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Originally Posted by aaronng
My car wasn’t a test car, but I have driven a test car with the JTune intake and the mild reflash installed. The following week I drove the test car with the whole Extreme package and it made the mild flash with the intake upgrade seem bland. The Intake and reflash is fantastic. The intake headers exhaust and reflash is totally amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
You have only just joined this site and have indicated to me that you are part of the Jtune "promotions" team - whatever that means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom-JTune
To this end, if you are going to post your "experiences" please tell everyone what your interest is in this product - ie do you have a financial interest or otherwise?
I think our members here would prefer a totally unbiased opinion of this product at this point in time - not someone who just joined to make a quick buck.
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Originally Posted by yfin
If you read the JTune website the Ultimate package is an upgrade for owners who own the Extreme package. The flash upgrade from Extreme to Ultimate is automatically included in the cost when you upgrade.
The cost of any reflash install is included in the cost of the product this is why you will not find an install cost.
As for a financial interest I have none, I am however part of the promotional team to provide support for the product. I’ve been hired to help answer questions which people raise regarding JTune products. I myself have ordered an Extreme package for my car and am awaiting delivery.
Interesting choice of words for someone who has no interest whatsoever - "I've been hired", "part of promotions team", "provide support", "Tom-Jtune".Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom-JTune
You then spam Euro members with advertisements over PM about Jtune products?
Wow - your email address even ends in jtune.com.au... All this work and promotion for no benefit to you whatsoever? So very generous of you.
I'll let the membership decide whether they believe anything you say - i think you are full of it and if you think the Ozhonda membership are idiots you will learn very quickly that trying to hoodwink people will hurt your sales.. Suggest you go back to your Jtune website and if someone wants to speak to you/James they can find you there.
Yup, can't wait to hear some "real" reviews on the JTune system.
Oh mad the JTune site looks crazy, well done guys now my brother needs a body kit and the JTune extreme kit. I wish more company’s would design products like this.
I love how everyone who goes against the dealer monopoly on here gets branded and scrutinised....however anyone else who is a part of the brainwashed 'clan' gets away with murder.
Congrats on the Jtune products Tom and James.
I have seen the extreme pack first hand (final production version) and the quality is sh*t hot. Once you see it, it's quite evident that heaps of time and research has been put in the design. It's definitely up there with all the jap stuff for sure. Can't wait for my mate to get his installed. Will definitely let you guys know how it goes :thumbsup:
P.S YFIN you should take it easy. Everyone has their right to post their opinions. That is why this is called a forum.
I am with Yfin on this. Everyone has a right to post there opinions, but you should also be stating what your vested interests are. Its like going out and signing all your friends up to a service or product just because you get a comission out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7ypeR
I have no problem with this product - I was previously going to purchase it myself. My role is to ensure compliance with site rules.
As we have strict rules about no commercial free advertising I find it hard to understand how someone with an email address ending in "jtune.com.au" can have no connection to the actual manufacturer Jtune. They also claim to be "hired" by Jtune and part of the "promotions" team.
Take all experiences by that member with the appropriate weight - that is my point. It is not a genuine customer experience and is clearly posted on behalf of Jtune which is not permitted. If Jtune want to advertise on Ozhonda they need to support this website and become a commercial trader. Such rules are in the interests of all members as commercial traders ensure that this site keeps going.
I'm with YFin. The feedback or reviews should be independent not related with the seller or commercial ads. Yfin and few other members have been very helpful moderator with supportive relevant information to the ozhonda members esp on euro section. Well so they know what are they talking about. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7ypeR
im with yfin ofcourse :) i mean, i love the jtune package and ill prob get the reflash, but when your stating how good it is, maybe you should add in "oh yeah, the more of these i sell the more money i get"
(thats usually what a member of a promotion team does)
Has anyone here signed up for any of the JTUNE gear yet?
The Jtune setup is meant to be low key in terms of sound to suit their target market demographic of 35+ drivers. So the sound is not meant to be loud or racey so you may be disappointed depending on what your after.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukey13
Will have to wait for somone to get this package and comment.
i've had the Header's and exhaust on my car, as a test, drove around for 2 - 3days, went to the country and back 300km's, and for just the header's and exhaust it sounds nice, and gives a noticable increase. would prob have to have the flash to top it off though
From what im reading its the Header,cat, exhaust that's making the majority of the gains. The reflash just tops it off a bit.
The H/Ex/Cat (no flash) is making a lot more gains than the Intake/Flash.
Hmmmm... Im questioning the value of the Intake and Flash only now....
Don't you already have an intake? Why not stick with that and just get the reflash. I think it is interesting to look at the standard Acura TSX Hondata reflash - it has quite a high power gain at 6000rpm (in percentage terms more than Jtune mild) but not much gain anywhere elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
The Jtune mild flash has more linear gains from as low as 3250rpm - but it just doesn't have that big power jump anywhere in the rev range. I think the Jtune mild flash is preferred as it is more useable in lower revs. You have to be at 5000rpm in the TSX reflash to feel the gain.
http://www.hondata.com/images/dynots...vs-reflash.gif
Yeah i agree.I've changed my mind and i'm not getting the extreme pack i'm just going to get mild reflash and their intake.At 4500RPM(max torque)you're getting approx.20Nm gain for a cost of $1449.Fit the I.H.E.for an approx.gain at 4200RPM of 40Nm you've got to spend $4040 plus fitting(approx.$450)This is not taking into account the discount on offer. so $$/Nm mild reflash plus intake wins!!Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
Just check those numbers Tony - looks to me around +75nm on extreme at 4500rpm (around 40% gain!) whereas mild with intake is only around +25nm at same RPM (around +15%). Extreme should be better bang for buck but you do obviously need more buck...Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
I agree with tony. Bang for buck i reckon their Intake ( no i dont have one yet) and the flash is the best value.
Im going to get the Flash and Intake:
then later:
Decent affordable headers
Mod my exhaust for about $500 to free it up.
I reckon all up Ill spend about $2500 and get 80% of the extreme package. Also I can do it bit by bit also.
LoL, yeah dont we all need more buck.
So say just gettin the reflash with the intake ( well diff one ), be still worth it? In terms of noticeable power increase that is....and maybe some sound :p
Sorry i meant extreme pack MINUS reflash.That's what i based my figures on.:oQuote:
Originally Posted by yfin
Would be good to see a chart for mild flash with aftermarket i/h/e dont you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
Extreme package is definately looking good... but quite expensive! But it sure sounds like the goods! I'm quite happy with my current mods already, so I might hold off for a while to see what others think with real-life experiences once people actually start installing them in their Euros.
yfin, in terms of performance on paper, how would you stack the Extreme package to the VE SS?
Everyone here is going to wait to see who takes the plunge first.It'll be interesting to see how many of us will by Oct.14th.
It depends - from stand still the extreme package struggles to get power to the ground. 14.8 over the 1/4 is dissapointing given the power and mph numbers. It can do better than that for sure with stiffer and lower suspension, better tyres, engine torque damper etc. The SS out of the box would run around 13.5 second over the same distance in ideal conditions. High 13s if you have a boot full of VB for your bogan mates on your way to the BBQ to watch the cricket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cranial
For rolling speeds it would be closer and it wouldn't surprise me if in some rolling situations and in the right gear the extreme is similar or even better than the SS. As much as I like the Euro the fact is 530nm is a huge advantage even for a modded Euro to compete with.
From the pricing i don't think many people will be going for the extreme package. Buying I/H/E + Reflash all in 1 go and shelling out $4000+ grand in cash is a pretty scary thing to do imo.
True, 530Nm of the SS is a force to be reckoned with, even with the extreme package for the Euro. I remember reading some Motor magazine recently that the manual SS on the dyno was putting close to 300kW rather than the advertised 270kW - pretty awesome I must say. I should really test drive one to see how the difference in torque affects the driving (and yes, I know they are totally different cars!).
So who is actually buying extreme from here?Quote:
Originally Posted by sodaz
On the front page see how they say "Jtune products are engineered and tested..." Does that mean they are providing an engineering certificate for the modifications so they become road legal? I always assumed they would not provide such paperwork but now i am not so sure.
If you price all the individual components separately by using comparable parts from aftermarket brands, it comes up to a similar price. Add up the prices for Toda headers, metal cat, K&N CAI and some dual muffler $1200 system and there is only about $500 left for ECU tuning. The reflash will give better gains than a VAFCii because of the ability to alter ignition and VTC, so in the end, this package eventhough is a lot of money, is not bad if you have the $4000 lying around.Quote:
Originally Posted by sodaz
$4000 is still less than the price of a set of 18" Rays CE28n and tyres. ;)
for mild flash could any tuner tune the reflash to sue our mod, or we have to done by the hondata dealer. what if i add more mod like cam, or Sports Injection System pluse mod i had done with I/H/E will flash still work on my car?
No tuner without the neccessary means and ways of programming the Honda ECu could do it. You only have to look at how many people on the market that actually tune Honda Factory ECU's only one that I know of and that is Hondata themselves.
No, you cannot tune the reflash. The reflash consists of settings which were tuned on a different system like a K-pro, and then ported over to the Euro's ecu where it is uploaded in 1 go by reprogramming.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatfish
ill take the plunge and get the reflash... i like the usuable increase in power (between 3-5000) and the fact theyve smoothed out the vtec curve (no drop with cams changing over)... i think itll go very nicely with my typhoon CAI, toda headers and exhaust.... hopefully make 145kw/atw
Do it this week man so i can decide before the october cut off. Im totally selfish of course.
lol but i have to take my ecu out and post it :(
i dont know how id handle it having my car off the road for 3-4days
You're in Canberra, just drive down and back. Be quicker in the long run + you get to test it on the way back. :). Now that's an idea hay ;).
As Aaron said if you want to mod your Euro this is the way to go.I'm going just for the intake and mild flash.An extra 20Nm ATW for $1400 i think is good value as i'm happy with the performance of my car as it is.
20Nm for intake and mild flash, but you get an extra 60Nm (total of 80Nm) if you put on the extreme package with headers and exhaust, that’s like three times the difference or 300% more performance for 180% more money.
Yes but then you'll need to fork out another $2600. Spare change donation anyone?
Personally I'm going to either wait till I'm bored with my current mods then upgrade or just do the reflash on the mods I've got atm.
if the 350z falls though im getting the full package
I'd like to see a dyno of mild flash with I/H/E. Lots of people already have other branded I/H/E setups and since they can't get the extreme without throwing away what they have. A mild flash might make huge differences as opposed to non-flashed.
im in the same boat, really wanna see how the flash tune with different branded I/H/E goes.
Ive already got IHE, not sure which way to go :)
you just quoted me to a T :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BiLL|z0r
yeah itll be interesting to see how it goes with other brands...
There was at one stage of development going to be a mid point or "stage 2" flash - not as conservative as the mild flash which can be used on stock cars. This stage 2 is for cars with at least an intake.
If there are enough people wanting it I would suggest you speak to them at Jtune - you might be able to convince them to release a flash that suits what you are looking for.
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Hondata Hondatech Euro Flash Stage 2 – Hondatech Cold Air Intake or Similar, Standard Or Aftermarket Headers Systems, Standard Or Aftermarket Exhaust Systems
opinion: should i get lightweight flywheel and clutch? or mild reflash?
both around same price... any thoughts?
Lightweight fly and clutch is nice but I don't think it compares to mild and intake on bang for buck. As well as smaller gains elsewhere - mild and intake peaks at +15% more power between 5250 and 6250 as well as nice increases in torque from even 2000rpm. I can't see how something like that wouldn't be a decent improvement. You also get the increase of 200rpm in the rev limit which would help keep the revs up after the 1st to 2nd gear change.Quote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
and the fact that vtec engages at 5000rpm means that once you get there every gear change will be within range :DQuote:
Originally Posted by yfin
yeah i think i might go the reflash
I reckon the lightweight flywheel is an excellent upgrade. Your butt dyno will feel it more than any bolt-on mod imo. It feels race car like cause the revs rise and drop so quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
ill just get both then :pQuote:
Originally Posted by sodaz
guy at work reckons ill loose some mid range torgue with lightened fly, is that true?
I agree. Lightweight flywheel did more than my I/H/E combined (in the first couple of gears anyway :p)Quote:
Originally Posted by sodaz
I dont have I/H/E at all, but I do have a lightweight flywheel as well as a 5.125 final drive and LSD. Makes quite a big difference to the way the car accelerates.
damn, 5.1 final drive that's CRV one, rite? nice modsQuote:
Originally Posted by Cranial
how do you compare with the stock one ,compare in the rev climb and drop?
you can feel it on the highway esp how feel lighter the rev climb.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_F
That's the spirit :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
Wanna buy me 1 too ;)
You'll need a manual version for that mod.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiLL|z0r
The Final Drive is a CL7 J's Racing one. The rev climb is faster obviously, and revs quite fast to the redline when flooring it compared to a stock. The revs also drop faster, but maybe not as fast as I thought it would. And top speed in each gear (noticable on 1st/2nd gear - I don't redline in 3rd!) is reduced slightly due to larger final drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALN
^^ that sounds awesome - I have always thought a light fly with reduced final drive would be great. So what speed does 2nd gear top out now? Stock is way too high (around 105kph).
Well, I know in 1st used to be around 60kph, now 1st goes to like 53-55kph. 2nd gear, close to 100kph but I haven't really redlined it too much and stared at the speedo to notice properly. ^^
A lower final would be good but I dont want to lower sixth for cruising.
So who has made an order an Jtune so far? Dont be shy!
I reckon I'll take the plunge...
.......wait a bit closer to runout date for the whole package, as a 10 week wait is more than likely I'd expect.
I'll think I'll just hang on to my dollars for a few more weeks yet. ;)
Im thinking ill go for it to, not 100% sure yet, got a while to decide though :)
I'm thinking about it, but i've got a 06 Auto, with 4 years of warrenty left, so i don't know what the impact will be on the warrenty?
but i'm considering voiding it.
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Originally Posted by Cranial
I think the rev droping does has to do with the flywheel but it is a nice combination to change with higher FD.:thumbsup:
Have you ever try to get the top speed for the 5.1 FD? I was thinking to get 4.7 FD since I got to replace my clutch again.
You'll have plenty of time to think about it cause like me you have an 06 so we'll have to wait even longer as the reflash is for 03-05 only.:(Quote:
Originally Posted by N3M3SIS
The 06 manual reflash I have been assured will be ready by the time the hardware is here, only a few extra dash lights to modify for apparently.......dunno about the auto though?Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
You're right.It'll be ready(man.version) 6-10 weeks after the group buy closes(14th.Oct.).I read it wrong.:oQuote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
Hey, just wondering if any of you guys out there that have their car as a test vehicle for the Extreme package to post a sound/video clip of the exhaust on your car?
That's a good question... No way would I fork out all that dough without having some kind of indication of how it sounds under low throttle as well as full throttle. It's such an important aspect of any performance mod. There's nothing worse than a bad-sounding exhaust note. :thumbdwn:Quote:
Originally Posted by ENVSSS
guys... I've been quietly following this hondata saga for a long time now... and I can honestly say I'm officially confused ! I understand that the extreme reflash will only happen if u have the Jtune products on there.. i.e the whole package... but what about the mild reflash with intake.. can it be any intake that I already have like a K&N typhon or does it have to be the Jtune one... ? sorry if the question has been answered b4 but this thread is too damn long... I may have missed something...
Thanks in advance...
Well word is that you can do that, you know K&N Typhoon and Jtune reflash, but you dont get max gain as you would with a Jtune intake, dunno wat the figure differences are, but thats wat James told me. Im in the same situation as you with the K&N Typhoon intake.
There are only 2 flashes - mild and extreme. The mild flash is for any Euro - stock or modded so you can use your existing intake.
It would be intersting to know if the Jtune and K&N intake are really all that different...Quote:
Originally Posted by TRaNz
I havent got the K&N yet, but I've heard good things about it and I've been for a drive with someone who has it... so I know what it sounds like.... but if theres gonna be a big performance difference between the 2 intakes then maybe its best to go for Jtune...
Yeah, if you dont have the K&N intake now, may aswell go the Jtune intake as its pricing is sorta similar to other intakes atm. I dont think there will be such a huge difference, just a little one though, but probably not physically noticable me thinks....
The problem with Jtune is when I called up, they said theres 8 weeks wait for an intake to get in, if I order now. I can get a K&N in about 6 days....Quote:
Originally Posted by TRaNz
Has anyone actualy done the mild refash yet ? I wanted to go in the next 2 weeks and do it... I'm a little worried about being the first thought lol it would be good to get some feed back from someone whos NOT connected to Jtune
the Jtune intake is designed facing forward... so air is actually forced into the intake... unlike others that face down, requiring the air to be sucked in...
only problem is, on the luxury the intake is directly behind a driving light, so facing forward or down would make no difference, no air is gonna get forced in there!
that being the case, i see no noticable difference in the Jtune intake and others available. all brands give slightly different power gains (injen has 3" pipe and loses abit of power low down-k&n uses 2.5")
I've hear about that.... so if I understand this right, they're using the gap in the std model of the fog lights to force air into the intake ? or have I got this wrong ?Quote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
if thats the case, how do they stop water getting into the intake when ur driving in rain ?
i was thinking the exact same thing myself... if air is getting forced in... wouldnt water? lol
personnally i see no difference in which angle it faces... if youve ever looked behind your driving light (the space where the intake resonator sits) its basically a cocoon... air will be coming in from anywhere and everywhere...
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Originally Posted by pilotb777_300
All the above is my situation. I want their intake but didnt know it was delayed...bummer. I dont want to get the flash yet until someone here I know gets it..
I dont reckon there'd be much difference between intakes frankly.