueuro
08-10-2009, 02:01 PM
Well, mine is in the workshop today. They said whole day (and I dropped the car in early!). For those that may have read my previous post, my dealership had said that they will need the car for as much time as possible as they had ONLY DONE 1 FIX so far.
Today, I dropped the car off and said I wanted to pick up when ready. The reply was "Well, I'll put down 2pm, but it's unlikely because the pinging fix will take some time. Your car is the first we're going to do!"
AAARRGGGGHHHHHH!!
Anyways, so I say, but your boss standing next to you said to me last week that I'd be the second, and they say (honestly!): "Well, the first was actually done by a Honda Tech who was showing our service techs how to implement the fix properly."
So...will post back with an update soon!
BTW...mine is in for 10,000kms + Ping + my handbrake lever has horizontal play (anyone else? there are a few that I know of).
denot
08-10-2009, 02:17 PM
Booked in for the fix next thursday, drop in the car for 2 days for other issues fix as well. Get a loan car from the dealer until i pick up my car.
wow! did u get a loan car for free?
mikhaelnen
08-10-2009, 02:36 PM
YUP, the dealer get one of their demo car for me as a loan car for FREE.
Went in for the 1st service 3 weeks ago (with some fix to be done), identified that pinging issue present, booked in for the fix on 24/09/09. But on 24/sep, they said they have no record for the car to be fixed (because the mechanics who service my car the first time had left and he has not order the parts from HA), but i left my car there for fixing other minor issues. Was offered an Euro Base with Modulo Kitas loan car, but i requested to have a Civic Si .
Then, they call me yesterday to have the car fixed next Thursday. Will drop in the car for 2 days and get another loan car. Been very happy with my dealer. :)
denot
08-10-2009, 02:44 PM
YUP, the dealer get one of their demo car for me as a loan car for FREE.
Went in for the 1st service 3 weeks ago (with some fix to be done), identified that pinging issue present, booked in for the fix on 24/09/09. But on 24/sep, they said they have no record for the car to be fixed (because the mechanics who service my car the first time had left and he has not order the parts from HA), but i left my car there for fixing other minor issues. Was offered an Euro Base with Modulo Kitas loan car, but i requested to have a Civic Si .
Then, they call me yesterday to have the car fixed next Thursday. Will drop in the car for 2 days and get another loan car. Been very happy with my dealer. :)
nice! which dealer is it? (PM me if you dont mind :thumbsup:)
actcueuro
08-10-2009, 02:57 PM
Why PM? Name and shame the bad ones, and let's praise the good ones!
I've just had the phone call to say mine is ready. Just waiting for the wife to pick me up now so I can go pick up my car.
Youngster
08-10-2009, 04:11 PM
Ok, mine is booked next Tuesday (fix the Oil leak and Pinging noise). Will let you guys know how it goes... The dealer sed it will took the whole day to fix both problem, so they asked me to drop the car in the morning and pick up later before close time.
How long did you have to wait until the service department booked you in for the pining fix?
denot
08-10-2009, 04:12 PM
How long did you have to wait until the service department booked you in for the pining fix?
I've reported it last Tuesday.
Youngster
08-10-2009, 04:14 PM
I've reported it last Tuesday.
Can you please PM me which dealer?
euro2009
08-10-2009, 09:53 PM
Please see attached pDF file - Acura released this bulletin for all TSX model which is equivalent to Honda Euro in Australia, for the exact same problem we all have been having so maybe you should print it out and show it to your dealer.
euro2009
08-10-2009, 09:58 PM
Please see attached pDF file - Acura released this bulletin for all TSX model which is equivalent to Honda Euro in Australia, for the exact same problem we all have been having so maybe you should print it out and show it to your dealer.
If your dealer does not have the instructions, this PDF has all the instructions to update the software/knock sensor - lol
I will show them this bulletin this coming Monday when I take my car in for a checkup on this same issue.
Applies To: 2009 TSX – ALL
2010 TSX L4 – From VIN JH4CU2...AC000001 thru JH4CU2...AC009053
furythree
09-10-2009, 01:42 AM
BTW...mine is in for 10,000kms + Ping + my handbrake lever has horizontal play (anyone else? there are a few that I know of).
what dealership are u at?
i just had my 10k service today. but it wasnt at a dealership but at a authorised honda mechanic. only cost $120 for oil and filter change =)
log book stamped.
my handbrake lever needs to be pulled up higher than usual to be effective. whats horizontal play?
dannyt123
09-10-2009, 02:09 AM
Does anyone know which dealerships in melbourne are the better ones? thanks.
buddah51au
09-10-2009, 05:04 AM
Please see attached pDF file - Acura released this bulletin for all TSX model which is equivalent to Honda Euro in Australia, for the exact same problem we all have been having so maybe you should print it out and show it to your dealer.
The TSB I read at my dealership is much more detailed than that, buy ty for the information
Joystick
09-10-2009, 05:10 PM
I had to get my handbrake adjusted at the 10k service. Would take 8-9 clicks before it would start holding.
On my second tank and still have a faint ping. :(
4gkoobrewop
11-10-2009, 07:29 PM
i ordered my MY10 CU2 Accord Euro and asked the dealer regarding the auto pinging issue and he kindly told me that it has been fixed by updated firmware on the car... will check it out in 2 weeks on my new car
mtbrider
11-10-2009, 07:49 PM
Hopefully my pinging (rattle) is gone. Seems all good the dealer told me they had actually put in a new ECU. I questioned him when he said that and asked was it re mapped and he said no it was a totally new ECU.
It is a much better car to drive without that crap rattling all the time.
I might even start to enjoy driving it after a year of hating it.
Joystick
11-10-2009, 10:57 PM
I must say the pinging sound is pretty terrible through 4k-7k RPM (after the fix). Half way through my second tank and I'm pretty dissappointed with the 'fix'. Don't have much of a ping from 1k-4k RPM but above that = :(
Gonna raise this with Honda tomorrow....
euro2009
12-10-2009, 01:39 PM
If your dealer does not have the instructions, this PDF has all the instructions to update the software/knock sensor - lol
I will show them this bulletin this coming Monday when I take my car in for a checkup on this same issue.
Applies To: 2009 TSX – ALL
2010 TSX L4 – From VIN JH4CU2...AC000001 thru JH4CU2...AC009053
Went in for th ping service - Mechanic went on a test driver with me and within a 1min - he confirms the issue and I also showed him the Bulletin from Acura and yes, he confims HA also receives similar bulletin.
Just have car back from dealer and the pinging noise seems to have gone now. Will do few more days of driving and update:
They replaced: Knock Sensor,Inlet Manifold Gasket and update ECU upgrade as well as A/T ECU upgrade and did a re-learn procedure. Also replace my distorted front speaker.
euro2009
12-10-2009, 01:41 PM
Went in for th ping service - Mechanic went on a test driver with me and within a 1min - he confirms the issue and I also showed him the Bulletin from Acura and yes, he confims HA also receives similar bulletin.
Just have car back from dealer and the pinging noise seems to have gone now. Will do few more days of driving and update:
They replaced: Knock Sensor,Inlet Manifold Gasket and update ECU upgrade as well as A/T ECU upgrade and did a re-learn procedure. Also replace my distorted front speaker.
One more thing, the mechanic does not even bother asking me which type fuel I have been using.
If you got a new ECU then I'm pretty certain all your keys will need to have been programmed for it. That is if they didn't have your spare (assuming you get a spare with a CU2) key then check it works i.e. remote unlocks doors, starts engine. Mine required this when the ECU was replaced though it was for a CL9.
My guess is they fed you BS but if it is fixed then all good.
Hopefully my pinging (rattle) is gone. Seems all good the dealer told me they had actually put in a new ECU. I questioned him when he said that and asked was it re mapped and he said no it was a totally new ECU.
It is a much better car to drive without that crap rattling all the time.
I might even start to enjoy driving it after a year of hating it.
One more thing, the mechanic does not even bother asking me which type fuel I have been using.
hello euro2009, I've been following this pinging noise post for a while and am new to posting.
I was interested in which dealer to take my Euro to get this pinging noise fixed.
Would it be possible that you pm me where you took it as your dealer sounds like they know what they're doing and have fixed the problem and I happen to live in Sydney too!
Thanks in advance!
BatRambo
13-10-2009, 07:15 AM
hello euro2009, I've been following this pinging noise post for a while and am new to posting.
I was interested in which dealer to take my Euro to get this pinging noise fixed.
Would it be possible that you pm me where you took it as your dealer sounds like they know what they're doing and have fixed the problem and I happen to live in Sydney too!
Thanks in advance!
If you trust the dealer you bought the car from... would be the best option.
Type R Positive
13-10-2009, 10:20 AM
One more thing, the mechanic does not even bother asking me which type fuel I have been using.
I wouldn't ask either lol. It's a known issue regardless of fuel type, and people just lie anyways.....
Type R Positive
13-10-2009, 10:21 AM
I believe the problem is now resolved in my Euro.LOL! Gone from wanting to tear honda HQ a new ass to problem solved.... :p
denot
13-10-2009, 11:01 AM
Well Mr R, If you were a little smarter, you would realize that a new car should not ping. Even after the fix.:p
so is it really gone now?
euro2009
13-10-2009, 01:46 PM
I wouldn't ask either lol. It's a known issue regardless of fuel type, and people just lie anyways.....
Yeah that is excatly my point - it should have nothing to do with fuel type.
Sludge
13-10-2009, 04:14 PM
Yeah that is excatly my point - it should have nothing to do with fuel type.
I had the fix today, new knock sensor and software update to the engine and transmission. The dealer tested the car again today before the fix and confirmed the ping was present and then again after to confirm it was gone, No issues on the way home all seems good so far.
As far as the fuel goes my dealer wouldn't book the fix until they had done a fuel test to make sure I was running on a minimum of 95RON. Why would they waste their time if it wasn't important?
mikhaelnen
13-10-2009, 09:45 PM
Ok, mine is booked next Tuesday (fix the Oil leak and Pinging noise). Will let you guys know how it goes... The dealer sed it will took the whole day to fix both problem, so they asked me to drop the car in the morning and pick up later before close time.
Hi, denot
How's your fix? Do they able to return the car to you today?
denot
14-10-2009, 08:03 AM
Hi, denot
How's your fix? Do they able to return the car to you today?
no Mikhael... they said they missing a part of the intake manifold that they going to change as well (there's 4 of them, but they only received 3 from the delivery from Jap.) so I have to wait another 8-10 working days to order the last one. They also sed, the ECU reprogram will be done after the knock sensor and the new manifold is installed.
NOTE: in the work description they gave me, it says "parts on order to rectify post combustion noise from engine. Units/Qty: 0.25" :p LOL!!!
VIDSEURO
14-10-2009, 04:56 PM
Hey Guys
I was called by Ken from Honda Australia today this was in response to my
second complaint after having the new computer and nock sensor fitted.
The noise is not as prominent but its still there.
Ken advised there are no further fixe's or corrections in the pipeline from HA.
So i just asked for him to send me an email with some confirmation
of our conversation.
Anyhow im happy in a half hearted way :confused:, but will keep monitoring it if the problem worsens, which i believe it won't..
The euro is a solid car, goes like shyte of a stick and has
amazing economy.
So that's the story , im sure dudes out there have lots of worst shyte:eek:
to deal with their cars...
All the best guys...
buddah51au
14-10-2009, 07:03 PM
no Mikhael... they said they missing a part of the intake manifold that they going to change as well (there's 4 of them, but they only received 3 from the delivery from Jap.) so I have to wait another 8-10 working days to order the last one. They also sed, the ECU reprogram will be done after the knock sensor and the new manifold is installed.
NOTE: in the work description they gave me, it says "parts on order to rectify post combustion noise from engine. Units/Qty: 0.25" :p LOL!!!
Denot, I would say they are refering to the inlet manifold gaskets of which 4 are requiered.
To my way of thinking the pinging issue has been resolved & is no longer an issue. It is just a matter of those with cars effected with the problem to book their cars in with dealers. To my knowledge the requiered parts are still in short supply.
So that's the story , im sure dudes out there have lots of worst shyte:eek:
to deal with their cars...
Me is happy CL9 owner. No shyte! :)
denot
15-10-2009, 08:19 AM
Denot, I would say they are refering to the inlet manifold gaskets of which 4 are requiered.
To my way of thinking the pinging issue has been resolved & is no longer an issue. It is just a matter of those with cars effected with the problem to book their cars in with dealers. To my knowledge the requiered parts are still in short supply.
yes buddah! what was i thinking? did I sed "Intake"? LOL :p
VIDSEURO
16-10-2009, 10:22 AM
Gday Guys
Here is the email i recieved today for your information.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dear Mr XXXXXX
Thank you for your email providing feedback on your Honda Accord Euro's performance after completion of our post combustion sound upgrade.
We have noted your comments regarding the performance of your vehicle and that you are still able to detect some level of post combustion sound under certain driving conditions, albeit much reduced from before the upgrade was applied.
Field testing and customer feedback has confirmed the countermeasure to be most successful. However, as with most automotive vehicles, depending on type of fuel used, operating temperatures and conditions, some minor sound may be intermittently experienced and this would be considered normal operation.
Notwithstanding your comments have been noted and we are happy for the dealer to continue to monitor your vehicle's condition on your behalf.
Thank you once again for your feedback which is greatly appreciated.
Regards
HONDA AUSTRALIA PTY LTD;)
bk212
16-10-2009, 06:33 PM
^^^ Well that is absolute bullsh!t. Mine is also still making a slight noise (albeit reduced) and really isn't causing me too much angst any more. But to say it is "as with most automotive vehicles" and "intermittent" is absolute rubbish. And it is not normal operation. It is very abnormal in my experience. It is definitely not fuel dependent in my car either.
This just smacks of butt covering by HA. I note they call it a post combustion "sound" rather than a "noise" - I had one ridiculous dialogue with my dealer where every time I called it a "noise" he corrected me and said "it's not a noise, it's a sound". FFS!
buddah51au
16-10-2009, 06:41 PM
That would be a standardreply Vid. I find it a little unusual that the update is working on the majority of cars, but you say you still have a very slight noise. Could I ask under what condititons you notice it - RPM, engine load, speed, etc. Is it constantly repeatable under certain driving conditions, or intermittant?
As you say, a great car that unfortunately had a small technical problem which isn't all that unusual with the first of a new model run. The CL9 was great car, but the CU2 is a huge leap forward in all areas.
oscarluoinau
16-10-2009, 10:14 PM
Greetings guys, I had my CU2 patched for the pinging problem yesterday. According to the service record I got back, a new knock sensor and 4 inlet manifold were changed, and the ECU was updated. So far it has worked, no more noise is heard, but will keep my eyes on it and keep you posted.
bub668
19-10-2009, 10:45 AM
Happy 2 report, they finally bloody fix the pinging issue after lots of debacle.
Its not nice and peaceful..After pinging for over 13 mths.
mikhaelnen
19-10-2009, 12:16 PM
Have my car fixed on Friday and get the car to drive from Sydney -> Windsor -> Singleton -> Newcastle on Saturday, back to Sydney on Sunday. Thank buddah for providing the "trainning" route. The route is really fun to drive, and I guess it train the car well, my wife love the scenary as well. I am happy with the fix so far, smoother, more responsive.
The mechanics said the pinging is fixed, some people might get 90% less pinging and that is fine. He did mentioned about the car re-learn phase for a few tanks, but didn't mentioned about the fuel type regarding to my case. Although he said fuel type will generally help.
Travelled 500+ km since the fix, no pinging so far. Happy. :)
Will update again after 1000+ km.
primetimex
19-10-2009, 12:26 PM
Still the same here with VERY slight pinging noise after the fix etc - only time will tell whether it gets louder at the moment it's fine as it is doesnt bother me as much as I used to.
I think this may be the last time I buy a Honda sedan - my next car in say 5 years or more will probably be non-honda, goodbye 4-cylinders and pinging noises and whatnot!
aaronng
19-10-2009, 01:02 PM
I think this may be the last time I buy a Honda sedan - my next car in say 5 years or more will probably be non-honda, goodbye 4-cylinders and pinging noises and whatnot!
And then say hello to V6 problems. :p
I drive a commodore now but still keep my Euro. :)
buddah51au
19-10-2009, 02:48 PM
Have my car fixed on Friday and get the car to drive from Sydney -> Windsor -> Singleton -> Newcastle on Saturday, back to Sydney on Sunday. Thank buddah for providing the "trainning" route. The route is really fun to drive, and I guess it train the car well, my wife love the scenary as well. I am happy with the fix so far, smoother, more responsive.
The mechanics said the pinging is fixed, some people might get 90% less pinging and that is fine. He did mentioned about the car re-learn phase for a few tanks, but didn't mentioned about the fuel type regarding to my case. Although he said fuel type will generally help.
Travelled 500+ km since the fix, no pinging so far. Happy. :)
Will update again after 1000+ km.
your very welcome mate, its a great drivers road providing you treat it with respect, not so much fun with a 26ft caravan behind u though. that road used to be my playground in my young days.
Sludge
19-10-2009, 03:23 PM
your very welcome mate, its a great drivers road providing you treat it with respect, not so much fun with a 26ft caravan behind u though. that road used to be my playground in my young days.
Seem to remember getting caught behind a 26ft caravan on the Putty Road, about 1976 I think. So that was you Buddah!
denot
19-10-2009, 03:24 PM
Seem to remember getting caught behind a 26ft caravan on the Putty Road, about 1976 I think. So that was you Buddah!
LOL mr sludge... how old r u now? :p
buddah51au
19-10-2009, 06:12 PM
Seem to remember getting caught behind a 26ft caravan on the Putty Road, about 1976 I think. So that was you Buddah!
A little before my time Sludge old boy, more likely late 90's.....lol
WATAJK
19-10-2009, 06:47 PM
Does anyone know which dealerships in melbourne are the better ones? thanks.
Eastern honda is who i recommend to anyone in melb
buddah51au
19-10-2009, 06:57 PM
Still the same here with VERY slight pinging noise after the fix etc - only time will tell whether it gets louder at the moment it's fine as it is doesnt bother me as much as I used to.
I think this may be the last time I buy a Honda sedan - my next car in say 5 years or more will probably be non-honda, goodbye 4-cylinders and pinging noises and whatnot!
Primetime, please allow me to respond to your comment, & those with similar thoughts from a technical point of view. What I am about to say is not meant to be offensive to anyone, rather to inform those outside the industry how problems like this are dealt with within the industry.
Firstly, cars like the Accord Euro are low volume sellers, i would guess around 100 cars a month Australia wide, but i stand correcting on that figure. Honda Australia being strictly importers of a product would have very little, if any input into into the design specifications of the car.
In this case there was a problem with engine pinging on some vehicles under certain driving conditions. I think the CU2 was released in June 08, so lets hazard a guess that it was 4 to 6 weeks before HA started to get some feedback on this problem. They would have noted it at that time but needed more feedback to realise that in fact the was a definate problem, so I would hazzard a guestimate of 6 months before they had sufficient complaints to contact Honda Japan to let them know there was a definate problem over a number of vehicles.
From there Honda Japan would have sent over a couple of technicians to evaluate the cars under Australian conditions. From there they would have gone back to head office in Japan with thier findings. They would then have to replicate the problem within their technical department, probably on both an engine dyno & a chassis dyno. That would be the easy part, but time wise probably about 9 months after the release of the car in this country.
Once they could isolate the problem & find the cause, they then have to find a remedy and try different components, design & test those components until they found a suitable solution. That would have covered the replacement knock sensor we are getting. They then have to rewrite the software which turned out to be a comprehensive update, this would not have been a 5 minute job. Once they felt they had found a remedy for the problem a few technicians would have returned to Australia, applied the update to a few cars and extensively road tested those cars. I believe it would have taken 2 or 3 efforts of the above process until they were happy that they had a suitable update that could be released through the dealerships.
The update has been available now for about 2 months, so that would be 14 months after the initial release of the CU2, but more than likely about 8 months since they were notified of the problem by Honda Australia. (these time frames are approximate). After spending more time in the industry than I care to admit, i am personally suprised they found a solution as quick as they did.
They are my thoughts alone and I am not affiliated in any way with Honda. I have seen many worse problems than we have faced on cars far more expensive than a Euro that have never been solved.
Sludge
20-10-2009, 11:20 AM
LOL mr sludge... how old r u now? :p
That's classified, but it was my first car a 74 Mazda 929.
albii
20-10-2009, 11:30 AM
Primetime, please allow me to respond to your comment, & those with similar thoughts from a technical point of view. What I am about to say is not meant to be offensive to anyone, rather to inform those outside the industry how problems like this are dealt with within the industry.
Firstly, cars like the Accord Euro are low volume sellers, i would guess around 100 cars a month Australia wide, but i stand correcting on that figure. Honda Australia being strictly importers of a product would have very little, if any input into into the design specifications of the car.
In this case there was a problem with engine pinging on some vehicles under certain driving conditions. I think the CU2 was released in June 08, so lets hazard a guess that it was 4 to 6 weeks before HA started to get some feedback on this problem. They would have noted it at that time but needed more feedback to realise that in fact the was a definate problem, so I would hazzard a guestimate of 6 months before they had sufficient complaints to contact Honda Japan to let them know there was a definate problem over a number of vehicles.
From there Honda Japan would have sent over a couple of technicians to evaluate the cars under Australian conditions. From there they would have gone back to head office in Japan with thier findings. They would then have to replicate the problem within their technical department, probably on both an engine dyno & a chassis dyno. That would be the easy part, but time wise probably about 9 months after the release of the car in this country.
Once they could isolate the problem & find the cause, they then have to find a remedy and try different components, design & test those components until they found a suitable solution. That would have covered the replacement knock sensor we are getting. They then have to rewrite the software which turned out to be a comprehensive update, this would not have been a 5 minute job. Once they felt they had found a remedy for the problem a few technicians would have returned to Australia, applied the update to a few cars and extensively road tested those cars. I believe it would have taken 2 or 3 efforts of the above process until they were happy that they had a suitable update that could be released through the dealerships.
The update has been available now for about 2 months, so that would be 14 months after the initial release of the CU2, but more than likely about 8 months since they were notified of the problem by Honda Australia. (these time frames are approximate). After spending more time in the industry than I care to admit, i am personally suprised they found a solution as quick as they did.
They are my thoughts alone and I am not affiliated in any way with Honda. I have seen many worse problems than we have faced on cars far more expensive than a Euro that have never been solved.
You're well informed mate.Apparantly a few owners got a brand new replacement car and their cars got taken to japan and dismantled and prodded to locate the exact issue and find a fix.
primetimex
20-10-2009, 11:36 AM
Thanks for your feedback buddah, very much appreciated and informative.
To be fair, pinging issues aside, there are other issues unrelated to pinging which has happened to me during the time I owned the Euro's (CL9 before and CU2) that have annoyed me to no end.
You're quite right as well that HA is just importers of the car and thus no input into its design specs - this leads again to other points that I have raised elsewhere in the forum but I won't mention here at the risk of going OT.
Well fingers crossed, let's see what happens from now on, I think the pinging fix is as good as it gets for the time being.
buddah51au
20-10-2009, 12:31 PM
That's classified, but it was my first car a 74 Mazda 929.
Sludge old boy......got you covered there, my first new Car was a 1970 VW Beetle.....lol. got that after my first car....an FJ holden finished up in 2 pieces
buddah51au
20-10-2009, 12:34 PM
You're well informed mate.Apparantly a few owners got a brand new replacement car and their cars got taken to japan and dismantled and prodded to locate the exact issue and find a fix.
I had no information on that at all, it was pure speculation knowing how the industry works. The time frames i mentioned were just guesstimates
Jubes70
21-10-2009, 12:14 PM
Primetime, please allow me to respond to your comment, & those with similar thoughts from a technical point of view....
... That would have covered the replacement knock sensor we are getting. They then have to rewrite the software which turned out to be a comprehensive update, this would not have been a 5 minute job. ....
....The update has been available now for about 2 months, so that would be 14 months after the initial release of the CU2 ....
So - should I be concerned ..... I took delivery of a new Accord Euro Luxary Navi, from the first shipment of MY10 models arrived in September. Took it in for it's 1000km service today, and mentioned that I heard a rattle when the car was accelerating at low speed. Have to take it back for 6 hours when they get in a new knock sensor. Notes on the service sheet say 'post detination noise'
BatRambo
21-10-2009, 12:29 PM
So - should I be concerned ..... I took delivery of a new Accord Euro Luxary Navi, from the first shipment of MY10 models arrived in September. Took it in for it's 1000km service today, and mentioned that I heard a rattle when the car was accelerating at low speed. Have to take it back for 6 hours when they get in a new knock sensor. Notes on the service sheet say 'post detination noise'
It all starts with "rattle when the car was accelerating at low speed" dude :)
or it was about "V" ..anyway, new SW and knock sensor will fix it in 90%
buddah51au
21-10-2009, 12:38 PM
So - should I be concerned ..... I took delivery of a new Accord Euro Luxary Navi, from the first shipment of MY10 models arrived in September. Took it in for it's 1000km service today, and mentioned that I heard a rattle when the car was accelerating at low speed. Have to take it back for 6 hours when they get in a new knock sensor. Notes on the service sheet say 'post detination noise'
I wouldn't be concerned, the replacement knock sensor & software update takes about 3 1/2 hours. In my case - (i can't speak for others) the pinging issue was more prevalent at low RPM -2000 to 3000 RPM
Jubes70
21-10-2009, 12:42 PM
I wouldn't be concerned, the replacement knock sensor & software update takes about 3 1/2 hours. In my case - (i can't speak for others) the pinging issue was more prevalent at low RPM -2000 to 3000 RPM
But if I read through some earlier posts, the problem with the sensors and firmware has been rectified, yet brand new cars (MT10) off the production line, still have problems? So - is my car really a brand new MY?
BatRambo
21-10-2009, 12:44 PM
But if I read through some earlier posts, the problem with the sensors and firmware has been rectified, yet brand new cars (MT10) off the production line, still have problems? So - is my car really a brand new MY?
It is brand new, but still same engine mate.
I had the fix applied on mine month ago and I can still hear the ping in some cases
Noobs_for_life
21-10-2009, 01:49 PM
i read through most of the pages ....... :)
but has any1 tried to tune the noise out, chuck on a fuel controller and some dyno time to see what AFR's are?
albii
21-10-2009, 07:30 PM
i read through most of the pages ....... :)
but has any1 tried to tune the noise out, chuck on a fuel controller and some dyno time to see what AFR's are?
Shouldn't have to (even though this is a way to fix).
BTW, had my car done today. Will take it for a spin shortly to futsul to see if has been fixed as my wife picked up the car.
albii
21-10-2009, 07:34 PM
I had no information on that at all, it was pure speculation knowing how the industry works. The time frames i mentioned were just guesstimates
Well it was pretty spot on , as it was explained to me by a service tech.
buddah51au
21-10-2009, 08:48 PM
i read through most of the pages ....... :)
but has any1 tried to tune the noise out, chuck on a fuel controller and some dyno time to see what AFR's are?
I spent some time on the Dyno & checked everything out. I forget what the readings were but everything was within specs.
praja6
21-10-2009, 11:10 PM
HI all,
this means My10 EUro still got this pinging issue?
I thought My10 EUro models Honda rectrified this issue already..
Thanks
Jubes70
22-10-2009, 07:46 AM
HI all,
this means My10 EUro still got this pinging issue?
I thought My10 EUro models Honda rectrified this issue already..
Thanks
That was my understanding too, so I was happy to buy one, now that after 1000km service I reported an issue, and I have to take it back for the knock sensor to be replaced. So that's why I'm wondering, do I really have an MY10, or is it a MY09. If I thought I could see the build plates, it would help - but I'm a chick, I don't live to crawl into an engine bay :-)
buddah51au
22-10-2009, 08:25 AM
That was my understanding too, so I was happy to buy one, now that after 1000km service I reported an issue, and I have to take it back for the knock sensor to be replaced. So that's why I'm wondering, do I really have an MY10, or is it a MY09. If I thought I could see the build plates, it would help - but I'm a chick, I don't live to crawl into an engine bay :-)
Just lift up your left hand windscreen wiper & you will see the buil date stamped inside the windscreen.
Jubes70
22-10-2009, 08:31 AM
Just lift up your left hand windscreen wiper & you will see the buil date stamped inside the windscreen.
Thanks for that! Just went and checked, and it says Aug 09, so now it will be interesting to see what Honda says about when the bug free ones rolled off the production line.
Jubes70
22-10-2009, 09:03 AM
Hey Guys,
I would like to name and shame. Not just to vent but to warn other Honda owners to go somewhere else.
Monza
Can you communicate in this forum off line, so you don't have to name it in a public arena?? I went to a Dealership for the 1000km service, close to where I work (not the one I bought the car from). There was a queue a mile long of people wanting to check in their cars, some guy waiting far to patiently to be dropped off at the station - so not a good level of their service.
Then after I picked up the car - I noticed later that the lining of the front bumper bar hadn't been realigned properly, and the wax hadn't been wiped off/buffed properly - so it looked all scratched. If it wasn't 5pm, I would have gone straight round to the dealership and had a go!
Mine's finally booked in for tomorrow, after 10 months of being stuffed around...
I noted that there was a "Tune" drive that a few members took there cars on after the fix, can anyone provide more info...
denot
22-10-2009, 03:42 PM
The 'tune' drive that Buddah suggested is Sydney > Windsor > Singleton > Newcastle > Sydney down the freeway. I haven't done this yet, but am planning this next week (if time permits).
hey irving beside the great road up there on putty rd, is there anything else to do if I want to bring wifey n son and stay for a night? Or should I stay @ newcastle?
buddah51au
22-10-2009, 03:42 PM
H.T, I simply did lots of freeway driving up the Coast. There are lots of hills on the F3 which allowed for the engine to be put under maximum load. The logic being, that ECU will have to make the necessary adjustments in order to eliminate the pinging.
The 'tune' drive that Buddah suggested is Sydney > Windsor > Singleton > Newcastle > Sydney down the freeway. I haven't done this yet, but am planning this next week (if time permits).
you should enjoy that drive Irving, I regard it as 1 of the better drivers roads in the country, just treat it with respect & hope there are not too many slow vehicles around. If you choose to avoid going to Newcastle, Stop at a tiny town called Bulga, just after you go through a section called the 10 mile. There is a small servo/restaurant on the left heading north. have a break there & do a U turn & go back the same way. Much more fun than the Freeway, & you can give the car a real workout.
Glad to hear your pinging issue has been resolved, but then again I have been saying all along that it would be sorted out.....no offense meant, although I could understand the frustration of non technical people.
buddah51au
22-10-2009, 05:48 PM
hey irving beside the great road up there on putty rd, is there anything else to do if I want to bring wifey n son and stay for a night? Or should I stay @ newcastle?
Denot, there is absolutely nothing between Windsor & Singleton. It wouldn't be until you got to Maitland area that you would find decent Hotels & places to eat.
Bear in mind the Freeway entry is before you get to Newcastle proper.
denot
23-10-2009, 08:22 AM
^^ THanks buddah n irving, which part of putty rd is the most interesting one? near bulga or before?
dang! 4 hrs driving and no interesting stopping point? I dont think my baby boy can handle it... :(
buddah51au
23-10-2009, 11:18 AM
Denot, my favorite part of the Putty Rd is a section called the 10 mile which finishes just south of Bulga, although it would depend on your driving skills, lack of other traffic & how hard you want to push it. As you have an Auto, i would leave it in sports mode through that section & use your paddles, personally I would only be using 2nd gear for 90% of that section of road. But in saying that, there are good sections of road all the way.
A 4 hour non stop run, just getting warmed up mate. it's 15 hours from here to Gosford
You can always do a search on you tube for putty road, that will give you an indication of what to expect
Zapped
23-10-2009, 01:32 PM
Does anybody know if the new software and knock sensor will be replaced on all CU2 as they come for service at the Honad dealers?
I bought a Euro Lux Navi in January this year (buid date Oct 08) and have been lucky enough not to hear any pinging in the 8,000Km that I have done so far. This being the case, I was wondering if I should ask for the software upgrade at the 10,000Km service.
Thanks in advance for your opinion
denot
23-10-2009, 02:00 PM
Does anybody know if the new software and knock sensor will be replaced on all CU2 as they come for service at the Honad dealers?
I bought a Euro Lux Navi in January this year (buid date Oct 08) and have been lucky enough not to hear any pinging in the 8,000Km that I have done so far. This being the case, I was wondering if I should ask for the software upgrade at the 10,000Km service.
Thanks in advance for your opinion
They will check if yours have the noise or not. if not, they couldnt be bothered to the updates
buddah51au
24-10-2009, 10:52 AM
They will check if yours have the noise or not. if not, they couldnt be bothered to the updates
That is not necessarily the case Denot. I am not sure of HA's position on this or if it is the dealers choice. My dealer will be doing the whole update (software & knock sensor) for those who complain of the problem, otherwise all vehicles will get the software update alone as they come in for servicing.
IPPacket
27-10-2009, 03:41 PM
Well, just picked up my brand new MY10 Luxury 5sp Auto this morning. No sign of any pinging which I am so happy about. Took it for a spin up Mount Cootha, put the A/C on full (to help load up the engine), put it in sport mode and tested out aceleration at all different revs...could not find a fault.
Having never owned a Honda before, it was nice to discover what happens around 4000 rpm :cool:
I'll be keeping an ear out in the coming weeks, but seems OK for now.
hondar
27-10-2009, 04:05 PM
just replaced mine last week. pinging gone :D
furythree
27-10-2009, 04:51 PM
just came back from the dealer jsut now. pinging issue gone! speakers fixed tooo!
it was so quick
dropped it off in the morning and had lunch and it was already time to pick it up. when i got there the guy was like yeh we fixed it ill bring the car out now. im like thats it? and hes like...well yeh...
giving me the "what else do u want? a hug?" expression
no documentation no nothing. thats normal right? i also happened to notice they didnt stamp my logbook for my 1000km service but they gave me a printout.
and there was a bit of plastic from some packaging that was poking out from a gap on the edge of my door. im assuimg it happened when they opened it to install speakers. but a random bit of plastic makes me wonder why and what got caught inside....
denot
27-10-2009, 05:27 PM
^^^ furry, your dealer seems dodgy...
1. Any warranty claim done on the car has to have a job desc print out
2. Log book need to be stamp
3. They left wat????
buddah51au
27-10-2009, 07:56 PM
Well, just picked up my brand new MY10 Luxury 5sp Auto this morning. No sign of any pinging which I am so happy about. Took it for a spin up Mount Cootha, put the A/C on full (to help load up the engine), put it in sport mode and tested out aceleration at all different revs...could not find a fault.
Having never owned a Honda before, it was nice to discover what happens around 4000 rpm :cool:
I'll be keeping an ear out in the coming weeks, but seems OK for now.
MY10 should have the pinging issue resolved as part of the MY10 update.
You will find the sweet spot for performance is between 4000 to 6000, don't be afraid to give it a good workout now & then when conditions are appropriate, Just make sure everything is up to operating temp (not just your temp gauge).
buddah51au
27-10-2009, 08:07 PM
^^^ furry, your dealer seems dodgy...
1. Any warranty claim done on the car has to have a job desc print out
2. Log book need to be stamp
3. They left wat????
Denot, I need to correct you there, a dealer is only obliged to give you a receipt for the service, they do not need to give you receipt for warranty repairs.
Agree about log book stamp, but the 1000km service is just a check over. The first official service is not due till 10,000km (which I think is too long). He should just keep his receipt & request a stamp at his next service.
Plastic behind the door trim could be left over from shipment when all door trims are covered in pastic -no drama there.
EH VTi
28-10-2009, 12:13 AM
I finally got around to getting the Euro in for a service and to have the pinging and speakers fixed.
All I can say is that it is sooooo good not to hear that damn pinging any more.
The car feels more responsive and I might be going crazy but the auto seems to be shifting different (better). Maybe they reset the engine and it is re-learning my pattern but so far me like..!!
And the speaker replacement was a breeze. Done without question.
kimnkk
28-10-2009, 03:29 AM
How can you tell if your speakers are blown? Would an audio noob definitely know if something was up? :o
denot
28-10-2009, 08:01 AM
How can you tell if your speakers are blown? Would an audio noob definitely know if something was up? :o
dunno about "blown" but most of CU2 speaker problem is that you can hear the sound/bass distorted... I'm an audio noob, but I notice this because its soooo annoying (especially when you hear RnB music with good bass)
kimnkk
28-10-2009, 08:07 AM
dunno about "blown" but most of CU2 speaker problem is that you can hear the sound/bass distorted... I'm an audio noob, but I notice this because its soooo annoying (especially when you hear RnB music with good bass)
Ahh ok i dont remember being annoyed but i'll have to check it out when i get back thanks :D
EH VTi
28-10-2009, 09:27 AM
you will definitly know something is wrong..
It's hard to describe the sound as its not the same as when a speaker is blown, but for me and others that I know who had the problem heard it more during the talking in between songs than through the music although if the music was rap or rnb involving alot of talking then it was a pain.
nickxau
28-10-2009, 12:55 PM
How can you tell if your speakers are blown? Would an audio noob definitely know if something was up? :o
Please refer to this (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121079) dedicated thread about CU2 speakers.
HunterZero
28-10-2009, 12:58 PM
Having never owned a Honda before, it was nice to discover what happens around 4000 rpm :cool:
iVTEC just kicked in, yo?
- HZ
chris41
28-10-2009, 02:38 PM
nice to discover what happens around 4000 rpm
even better at 5k being the stage3 changeover. :)
chris41
30-10-2009, 10:32 AM
Had the knock sensor and SW upgrade completed under warranty yesterday with the 12month/20k service. No pinging evident now.:thumbsup:
Euro707
30-10-2009, 02:12 PM
.....my first post here.
I purchased my new Euro in June 09. This is my second Euro. In between I had a Subaru Liberty Spec B. This car had loads of grunt-fun to drive BUT rode really hard and was super thirsty.
I first notice the pinging on the Euro coming up Mt Ousley. I thought it may have been the fuel -so switched from 95RON to 98RON.
No change. Then it started to really annoy me! I wrote to Honda Aust. Got a lame reply back from Customer Service basically saying-not our problem. See your dealer. After spending $46,500 -this response did not impress me. So I wrote back and cc the MD of HA. Again another pap response.
Went to the dealer. They were onto it. Knew that it existed. Booked the car in.
It is 95% fixed. I still occasionally hear it ( windows down and booting it) But overall -a Happy Ending.
This should never of happened in the first place. My comment to HA is that -they should have called all 09 owners to say the problem may exist -now lets fix it. Good Customer Service is all about "anticipating the needs of the customer" NOT hoping like hell no one complains !
This is my 4th Honda. Up to now loved the brand and the vehicles.
In fact -still do. I'm not that precious!. The 09 Euro is a treat to drive. Love it.
Occasionally,I still miss the Liberty up Mt Ousley-the S# with the paddles was awesome ! But don't miss pulling up at the bowser twice a week.
Cheers and thanks for the tips.
OranparkAddict
31-10-2009, 02:34 PM
Well everybody I havent been on here in a while. I am here too let you know that my parents pinging problem is fixed!!! It sounds so unusual that it just creeps past 2500rpm and changes gears!! It was done under warranty and it was just new knock sensors that fixed it. Havent noticed a change in fuel economy or 'go' but now as least its not embarrasing when you drive past someone on the street.
Now just to get the handbreak readjusted which was 'replaced' by dealer at 15000 service. Not to mention middle cup holder cover rattling when open and the annoying rattle in parcel shelf.
I'll try and keep updated on here now
chris41
02-11-2009, 10:36 AM
For those curious, power and fuel economy (based upon the trip comp.) appears to be identical after the fix. It is an added pleasure to drive with the pinging sound cured.:thumbsup:
primetimex
02-11-2009, 12:10 PM
For those curious, power and fuel economy (based upon the trip comp.) appears to be identical after the fix. It is an added pleasure to drive with the pinging sound cured.:thumbsup:
For me fuel economy has gotten a lot worse - from 10.4 to 10.7 and now 10.8!
I don't think my driving style has changed so I'm not sure what's gone wrong there!
LOL 4cyl engine consuming close to 11L/100km!!!
denot
02-11-2009, 12:41 PM
LOL 4cyl engine consuming close to 11L/100km!!!
my Civic FD2 consume 11L/100kms. With CU2, I've got 12.5L/100kms
bk212
02-11-2009, 12:59 PM
Not to mention middle cup holder cover rattling when open
Cup holder rattling is probably the little silver insert being loose - I have had this on 2 CU2's. First one I fixed with a touch of araldite, second was replaced by the dealer under warranty.
buddah51au
02-11-2009, 01:11 PM
For me fuel economy has gotten a lot worse - from 10.4 to 10.7 and now 10.8!
I don't think my driving style has changed so I'm not sure what's gone wrong there!
LOL 4cyl engine consuming close to 11L/100km!!!
and i complain when my wife drives the car & averages between 8.5 & 9....... lol
BatRambo
02-11-2009, 03:30 PM
For me fuel economy has gotten a lot worse - from 10.4 to 10.7 and now 10.8!
I don't think my driving style has changed so I'm not sure what's gone wrong there!
LOL 4cyl engine consuming close to 11L/100km!!!
LOL, u still good. Mine was 12.1 after the fix.
Then after 30K service dropped, dunno why to 11.6
Before the fix it was around 10.3
denot
02-11-2009, 04:15 PM
^^^ hmmm changes in fuel consumption? No good...
Anyway, i'll c u on wed nite eh mr batrambo?
BatRambo
02-11-2009, 04:21 PM
^^^ hmmm changes in fuel consumption? No good...
Anyway, i'll c u on wed nite eh mr batrambo?
yup fuel consuption is changing and yes, will see you there
primetimex
02-11-2009, 05:23 PM
and i complain when my wife drives the car & averages between 8.5 & 9....... lol
That's still goodddd :thumbsup: I guess compared to 10+ and 11+ L/100k's we're getting with the CU2s around here ...
I think after the fix and all that reprogramming the CU2 seems to be livelier - there seems to be no flat spots in the throttle or days where the car seems to be non responsive ...
denot
02-11-2009, 07:00 PM
Just done mine today, and the result so far is fantastic...
buddah51au
02-11-2009, 07:24 PM
Slight fuel consumption variations would be normal from 1 week to the next. 1 or 2 extra cold starts, a few more red lights, variations in traffic conditions all play a part. Has it been raining? driving on wet roads increases fuel consumption. Even filling at different bowser's where the car may be on a different angle will effect how much fuel it takes to fill it. I believe the only true way to gauge fuel consumption is to take an average over a minimum 5,000km, that way you have a true average.
Even having a different driver in the same car can make a big difference, for example I drive faster than my wife, but she averages a minimum 2L/100km more than I do driving on the same roads.
How many CU2 owners out there set trip B & run it until it automatically resets at 10,000km? If all CU2 trip computers read the same just add 0.3L/100km to the figure displayed to get a fairly accurate reading. Trip B on mine has just ticked over 9,100km & is reading 6.6, so 6.9 would be more like a true average.
mikhaelnen
03-11-2009, 10:35 AM
My car just passed 1000km after the fix. Did hear pinging at 4500rpm just once, going uphill. Very very very minor sound is audible when accelerating at low rpm. Anyway, just an update, quite happy about it. :)
swork
03-11-2009, 08:11 PM
had mine done about 3 weeks ago. 1st few days all was fine, since then i can hear the noise occasionally, maybe once a trip. today while accelerating from the lights it was pretty loud in 2nd gear but then dissapeared on the rest of the trip.
overall i'd say much better than before, but not quite there yet.
is it just me? i never get under 10L/100km. i live in the suburbs and i never hammer the car
buddah51au
03-11-2009, 09:57 PM
I would suggest averaging 10L/100 in the suburbs is a good effort, it's a lot different than country driving where speed is constant & very little stop/start driving.
denot
04-11-2009, 08:35 AM
For those who've got the fix but still pinging after 2-3 refueling, will/have any of u go back to the dealer to complain again?
furythree
05-11-2009, 07:05 PM
My car just passed 1000km after the fix. Did hear pinging at 4500rpm just once, going uphill. Very very very minor sound is audible when accelerating at low rpm. Anyway, just an update, quite happy about it. :)
same here only heard it once uphill.
but other than that it may be just me cause ive been at home all week and havent driven it much. But i noticed alot more responsiveness and better fuel consumption
merlin1967
06-11-2009, 07:23 AM
Hi everyone, my wife and I are strongly considering buying an Euro but with this PING problem are not sure what to do.
Is the problem still there on newly released cars?
BatRambo
06-11-2009, 07:52 AM
Hi everyone, my wife and I are strongly considering buying an Euro but with this PING problem are not sure what to do.
Is the problem still there on newly released cars?
I would say every Euro no matter new or already fixed will have the PING problem, but thats my personal opinion. However, pinging or not, trust me.... you want this car !!!
denot
06-11-2009, 08:00 AM
^^^ agreed
nickxau
06-11-2009, 08:36 AM
I was deciding between the Mazda 6 and the Euro when I was looking for a new car. I was very well aware of the engine pinging issue back then but apparently the M6 had a steering issue!? At the end of the day I chose the Euro as the engine pinging was only an aural issue whereas I would classify a steering problem as a safety issue.
Euro - you can't go wrong.
Euro707
06-11-2009, 05:39 PM
Hi everyone, my wife and I are strongly considering buying an Euro but with this PING problem are not sure what to do.
Is the problem still there on newly released cars?
I bought my Euro in June-discovered the PING after the sale !:thumbdwn:
BUT.........it has been 95% fixed and the car is tops any way.
If I were you-I would drive the Salesman hard ( on price) on this Pinging issue. If he says its a NON ISSUE -turn on your heels and find another dealer.
Out of all this I still reckon HA:honda: need a good boot up the exhaust.
BatRambo
06-11-2009, 05:44 PM
Heya Guys,
just collecting some information.
How many of you had the "E10 Compatible" sticker removed from your fuel cap. Small yellow sticker.
So far its me and H.T.
had mine removed without any permission at time of PING fixing
buddah51au
06-11-2009, 06:16 PM
The pinging problem is no longer an issue now that the update has been rolled out for 08 plated vehicles. I do not believe there is an issue with 09 plated vehicles. While it was an annoying issue for most of us it was never a detrimental problem.
As for using E10, I will never consider it while ever I have a choice in the matter.
orion76
06-11-2009, 07:10 PM
Heya Guys,
just collecting some information.
How many of you had the "E10 Compatible" sticker removed from your fuel cap. Small yellow sticker.
So far its me and H.T.
had mine removed without any permission at time of PING fixing
yes mine too, shifty buggers they failed to mention any changes to fuel type
nickxau
06-11-2009, 08:38 PM
Heya Guys,
just collecting some information.
How many of you had the "E10 Compatible" sticker removed from your fuel cap. Small yellow sticker.
So far its me and H.T.
had mine removed without any permission at time of PING fixing
IN... teresting... didn't notice when I last filled up... gonna check soon... :confused:
Edit: Mine's still intact... albeit a bit banged up from the "poping mechanism" of the fuel door.
Guys, not sure about the rest of you however, despite two fixes applied to my car, it still pings. Whilst no where near as bad as it was, the reality is, it still pings. Especially when the weather is hotter.
I run the car on 98 Octane (BP Ultimate) and still find that it pings on occassions. I have raised this with Honda on numerous occassions and they are now telling me that there is no further fix. Is this Right ? If so, then they have certainly sold me a dud. Are you all experiencing the same.
Would be interested in your feedback around this as it has driven me insane. Huge dissapointment. I have actually raised the issue with the Department of Fair Trading to be honest given Honda' s stance on this whole issue and a rep from the DFT will be test driving the car.
I'm also considering going to the media as I honestly feel that I have had the wool pulled over my eyes. An absolute disgrace. 13 months for a fix to be applied and it only minimises/disguises the issue. What a joke.
Does anyone else feel this way ? I certainly would not tell my friends or family to purchase this vehicle. Nice looking car and nice to drive but it pings. What a lemon!
Your thoughts would be appreciated as I'm looking to take this further if not resolved by Honda. Alternatively if you guys think I'm wasting my time let me know.
Anyone want to Buy my car ? Ha ha Only 11000Km's (top of the range)
seriously, I'm considering getting rid of this vehicle given this whole experience and Honda's pathetic stance and service. I'll never buy another Honda again that's for sure.
Im interested in your feedback.
Thanks.
buddah51au
24-11-2009, 09:33 AM
I have done over 7,000km since the update & have had no further issues with pinging. 13 months to come up with a solution is quicker than I expected. I don't know of a better car on the market than a Euro in the price range. As I have said many times Honda Australia & their dealer network can only follow service/warranty updates that are recommended by Honda Japan.
I would not buy anything other than a Honda unless I win lotto.
denot
24-11-2009, 09:42 AM
1500km ish after the updates, still no pinging here...
Bilt, what colour is your car? :p
bk212
24-11-2009, 01:02 PM
Guys, not sure about the rest of you however, despite two fixes applied to my car, it still pings. Whilst no where near as bad as it was, the reality is, it still pings. Especially when the weather is hotter.
I run the car on 98 Octane (BP Ultimate) and still find that it pings on occassions. I have raised this with Honda on numerous occassions and they are now telling me that there is no further fix. Is this Right ? If so, then they have certainly sold me a dud. Are you all experiencing the same.
Would be interested in your feedback around this as it has driven me insane. Huge dissapointment. I have actually raised the issue with the Department of Fair Trading to be honest given Honda' s stance on this whole issue and a rep from the DFT will be test driving the car.
I'm also considering going to the media as I honestly feel that I have had the wool pulled over my eyes. An absolute disgrace. 13 months for a fix to be applied and it only minimises/disguises the issue. What a joke.
Does anyone else feel this way ? I certainly would not tell my friends or family to purchase this vehicle. Nice looking car and nice to drive but it pings. What a lemon!
Your thoughts would be appreciated as I'm looking to take this further if not resolved by Honda. Alternatively if you guys think I'm wasting my time let me know.
Anyone want to Buy my car ? Ha ha Only 11000Km's (top of the range)
seriously, I'm considering getting rid of this vehicle given this whole experience and Honda's pathetic stance and service. I'll never buy another Honda again that's for sure.
Im interested in your feedback.
Thanks.
Mine is 6,500km post-fix and I have exactly the same as you - still pinging, not as bad but definitely pinging. Pretty disappointed but almost resigned to it now. If DFT need more examples let me know.
MKI4EVA
24-11-2009, 04:14 PM
so the 09' models don't PING?
looking at Euro lux, CX-7 or Golf GTI.
cheers.
Sludge
24-11-2009, 06:54 PM
I had the fix done a few months back now and haven't had a ping since. I just checked and my E10 sticker is still there but i would never use the stuff.
If anyone watched the Bathurst race this year the extra pit stops they had to do to fill up with E10 should tell you something about the economy trade off.
denot
24-11-2009, 07:24 PM
so the 09' models don't PING?
looking at Euro lux, CX-7 or Golf GTI.
cheers.
lol mate, that basically saying u are looking to buy apple, orange or banana :p
OranparkAddict
24-11-2009, 07:33 PM
Bilt, parents first Honda is an 08 euro lux and it is nice looking, good to drive etc etc. Used to ping but got fixed but also has the rear parcel shelf rattle, centre console lid moves and is unsupported at back, handbreak lose again(presume dealer adjusting it not replacing in first place when it was lose). Now with pinging gone throttle response and 'go' feel to be a little minimised which is a dissapointment for a fix. But fuel economy is better.
To be honest they probably wouldnt buy another one because of one the problems and two, hondas response to the problems.
I had the fix done a few months back now and haven't had a ping since. I just checked and my E10 sticker is still there but i would never use the stuff.
If anyone watched the Bathurst race this year the extra pit stops they had to do to fill up with E10 should tell you something about the economy trade off.
V8 supercars run E85 so impact of fuel economy is a lot worse compared to running E10.
nickxau
24-11-2009, 08:06 PM
lol mate, that basically saying u are looking to buy apple, orange or banana :p
But I thought I saw a lemon in there as s well? :D
All jokes aside, when you guys say your car still pings after the fix, is it obviously audible or do you have to turn off the stereo and actually listen out for it? The reason I ask is because I've got pretty sensitive hearing but after the fix was applied to my car, I actually have to listen out for it and even then it would be like, *PI...* hang on... did I just hear a ping or was it my imagination?
bk212
24-11-2009, 08:23 PM
But I thought I saw a lemon in there as s well? :D
All jokes aside, when you guys say your car still pings after the fix, is it obviously audible or do you have to turn off the stereo and actually listen out for it? The reason I ask is because I've got pretty sensitive hearing but after the fix was applied to my car, I actually have to listen out for it and even then it would be like, *PI...* hang on... did I just hear a ping or was it my imagination?
Just after the fix, it was fine. Over time it has worsened. Still nowhere near as bad as pre-fix, but it is clearly audible without having to "listen out for it". I am actually wondering if it's my driving style, given HA said it takes a while to "learn" after the fix. Maybe I should disconnect the battery to reset the ECU????
boleh
25-11-2009, 07:03 AM
lol mate, that basically saying u are looking to buy apple, orange or banana :p
Maybe.. Maybe not.. depending on your circumstances.
In terms of function, they can all seat exactly 5 and carry reasonable amount of luggage. (The boot in the Golf is actually quite big). There's nothing any one of the 3 could do exceedingly well that the rest couldn't. The CX-7 is an SUV but a small one, the GTI is a "sports" car but not ballistic/hard core enough, the Euro fits somewhere in btw being a mid size sedan. All 3 supposedly have good build quality.
So if you're someone who's after something *a little bit* special (not a Camry, Thai Accord, etc.), have a budget of no more than 45K, want the everyday practicality, AND cannot afford more than 1 car then all the 3 mentioned fit in.
denot, it's Volcano grey. Luxury model with the nav. It does not ping all the time. It's intermittently pinging. However, if a fix has been applied then why do we still have this issue ?
Buddah, I'm really interested to learn what they actually did to your car as I'm assuming that the same fix was applied to all Euo's with this problem. I had the knock sensor replaced twice and a new ECU installed. As a result, I'm not sure why others who had this fix applied are fine and some cars still have this issue. Clearly the same fix has not been applied. Are you able to advise ? Also, where did you get your car fixed, ie what dealership ?
I also note your commentary around waiting 13 months to address this issue. Mate, I understand what you are saying however, when you are buying a product in good faith for the full purchase price then it is unacceptable for the company involved who is selling the product to expect people to just sit back and wait until they are good and ready to fix the issue. 13 months to enjoy a product ? See,ms unreasonable to me. But I do understand what you are saying. The car manufacturing industry is in a world of it's own.
let me know please. I will be looking to meet with a rep from the DFT next week. They'll probably do nothing but hey it's worth a try to put some pressure on Honda to take some ownership.
MKI4EVA
25-11-2009, 07:40 AM
lol mate, that basically saying u are looking to buy apple, orange or banana :p
it does doesn't it? hehehhe.
You can see where my input is and where the Mrs input is.
:D
euro is looking 80%............CX7 looking 60%
GTI looking 10% ahahhahah.
Boleh sumed it up well..........somehow these 3 cars fell into our short list.
denot
25-11-2009, 08:18 AM
it does doesn't it? hehehhe.
You can see where my input is and where the Mrs input is.
:D
euro is looking 80%............CX7 looking 60%
GTI looking 10% ahahhahah.
Boleh sumed it up well..........somehow these 3 cars fell into our short list.
LOL mate, I will be looking around the same cars as well if I have the dough... but my turn off will be @ GTI. Not really ideal for family car (for small hatchback to go to work will be good, though).
If I have 45k and hasnt bought my CU2, these will be my options: CU2, CX7 and Lancer Ralliart :)
anyway, I will buy the CU2 out of these three :p (just cause my red P wife cant drive CX7 and Ralliart - turbocharged :p)
Sludge
25-11-2009, 04:04 PM
Bilt, parents first Honda is an 08 euro lux and it is nice looking, good to drive etc etc. Used to ping but got fixed but also has the rear parcel shelf rattle, centre console lid moves and is unsupported at back, handbreak lose again(presume dealer adjusting it not replacing in first place when it was lose). Now with pinging gone throttle response and 'go' feel to be a little minimised which is a dissapointment for a fix. But fuel economy is better.
To be honest they probably wouldnt buy another one because of one the problems and two, hondas response to the problems.
V8 supercars run E85 so impact of fuel economy is a lot worse compared to running E10.
I stand corrected! But you get the picture.
MKI4EVA
25-11-2009, 09:16 PM
LOL mate, I will be looking around the same cars as well if I have the dough... but my turn off will be @ GTI. Not really ideal for family car (for small hatchback to go to work will be good, though).
If I have 45k and hasnt bought my CU2, these will be my options: CU2, CX7 and Lancer Ralliart :)
anyway, I will buy the CU2 out of these three :p (just cause my red P wife cant drive CX7 and Ralliart - turbocharged :p)
ralliart has shocking interior no matter how well it handles......
test driving the CX7 this wkend................
boleh
26-11-2009, 09:54 AM
ralliart has shocking interior no matter how well it handles......
test driving the CX7 this wkend................
plastics heavy?
u can get non-turbo CX7 now and diesel too.. good luck
denot
26-11-2009, 10:26 AM
CX7 non turbo = base model, diesel = manual :(
Euro707
26-11-2009, 09:43 PM
Mine is 6,500km post-fix and I have exactly the same as you - still pinging, not as bad but definitely pinging. Pretty disappointed but almost resigned to it now. If DFT need more examples let me know.
Agree-100%
HA -should be a case study in how best to jack the customer around.
There attitude to phone calls/emails is nothing short of APPALLING. I have had the fix done also 4 weeks ago-its 80% fixed BUT still pings.
HA basic response is- near enough is good enough.
No it isn't you clowns. Near enough -after paying $46,750 for top of the range Euro is an unacceptable response ( particularly seeing that I have invested over $160K in Honda vehicles over the last 7 years!!!!!)
I have already written to Fair Trading.
As you can guess-this ain't over !:(
We are not dealing with Great Wall Motors-but a once prestigious Japanese high quality brand.
I am giving it one more go. If they don't fix it this time. I'm selling it ! Simple.:thumbdwn:
I should of stuck with the new Liberty.
HA are a joke:honda::thumbdwn:
praja6
28-11-2009, 10:56 PM
Does the pinging issue still exists in My10 Euro models?
I am now looking to purchase Euro Auto within few months, wanted to know the pinging issue has been fully resolved from factory.
eur001
29-11-2009, 12:18 AM
Does the pinging issue still exists in My10 Euro models?
I am now looking to purchase Euro Auto within few months, wanted to know the pinging issue has been fully resolved from factory.
Maybe you should consider other options.......
buddah51au
29-11-2009, 05:47 AM
What else is there to consider in the same price range that even comes close to being the equal of a Euro?
tony1234
29-11-2009, 08:14 AM
I thought the pinging issue was all sorted in the MY10 models.
buddah51au
29-11-2009, 08:55 AM
To my knowledge Tony it is. I will also add that the information I received from my Dealer is that the update for the MY09 models is a 3 stage update & if it is not done in the correct sequence the problem will not be fully resolved. This makes me wonder if some of the Technicians carrying out the update are not following correct procedures, a definate possibility.
mikhaelnen
29-11-2009, 09:04 AM
Hi, all
The MY10 model, as mine is, still have the pinging problem. The problem is not resolved out from the factory. You have to have the fix done if your MY10 have the pinging problem. I have the fix done, is only 90% fixed.
albii
29-11-2009, 02:39 PM
nearly bought the cx-7 till i learnt about the fuel consumption. My nephew gets about 18l per 100km ooouuuuccchhh.
tumblingdice
29-11-2009, 09:38 PM
oh no, oh no, no no no no no. this site made me quite aware of the pinging problem, and also convinced mw to buy a euro. but i understood the pinging problem was well fixed with my10...even the dealer sheepishly said admitted it and said it was al sorted...so last week signed for MY10, 08/09 build...but am i now still to believe i could get a pinger after spending 50K plus??
theres a couple of very smart and knowledgeable guys here, any tips for when picking up a new car and what to double check, and what my rights are if i find say a dent or scratch or something
denot
30-11-2009, 01:40 PM
The pinging is barely audible now. I too have very sensitive hearing and have to listen hard for the pinging. However, it sometimes still pings (although my Wife can't heart it from the passenger seat). I dare say most Euros still ping but many owners are either not aware of it or can't hear it ;)
edit Best car under $50k/$60k (even with the pinging, which is mostly resolved).
From my point of view... I dont really care if its still ping or not, as long as I cant hear it. And as long as its A LOT quiet than my $2k more expensive FD2
buddah51au
30-11-2009, 02:19 PM
oh no, oh no, no no no no no. this site made me quite aware of the pinging problem, and also convinced mw to buy a euro. but i understood the pinging problem was well fixed with my10...even the dealer sheepishly said admitted it and said it was al sorted...so last week signed for MY10, 08/09 build...but am i now still to believe i could get a pinger after spending 50K plus??
theres a couple of very smart and knowledgeable guys here, any tips for when picking up a new car and what to double check, and what my rights are if i find say a dent or scratch or something
I regard the pinging problem as a non issue now, I have done over 8,000km since the update & it is non existent. I do wonder how much of it comes down to individual driving styles (While mine does see the rev limiter occasionally it is mostly driven for economy)
Allow yourself an extra hour to inspect the car prior to signing up for it, go over every panel with a fine tooth comb looking for scratches, blemishes, overspray and colour consistancy, both in the sun & in the shade. If you find 1 problem you are not obliged to sign for the car.
nickxau
01-12-2009, 01:47 PM
theres a couple of very smart and knowledgeable guys here, any tips for when picking up a new car and what to double check, and what my rights are if i find say a dent or scratch or something
I refer you to this (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107061) thread and this (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123896) thread. Please read through it in it's entirety for your benefit.
buddah51au
02-12-2009, 09:08 AM
It could help slightly, but they are more qualified to do mechanical inspections - (No Reliable Mechanics Available or National Ratbags & Mugs Association - take your choice).
If your unsure what to look for I would be more inclined to seek the services of an experienced Spray Painter.
buddah51au
02-12-2009, 04:58 PM
Irving, I don't think anything has changed with the way dealerships operate since I served my apprenticeship last century. The people working within dealerships treat every car the same, be it a clapped out 2nd hand piece of crap to a new Mercedes. Many minor dings happen within dealerships as well as during transport.
People may ask where I gained the little knowledge I have, well I served my apprenticeship at a VW/Mercedes Dealership, before moving up to service manager & then 2IC to the National Service manager of a German Model. Maybe I was to young in those days to appreciate working in a white collar & I missed the hands on experience & knowledge, so I went back into overalls & did several post trade courses.
Lets get back to the CU2, many people don't realise how much car they are getting for their money these days. Why do I say that you may ask, well I purchased a new VTI manual accord in 1994, the on road cost was $43,990, now we can by a CU2 Auto, which is 10 times better for around $40k on the road. Whatever Happened to inflation & Accords I don't know, the Euro is a great car, but there is an old saying that stands true today & is applicable to any motor vehicle purchase, BUYER BEWARE.
There is no such thing as a perfect car, whether you spend 20K or 500K. I will add that I do not believe the CU2 has any opposition in it's price range.
MKI4EVA
05-12-2009, 07:46 AM
There is no such thing as a perfect car, whether you spend 20K or 500K. I will add that I do not believe the CU2 has any opposition in it's price range.
I think this is a very fair comment. After prematurely ordering ours earlier this year I've had all that time to look for something else which is roughly $42K drive away with the standard options in the CU2 and nothing even comes close.
If you spec up a GTI it comes to around $47K drive away with corp discount. Subaru liberties are out of the range....and it just goes on.
Only place I havne't looked at is skoda.
This ping issue has made me quite disappointed with Honda, but dam that product finish and drive is so dam good. Mazda's drive is slightly better but their interiors are not up to benchmark.
cyberhonky
12-12-2009, 05:44 PM
hi guys- just found the forum after searching this pinging issue. with regards to the fix for the pinging has this been rolled out across all dealerships? reason i ask is i reckon my mrs is being given a bum steer by our local dealership.
i keep telling her to contact the dealer to get this shit sorted and they keep telling her nothing is ready yet, they have her details and they'll contact her once something is sorted blah blah!
seems the (sorta) fix has been out for some time now, and she's/we've not been told. :(
binhcat
13-12-2009, 08:15 AM
hi guys- just found the forum after searching this pinging issue. with regards to the fix for the pinging has this been rolled out across all dealerships? reason i ask is i reckon my mrs is being given a bum steer by our local dealership.
i keep telling her to contact the dealer to get this shit sorted and they keep telling her nothing is ready yet, they have her details and they'll contact her once something is sorted blah blah!
seems the (sorta) fix has been out for some time now, and she's/we've not been told. :(
Your mrs should contact the dealership again. Honda JP shipped in the parts for the local dealers here to replace all faulty cars. I got mines fixed a month ago..
buddah51au
13-12-2009, 08:41 PM
I have just done a 1432km trip from central qld coast to gosford. As hard as it was i left the radio off for the whole 16 hour trip to see if there was any sign of pinging. I didn't here any sign of the issue on the trip so I regard it as 100% successful in my case. I did find the economy amazing, but wont post details until I return home & download pics. Would anyone care to hazzard a guestimate of the economy & the range between refills.
praja6
13-12-2009, 11:13 PM
Thats nice to hear your pinging issue has been fully resolved. I think as someone mentioned here in this forum, dealers needs to apply the fix in order to resolve the issue, may be skip the order may still leave the pinging issue still there.
I am looking to purchase Jan-Feb time Euro and hope the issue is fully resolved from factory
tony1234
14-12-2009, 06:07 AM
I have just done a 1432km trip from central qld coast to gosford. As hard as it was i left the radio off for the whole 16 hour trip to see if there was any sign of pinging. I didn't here any sign of the issue on the trip so I regard it as 100% successful in my case. I did find the economy amazing, but wont post details until I return home & download pics. Would anyone care to hazzard a guestimate of the economy & the range between refills.
I reckon 6.5L/100kms.approx.1000kms on a tank.
buddah51au
14-12-2009, 07:17 AM
very close first up guess tony, so i will spill the beans right off. 989 km on the first tank (haven't needed to refill again yet). 76km remaining till empty which would not have got me to the next town. It was indicating 6.0L/100km (it had been as low as 5.8 at 1 stage) but after a manual calculation it worked out at 6.23L/100km.
I would prefer to wait till i get back home where I can refil at my usual petrol bowser and get an average for the whole trip.
nickxau
14-12-2009, 09:24 PM
I have just done a 1432km trip from central qld coast to gosford. As hard as it was i left the radio off for the whole 16 hour trip to see if there was any sign of pinging. I didn't here any sign of the issue on the trip so I regard it as 100% successful in my case.
Hi buddah51, please do not take any offence to my words as that is not my intentions.
From reading your posts I believe you're a veteran mechanic and I have no doubts you're an expert in that field. But as I have generally stated before, would you regard your hearing to be to be sensitive? Obviously if one can no longer hear the pinging, they can assume that the issue is resolved but that doesn't mean the issue is actually resolved. As we get older our ears get less sensitive to sound and we all know that for a fact. Could this be a factor maybe?
Once again, please do not take any offence to what I have just said as I'm pretty sure that I, for one, am just as curious as all the others reading this thread as to why 1 out of all the other reported cars here have a 100% success rate :confused:.
If it is indeed the order in which the fix is applied, maybe the mechanics from the dealership you went to should be the ones going around Australia showing the other clowns (who call themselves mechanics) how to follow instructions step-by-step to apply the fix!? :p
unity
14-12-2009, 11:37 PM
Hi buddah51, please do not take any offence to my words as that is not my intentions.
From reading your posts I believe you're a veteran mechanic and I have no doubts you're an expert in that field. But as I have generally stated before, would you regard your hearing to be to be sensitive? Obviously if one can no longer hear the pinging, they can assume that the issue is resolved but that doesn't mean the issue is actually resolved. As we get older our ears get less sensitive to sound and we all know that for a fact. Could this be a factor maybe?
In this day and age of walkmans/ipods/loud music it is known that there are many people in the younger generations that are exhibiting early signs of hearing loss, and effectively have the hearing capability of middle aged persons. Age is not necessarily a factor.
^^ So very true. Many of the current generation will be deaf long before anyone from Buddah51's generation!
buddah51au
15-12-2009, 06:26 AM
[QUOTE=nickxau;2585772]Hi buddah51, please do not take any offence to my words as that is not my intentions.
From reading your posts I believe you're a veteran mechanic and I have no doubts you're an expert in that field. But as I have generally stated before, would you regard your hearing to be to be sensitive? Obviously if one can no longer hear the pinging, they can assume that the issue is resolved but that doesn't mean the issue is actually resolved. As we get older our ears get less sensitive to sound and we all know that for a fact. Could this be a factor maybe?
Once again, please do not take any offence to what I have just said as I'm pretty sure that I, for one, am just as curious as all the others reading this thread as to why 1 out of all the other reported cars here have a 100% success rate :confused:.
If it is indeed the order in which the fix is applied, maybe the mechanics from the dealership you went to should be the ones going around Australia showing the other clowns (who call themselves mechanics) how to follow instructions step-by-step to apply the fix!? :QUOTE]
Let me just say that there is nothing wrong with my hearing (to my knowlege, people often ask me to turn up the volume of music / TV or whatever i am listening to.
In saying that there must be some form of degeneration in that area, but if there is i would not think it is significant. I have never been 1 to listen to loud music, or loud anything for that matter. I also know for certain that I have found noises in cars that owners have never heard.
Hope that ansewrs your question, I can be no more honest than that.
! thing you said that I agree with 100% & that is some of the mechanics out there are not worth the air they breath, I wouldn't trust them to change a wheel.
buddah51au
15-12-2009, 08:00 AM
nickxau, let me clarify as best I can, we all have different driving styles, how much this effects the so called pinging problem i do not know.
On my trip south i traveled the inland road which generaly speaqking is table top flat most of the way, with cruise control set to just over 105kph (except for passing through the few towns along the way). Therefore, for the majority of that trip the engine was pinning over at a little over 2000RPM, probably too low to be effected by the pinging issue.
However, since arriving in gosford i have done a trip down to the southern highlands meaning a trip down the F3, cruise set at 120, with some long clims thrown in. mostly back to 3rd gear at just under 4000RPM to maintain speed. still no sign of pinging or t5he roughness you speak of.
If you wish to come for a run up to Gosford while I am here your quite welcome anytime, except for 21st & 22nd when I will be in Newcastle having a clear bra fitted.
denot
15-12-2009, 08:19 AM
Hi Nicxau, I've driving around 2-3k since I've got the issue fixed, and havent heard any pinging yet.
nickxau
15-12-2009, 10:36 AM
Thanks for all the feedback that everyone provided.
So in this case, for people that can still hear slight pinging post-fix, can we narrow down the reason to either:
1. Different driving styles OR
2. Fix applied incorrectly
OR could there be another reason? If the reason is 1. then it'll be damn hard to prove.
Euro707
15-12-2009, 10:54 AM
....regardless of #1 or #2.......the engine should not PING....full stop
I regularly drive to the south coast of NSW from Sydney. For me -the true test for "to ping or not to ping" is the climb back up Mt Ousley towards Sydney.
I like to use the paddles driving up here and admit to giving it a boot ( just like the high revving F-1 engine we hear on the ad's !!!)
The result is post fix. ( 98 RON fuel)
IT STILL PINGS.:mad:
I have 8K on the clock. I will be taking it back for the 10K service and will not be taking it back until its fixed .......ie. not pinging in ANY circumstance/ different driver styles.
buddah51au
15-12-2009, 11:50 AM
Thanks for all the feedback that everyone provided.
So in this case, for people that can still hear slight pinging post-fix, can we narrow down the reason to either:
1. Different driving styles OR
2. Fix applied incorrectly
OR could there be another reason? If the reason is 1. then it'll be damn hard to prove.
Personally, I believe the answer is number 2. I see no difference in the climb up Mt. Ousley, or some of the climbs on the F3.
As I have said before, my general driving stle is with economy in mind, but in saying that there are times when i do see the rev limiter (although that is infrequent). So overall i believe i have personally covered all driving styles.
buddah51au
15-12-2009, 04:32 PM
Could it also be that some cars have older ECUs which are slow learners? (Hence the need for 3 tanks of 98 RON according to HA).
My car is progressively getting better.....it was built in May 2008 and it's still under 7000kms.
I personally don't believe that to be the case as i noticed an immediate improvement, but in saying that i did not regar the problem as serious with my car to begin with. It was infrequent, intermittant & not repeatable.
nickxau
16-12-2009, 11:04 AM
Could it also be that some cars have older ECUs which are slow learners? (Hence the need for 3 tanks of 98 RON according to HA).
My car is progressively getting better.....it was built in May 2008 and it's still under 7000kms.
I personally don't think it's the age of the ECU as well because a few people including myself have definitely gone way past the 3 tanks of petrol that they recommended.
I agree, for the price point and the amount of car that you get, the Euro is a great car but one has to admit that the pinging issue, regardless of how loud/soft, damage or not, does detract from the enjoyment of driving the car.
Hell! My 1986 Celica didn't have any pinging issues!??? :eek:
buddah51au
16-12-2009, 11:13 AM
I personally don't think it's the age of the ECU as well because a few people including myself have definitely gone way past the 3 tanks of petrol that they recommended.
I agree, for the price point and the amount of car that you get, the Euro is a great car but one has to admit that the pinging issue, regardless of how loud/soft, damage or not, does detract from the enjoyment of driving the car.
Hell! My 1986 Celica didn't have any pinging issues!??? :eek:
Niether did my old VW Beetle.....lol
The CU2 cis without doubt the best car I have ever owned, and I have had many
Type R Positive
18-12-2009, 05:38 PM
That is not necessarily the case Denot. I am not sure of HA's position on this or if it is the dealers choice. My dealer will be doing the whole update (software & knock sensor) for those who complain of the problem, otherwise all vehicles will get the software update alone as they come in for servicing.
I just got my 40k service today, and asked them about the 'ping', and if they have touched my ECU.
They said that they check all CU2's regardless of complaints, and if the car has the ping, they fix. They also said mine definately doesn't have the 'ping', and they don't touch the cars that are fine.
All, as you are aware from my earlier advices, i raised the pinging issue with the Dep't of Fair Trading. They inspected the vehicle, test drove it and raised the issue with Honda Australia. As a result, Honda advised them and provided myself with a letter which basically provides a lifetime guarantee that the engine will not be damaged as a result of the pinging. Well, that's what they are saying.
Too be honest this is an absolute joke. Honda should be ashamed of themselves. If they can't fix the problem then they should be refunding people their money. Not good enough!
I didn't think I would get anywhere given their (honda's) response on this to date but it was worth the shot.
Whilst I agree that the car is nice to drive but the pinging just spoils this car. Big time. What's the point of providing a warranty if you can't fix a car.
See attached response below.
As a result, I have gone back and asked them whether or not they feel this is how they should treat their clients. Whether or not their CEO feels this is good enough, and when they will be applying a real fix and not a ptach job.
I doubt I'll get a response as they just don't care however, I have reminded them once again, this will be the last Honda I buy.
Perhaps we should just go to the Media ?????
Perhaps we should just all turn up to a specific dealer and stand out the front with big signs advising all would be customers not to buy Honda's. May be then they will take this serious.
You'll note from the attached letter, basically they confirm what we all knew upfront. The car needs to ping for the knock sensor and ECU to do their thing. How is this a fix ???
Pathch Job if I have ever seen one.
Well done Honda. Pathetic!
Forget the Power of Dreams. More like the Power of Nightmares!.
praja6
21-12-2009, 08:03 PM
Hi Blit,
Thats a good assurance from Honda, but did you read they mentioned the condition for lifetime is the vehicle is maintained according to the manual.
Hope 2010 built Euro won't have this pinging issue..
THanks
Hi Blit,
Thats a good assurance from Honda, but did you read they mentioned the condition for lifetime is the vehicle is maintained according to the manual.
Hope 2010 built Euro won't have this pinging issue..
THanks
This "Lifetime' warranty isn't worth the digital paper it's written on: As the warranty is just valid to the original owner and only if certain conditions are met, it is actually a limitation of liability and not a warranty at all.
A non-transferable "warranty" does nothing for resale value.
Forgot about Fair Trading, you guys should consider the Trade Practices Act administered by the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission (ACCC) which, if properly "awakened" to the matter, can force a national recall and/or compensation as well as publicly embarrassing apologies from HA.
This "Lifetime' warranty isn't worth the digital paper it's written on: As the warranty is just valid to the original owner and only if certain conditions are met, it is actually a limitation of liability and not a warranty at all.
A non-transferable "warranty" does nothing for resale value.
Forgot about Fair Trading, you guys should consider the Trade Practices Act administered by the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission (ACCC) which, if properly "awakened" to the matter, can force a national recall and/or compensation as well as publicly embarrassing apologies from HA.
Agree. It's a wortless pisece of paper. Will struggle to prove anything if the engine does have issues down the track as they will put it down to certain driving conditions. Hello !!!!
These clowns are a joke. Short and simple.
Good luck to all but this stinks big time!
CU2 Euro 09
22-12-2009, 07:57 AM
I read through a fair few of these posts and not sure if I missed it but, does the build date have anything to do with it?
I read one that mentioned a May 08 build date and I've spoken with guy down the shops and his was also a May 08 build and he had the pinging (he was asking me if I had a ping and then warned me). I've got an August 08 build date, bought in Feb 09 and have been lucky so far to not have any pinging.
Are the US cars also built in Japan? Do all Euro/TSX come from one plant?
How can Honda to let such a good car have these problems?
Euro707
22-12-2009, 12:11 PM
How can Honda to let such a good car have these problems?
Thats what I would like to know. That response from HA is the greatest load of pap I have ever read. I ran it past a mate with a legal background- he said you could drive a Mack truck through the holes in it -and it would not stand up if in 10 years time you had an "issue" with the engine.
As I mentioned in an earlier post-I'm due for the 10K service and another ping "attempt" fix.
If not fixed -I will not accept delivery back from the service dept.
This has been an unmitigated PR disaster for HA. I have told at least 8 people-ABOUT THE EURO PINGING /aka steer clear !!
Again, the rest of the Euro pack is exceptional- I reckon the drive, interior, safety etc is outstanding.
A real shame this has happened and even more of a shame that HA have treated those affected with utter contempt.
Its turning out to be a classic case study of how NOT to treat loyal customers.......'might just send it into the AGSM.
Merry Chrissie to all.
In the January 2010 (current) edition of Wheels, Peter Robinson said he accidently put in half a tank of 91RON ULP into his long-term test Euro. He reported no pinging then goes on to mention the pinging problem and that all Euros made after April 2009 should have the problem corrected from the factory. He then invites readers to write in about their experience with the pinging problem.
So guys, go for it. Write to Wheels about your pinging experiences. Remember to mention Model/Year/Transmission and then spill your minds out; including your post-fix experience and your opinion of how HA has handled this problem.
buddah51au
23-12-2009, 06:33 PM
I have just completed my trip to Sydney & back, a total of 3,075kms & no sign of pinging at all.
I carried out an experiment by using Caltex Vortex 95 on the trip south and Shell V Power 98 on the return trip & found no difference at all in the drive-ability or economy. The figures were 3075kms, 198.41 litres for an average of 6.45, Best recorded was 6.03.
I actually filled up 4 times during the trip & the true figures were 6.23 x 2, 7.18 (this included commuting through Sydney, a week in Gosford & about 30km around Newcastle) & finally 6.03.
buddah51au, you should write to Peter Robinson at Wheels with your positive experience of the fix.
buddah51au
23-12-2009, 11:18 PM
It is not a matter of writing to anyone. It was explained to me that the remedy is a complex 3 stage ECU update that needs to be carried out in a certain sequence. The knock sensor replacement is straight forward.
I do wonder if the so called Technicians in many dealerships carry out the software update as specified. I personally know some of the staff at my local dealership & have mentioned that some people still seem to have problems with the so called pinging issue.
I have been told that they have had no complaints on any of the vehicles they have applied the update to. So draw your own conclusion, I have.
It is not a matter of writing to anyone. It was explained to me that the remedy is a complex 3 stage ECU update that needs to be carried out in a certain sequence. The knock sensor replacement is straight forward.
I do wonder if the so called Technicians in many dealerships carry out the software update as specified. I personally know some of the staff at my local dealership & have mentioned that some people still seem to have problems with the so called pinging issue.
I have been told that they have had no complaints on any of the vehicles they have applied the update to. So draw your own conclusion, I have.
Ok, where did you have you fix applied Buddah.
I have had my vehicle done twice by these clowns and despite being a lot better, the car still pings.
If it's in Sydney, I'm happy to go there and even pay for it.
Have a good xmas all.
tony1234
24-12-2009, 01:52 PM
Ok, where did you have you fix applied Buddah.
I have had my vehicle done twice by these clowns and despite being a lot better, the car still pings.
If it's in Sydney, I'm happy to go there and even pay for it.
Have a good xmas all.
Buddah is in Qld.Near Bundaberg i think.
buddah51au
24-12-2009, 02:52 PM
about 2 hours north of bundaberg Tony, about 16 1/2 hours drive from Sydney
Been a while since I have been on here, but I tried drumming up support on here previously to take this issue further and no one else would step up...
Basically, we are trying to get this matter resolved one by one, instead of a joint effort.
Type R Positive
30-12-2009, 11:21 AM
Been a while since I have been on here, but I tried drumming up support on here previously to take this issue further and no one else would step up...
Basically, we are trying to get this matter resolved one by one, instead of a joint effort.
LOL! They got a fix, it works, what more do you want them to do?
buddah51au
30-12-2009, 06:03 PM
Been a while since I have been on here, but I tried drumming up support on here previously to take this issue further and no one else would step up...
Basically, we are trying to get this matter resolved one by one, instead of a joint effort.
What pinging problem? This is a dead issue (providing the software update is done correctly).
Sludge
01-01-2010, 03:01 AM
What pinging problem? This is a dead issue (providing the software update is done correctly).
DITTO, Mine was fixed months ago and I haven't had any sign of it since. Couldn't be happier with the car or the service I have received.
But maybe I am deaf, the last time I had the car in I asked the dealer to look at a rattle coming from the rear parcel shelf. It turned out to be an incorrectly fitted boot spring, at the same time they changed the drink holder lid because the trim was rattling, I hadn't even noticed it?
denot
01-01-2010, 10:00 AM
^^^ me three... :p
euro27
01-01-2010, 02:46 PM
Hi Jbowly,
Thanks for a most comprehensive chronology of your 'pinging' probs with the CU 2. I used to own an 04' CL9 6MT which gave great service however one niggly problem which Honda dealers refused to address was an intermittent noise whilst the a/c was running(Px/Tx valve ?) Very frustrating when they continually duck and weave and you're left scratching your head.
Last week I drove a friend's CU2 auto for the first time and it pinged like crazy. This problem is outrageous and Honda need to lift their game, maybe the fair trading people should be notified ?
Driving the CU2 left me underwhelmed, the auto is gutless compared to the CL 9 manual and it doesn't even sound good anymore. The CL9 sounded quite glorious especially when revving to the redline.
It puzzles me how a huge corporation like Honda can screw up the engine in such an eagerly anticipated new model, the CL 9 was such a fabulous vehicle and I'm sure it is sorely missed.
I currently own a Lexus RX however I'm going to replace it with the 'last of the line' 2008 CL 9.
My advice to any prospective Euro owner is to avoid the CU2 (unless they fix the damn thing properly) and stick with a CL9 ! A tried and proven vehicle.
Cheers and good luck with it all.
Euro 27.
denot
01-01-2010, 03:00 PM
^^^ firstly, i think he did contact fair trading. Secondly, u comparing manual vs auto and complaint that the auto doesnt feel like driving a manual? :confused: isnt it obvious to most cars?
euro27
01-01-2010, 03:18 PM
Hello Denot,
Thanks for the update re fair trading and yes after driving since 1980 I certainly know the performance difference between an auto and manual of the same model.
My whole point is that the CU2 is SLOWER across the board than the CL9, a regression in my book. You'd be hard pressed shaking a Mazda 6 from the rear view mirror in a CU2 ! not the case in a CL9.
Most new models have perfomance and economy gains, just look at the new Holden SIDI Commodores, heaps more power but better economy. Holden have never been considered as a technological tour de force, why couldn't Honda do this ? Even 'Wheels' who crowned the CU2 car of the year said that it feels like 20 KW has gone missing. One of the most appealing aspects of the CL9 was it's nimbleness.
From my perspective and having driven a CU2, Honda have gone backwards with performance. A 0.5 litre/100 economy improvement just doesn't excite me, 0-100 times do.
Euro27
buddah51au
01-01-2010, 04:16 PM
Hi Jbowly,
Thanks for a most comprehensive chronology of your 'pinging' probs with the CU 2. I used to own an 04' CL9 6MT which gave great service however one niggly problem which Honda dealers refused to address was an intermittent noise whilst the a/c was running(Px/Tx valve ?) Very frustrating when they continually duck and weave and you're left scratching your head.
Last week I drove a friend's CU2 auto for the first time and it pinged like crazy. This problem is outrageous and Honda need to lift their game, maybe the fair trading people should be notified ?
Driving the CU2 left me underwhelmed, the auto is gutless compared to the CL 9 manual and it doesn't even sound good anymore. The CL9 sounded quite glorious especially when revving to the redline.
It puzzles me how a huge corporation like Honda can screw up the engine in such an eagerly anticipated new model, the CL 9 was such a fabulous vehicle and I'm sure it is sorely missed.
I currently own a Lexus RX however I'm going to replace it with the 'last of the line' 2008 CL 9.
My advice to any prospective Euro owner is to avoid the CU2 (unless they fix the damn thing properly) and stick with a CL9 ! A tried and proven vehicle.
Cheers and good luck with it all.
Euro 27.
1-As previously stated the pinging problem has been rectified.
2-Please explain how Honda "screwed up" the engine in the CU2.
3-I fail to see where the CU2 Auto is gutless when you can comfortably sit on double the speed on the open road.
4-Sure the CL9 was a very good car, But the CU2 is better in every area (type R, step in here as an oner of both models)
5-Personally, there is no way I would buy a CL9 in front of a CU2.
buddah51au
01-01-2010, 04:24 PM
Hello Denot,
Thanks for the update re fair trading and yes after driving since 1980 I certainly know the performance difference between an auto and manual of the same model.
My whole point is that the CU2 is SLOWER across the board than the CL9, a regression in my book. You'd be hard pressed shaking a Mazda 6 from the rear view mirror in a CU2 ! not the case in a CL9.
Most new models have perfomance and economy gains, just look at the new Holden SIDI Commodores, heaps more power but better economy. Holden have never been considered as a technological tour de force, why couldn't Honda do this ? Even 'Wheels' who crowned the CU2 car of the year said that it feels like 20 KW has gone missing. One of the most appealing aspects of the CL9 was it's nimbleness.
From my perspective and having driven a CU2, Honda have gone backwards with performance. A 0.5 litre/100 economy improvement just doesn't excite me, 0-100 times do.
As for 20kw gone missing, the K24 is just about at the end of it's development cycle unless they add a hair dryer to it which would then put it in a different class & attract a different buyer group. I don't believe there are many 2.4 litre non turbo engines around that put out more than 148kw. Also remember that the CU2 has grown to the point where it is almost falcon/crapadore size. That obviously creates some performance disadvantages, but realistically who counts or cares about a few tenths of a second here & there, especially when 7000rpm in 2nd gear (Auto) is loss of licence territory.
Euro27
I notice Holden make a big deal advertising their new SIDI can go 900km down the highway on 1 Tank of fuel. Well, the CU2 can go beyond 1000km down the highway on 1 tank, yet no advertising about it.
There is no way a crapadore can compare with a honda, Unless your into towing heavy loads, & of course continuous warranty issues.
0 to 100 times, who does that in their own car? If that is what interests you try an XR6 turbo or an F6, not a Honda as that is not what they are designed for.
Bilt,
I too had the same pinging problem with my 09 Euro lux and received a lovely letter from Ken Sheppard. I say 'had' because I sold the vehicle - and with only a small loss. I still had pinging even after the 'fix'. I also had faulty A/C and problems with my steering - the car was in the shop on a monthly basis (often at Honda's request to fix something else they found). Topped off with really poor service i was fed up.
If you are really unhappy about the Euro, my advice to you is to get rid of it. Trade it in/sell it and cut your losses - before the problem is more widely known. Otherwise you will spend more time, energy and money in the long run and you won't enjoy driving your car. The pinging problem has not been resolved for all (despite what some posts might say). And if you do get rid of your Euro, give HA the finger and make lots of noise about it.
Oh, and if HA are reading these posts (which I believe they are) - get stuffed!
All, as you are aware from my earlier advices, i raised the pinging issue with the Dep't of Fair Trading. They inspected the vehicle, test drove it and raised the issue with Honda Australia. As a result, Honda advised them and provided myself with a letter which basically provides a lifetime guarantee that the engine will not be damaged as a result of the pinging. Well, that's what they are saying.
Too be honest this is an absolute joke. Honda should be ashamed of themselves. If they can't fix the problem then they should be refunding people their money. Not good enough!
I didn't think I would get anywhere given their (honda's) response on this to date but it was worth the shot.
Whilst I agree that the car is nice to drive but the pinging just spoils this car. Big time. What's the point of providing a warranty if you can't fix a car.
See attached response below.
As a result, I have gone back and asked them whether or not they feel this is how they should treat their clients. Whether or not their CEO feels this is good enough, and when they will be applying a real fix and not a ptach job.
I doubt I'll get a response as they just don't care however, I have reminded them once again, this will be the last Honda I buy.
Perhaps we should just go to the Media ?????
Perhaps we should just all turn up to a specific dealer and stand out the front with big signs advising all would be customers not to buy Honda's. May be then they will take this serious.
You'll note from the attached letter, basically they confirm what we all knew upfront. The car needs to ping for the knock sensor and ECU to do their thing. How is this a fix ???
Pathch Job if I have ever seen one.
Well done Honda. Pathetic!
Forget the Power of Dreams. More like the Power of Nightmares!.
buddah51au
01-01-2010, 08:50 PM
My CU2 will do me perfectly until the next model update which should be around 5 years or so. Oh, by the way, i have no nightmares.
praja6
01-01-2010, 11:03 PM
Hi ALl,
Just wondering the latest built of Accord Euro still got pinging issue? I am planning to purchase EUro before End of Jan-Feb and wondering is it still good idea go for EUro or go to the new Liberty sedan as i never heard problem with Liberty. The only thing is i like the smooth of euro(i never heard pinging issue when i was test drive the euro for 15mins in dealers area roads),however after read many reviews here the pinging issue still exists after the fix i am thinking is it worth to invest my hardly earned money into Euro
Thanks
Raja
buddah51au
01-01-2010, 11:56 PM
Hi ALl,
Just wondering the latest built of Accord Euro still got pinging issue? I am planning to purchase EUro before End of Jan-Feb and wondering is it still good idea go for EUro or go to the new Liberty sedan as i never heard problem with Liberty. The only thing is i like the smooth of euro(i never heard pinging issue when i was test drive the euro for 15mins in dealers area roads),however after read many reviews here the pinging issue still exists after the fix i am thinking is it worth to invest my hardly earned money into Euro
Thanks
Raja
I personally would have no hesitation in recommending the Euro & I am sure many here would agree with that recommendation. The pinging problem is a dead issue & has been resolved.
euro27
02-01-2010, 08:32 AM
Quote by Buddah.
1-As previously stated the pinging problem has been rectified.
2-Please explain how Honda "screwed up" the engine in the CU2.
3-I fail to see where the CU2 Auto is gutless when you can comfortably sit on double the speed on the open road.
4-Sure the CL9 was a very good car, But the CU2 is better in every area (type R, step in here as an oner of both models)
5-Personally, there is no way I would buy a CL9 in front of a CU2.
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Buddah-
1- If the pinging problem has been rectified then why does my friends 3 month old CU2 ping like crazy ?? Oh, if there is a problem each individual owner has to go through the anguish, inconvenience and hassle of getting HA or their dealer to move on this. The proof is in the driving and Honda are still selling vehicles with the problem.
2- Blind Freddy can see how Honda screwed up the engine. The CL9 had NO PINGING PROBLEM, the CU2 does, if that's not srewing something up then I don't know what is . Also, this forum with a massive 86 pages ( so far) of debate on the subject proves that their is a huge problem with many disgruntled owners.
3- as stated earlier and I'll repeat, the CU2 feels gutless when directly compared to a CL9, this should not be the case. Is Honda going down the same path as the original 240Z which was light and nimble and then with each successive model (260Z/280Z)grew fat and lazy ?
4-I agree CU2 is much better than the CL9 in many areas, the sharpness of steering , poise and lack of float really impressed me, as well as the faultless build quality. It's just the rotten pinging which leaves me shaking my head.
5- Thank goodness for choice, you stick with the CU2 but I know I'd buy a CL9 over one any day.
buddah51au
02-01-2010, 09:26 AM
Buddah-
1- If the pinging problem has been rectified then why does my friends 3 month old CU2 ping like crazy ?? Oh, if there is a problem each individual owner has to go through the anguish, inconvenience and hassle of getting HA or their dealer to move on this. The proof is in the driving and Honda are still selling vehicles with the problem.
2- Blind Freddy can see how Honda screwed up the engine. The CL9 had NO PINGING PROBLEM, the CU2 does, if that's not srewing something up then I don't know what is . Also, this forum with a massive 86 pages ( so far) of debate on the subject proves that their is a huge problem with many disgruntled owners.
3- as stated earlier and I'll repeat, the CU2 feels gutless when directly compared to a CL9, this should not be the case. Is Honda going down the same path as the original 240Z which was light and nimble and then with each successive model (260Z/280Z)grew fat and lazy ?
4-I agree CU2 is much better than the CL9 in many areas, the sharpness of steering , poise and lack of float really impressed me, as well as the faultless build quality. It's just the rotten pinging which leaves me shaking my head.
5- Thank goodness for choice, you stick with the CU2 but I know I'd buy a CL9 over one any day.[/QUOTE]
I admit there "WAS" a pinging problem but that is now a dead issue once the update is applied correctly.
There may be 86 pages on this thread, BUT HOW MANY RELATE DIRECTLY TO THE ISSUE. less than 1/2.
I do not find my CU2 gutless, you refer to the 240Z, well in fact i did own a 1974 240Z (along with the standard option of a whining differential which was never cured) & there is no doubt in my mind the CU2 is a quicker, better handling & more economical car. If my memory serves me correctly, the 240Z given a long straight road would top out at about 225kph. The CU2 Auto beats that by some margin & is still reasonably stable.
You go ahead & stick with your CL9, I will stick with my CU2 which is a major improvement over the previous model.
Each to their own & by the way, can you name a perfect car. how about a Ferrari F430, who wouldn't love to own 1 regardless of the known problem of fire in the engine compartment.
euro27
02-01-2010, 09:42 AM
Denot, how can you justify that comment? Please name another mid size 4 cyl car in Australia that has more power than a Euro. Lets run through the list:-
Mazda 6
Camry
Mondeo
sonata
Epica
BMW 3 series 4 cyl
those 6 off the top of my head, so if the Euro is embarrasing what would you say about those cars?
Buddah,
BMW don't sell 3 series 4 cyl in Australia anymore. Base models are 6 cyl 323i 140kw / and 325i 160 kw
buddah51au
02-01-2010, 09:54 AM
Is that a fact, what about the 320 I sedan or coupe. 2.0 Litre engine, 115kw @ 6400rpm & 200nm @ 3600rpm. You should find 1 in any BMW dealership.
euro27
02-01-2010, 10:26 AM
Is that a fact, what about the 320 I sedan or coupe. 2.0 Litre engine, 115kw @ 6400rpm & 200nm @ 3600rpm. You should find 1 in any BMW dealership.
Whoops , should have checked the website, knew they had dumped the 4 cyl 318i, thought that was the end of the 4s. The old 320i was a six wasn't it ?
kimnkk
02-01-2010, 10:48 AM
+1 with buddah here. I've got a CL9 and my dad a CU2 and i would go for the CU2 over the CL9 any day of the week. The CL9 is a great car and when i was looking, no other cars could touch it in terms of overall performance/features/looks at that price point.
But the CU2, sure it has a pinging noise that is largely resolved but as buddah said, what cars dont have their issues? The CU2 engine sounds better than the CL9 as well and i think it pulls harder than the CL9 auto.
euro27
02-01-2010, 11:22 AM
Buddah-
1- If the pinging problem has been rectified then why does my friends 3 month old CU2 ping like crazy ?? Oh, if there is a problem each individual owner has to go through the anguish, inconvenience and hassle of getting HA or their dealer to move on this. The proof is in the driving and Honda are still selling vehicles with the problem.
2- Blind Freddy can see how Honda screwed up the engine. The CL9 had NO PINGING PROBLEM, the CU2 does, if that's not srewing something up then I don't know what is . Also, this forum with a massive 86 pages ( so far) of debate on the subject proves that their is a huge problem with many disgruntled owners.
3- as stated earlier and I'll repeat, the CU2 feels gutless when directly compared to a CL9, this should not be the case. Is Honda going down the same path as the original 240Z which was light and nimble and then with each successive model (260Z/280Z)grew fat and lazy ?
4-I agree CU2 is much better than the CL9 in many areas, the sharpness of steering , poise and lack of float really impressed me, as well as the faultless build quality. It's just the rotten pinging which leaves me shaking my head.
5- Thank goodness for choice, you stick with the CU2 but I know I'd buy a CL9 over one any day.
I admit there "WAS" a pinging problem but that is now a dead issue once the update is applied correctly.
There may be 86 pages on this thread, BUT HOW MANY RELATE DIRECTLY TO THE ISSUE. less than 1/2.
I do not find my CU2 gutless, you refer to the 240Z, well in fact i did own a 1974 240Z (along with the standard option of a whining differential which was never cured) & there is no doubt in my mind the CU2 is a quicker, better handling & more economical car.
You go ahead & stick with your CL9, I will stick with my CU2 which is a major improvement over the previous model.
Each to their own & by the way, can you name a perfect car. how about a Ferrari F430, who wouldn't love to own 1 regardless of the known problem of fire in the engine compartment.[/QUOTE]
Buddah,
If I won the Lotto I'd go straight out and buy a 911 turbo !
Back to the pinging, if there WAS a problem why does my friends 3 month old example ping ? I will advise her to ask Honda to apply the update but shouldn't that have been done defore the car was sold to her ? Are HA/dealers selling cars and hoping for the best ? Maybe the unsuspecting new owner might not notice?
Comparing a CU2 with a 240Z is irrelevant. You miss my point that new models should be better in every aspect, the CU2 has inferior acceleration to the CL9 which shouldn't be so.
Having owned a CL 9 for 3 yrs and then driving a CU2 I was not impressed enough to make me want to buy one. Acceleration was underwhelming and combined with the pinging problem I will steer well clear.
euro27
02-01-2010, 11:28 AM
Bilt,
I too had the same pinging problem with my 09 Euro lux and received a lovely letter from Ken Sheppard. I say 'had' because I sold the vehicle - and with only a small loss. I still had pinging even after the 'fix'. I also had faulty A/C and problems with my steering - the car was in the shop on a monthly basis (often at Honda's request to fix something else they found). Topped off with really poor service i was fed up.
If you are really unhappy about the Euro, my advice to you is to get rid of it. Trade it in/sell it and cut your losses - before the problem is more widely known. Otherwise you will spend more time, energy and money in the long run and you won't enjoy driving your car. The pinging problem has not been resolved for all (despite what some posts might say). And if you do get rid of your Euro, give HA the finger and make lots of noise about it.
Oh, and if HA are reading these posts (which I believe they are) - get stuffed!
Well said DBH, I agree that HA are reading these posts and that certain posts are clearly sympathetic to them.
buddah51au
02-01-2010, 12:07 PM
If I won the Lotto I'd go straight out and buy a 911 turbo !
Back to the pinging, if there WAS a problem why does my friends 3 month old example ping ? I will advise her to ask Honda to apply the update but shouldn't that have been done defore the car was sold to her ? Are HA/dealers selling cars and hoping for the best ? Maybe the unsuspecting new owner might not notice?
Comparing a CU2 with a 240Z is irrelevant. You miss my point that new models should be better in every aspect, the CU2 has inferior acceleration to the CL9 which shouldn't be so.
Having owned a CL 9 for 3 yrs and then driving a CU2 I was not impressed enough to make me want to buy one. Acceleration was underwhelming and combined with the pinging problem I will steer well clear.[/QUOTE].
Personally I suggest the update should have been applied, but that is up to individual dealers. Did they have the parts in stock as my understanding is parts need to be ordered.
So your saying that even though the CU2 has grown in size & wieght considerably it should out perform a CL9. That would only happen if a V6 was fitted, that wont happen as Honda already have a V6 Accord. It would also increase the price by around 10K which would then put it in a different buyers market.
I don't have an issue with the performance in any way.
denot
02-01-2010, 12:37 PM
Hmmmm euro27, i've friends that have been driving cl9 for the same duration like u, but they said the oposite... Also, i only need to drive both car for 15 mnts to choose which one should i go buy...
Also not all new model are always better than the previous one... Rx7 vs rx8? skyline r34 vs skyline v35?
buddah51au
02-01-2010, 12:48 PM
Hmmmm euro27, i've friends that have been driving cl9 for the same duration like u, but they said the oposite... Also, i only need to drive both car for 15 mnts to choose which one should i go buy...
Also not all new model are always better than the previous one... Rx7 vs rx8? skyline r34 vs skyline v35?
Your thoughts are in the majority Denot, some know very little about cars & to quote an old saying within the trade, "people want a Rolls Royce at a Budget Price". That will never happen.
As for taking sides with Honda, that will never happen. I only post what I find & believe to be fact. I originally had the pinging issue as well for just over 15,000km. That problem was resolved completely & I have not had an issue with that since the update was applied over 10,000km ago. As for other warranty issues, they amount to a grand total of 0.
CU2 Euro 09
02-01-2010, 08:34 PM
Didn't the 240Z eventually turn into the 370Z?
buddah51au
02-01-2010, 09:41 PM
Didn't the 240Z eventually turn into the 370Z?
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
denot
03-01-2010, 06:53 PM
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If I won Lotto, I would buy a Nissan GTR. No, wait a minute, An Aston Martin DB9....
Heck I buy a copter instead! no traffic jam FTW!!! :p
buddah51au
03-01-2010, 07:03 PM
A 911S would do this old fella nicely, as long as it was white......lol
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