Yes my car has I/H/E. The eninge was stock. I drove my car straight from work to the strip. And i don't need to make excuses after i run times down the 1/4 like you.
Yes my car has I/H/E. The eninge was stock. I drove my car straight from work to the strip. And i don't need to make excuses after i run times down the 1/4 like you.
Basic kit on a D-series motor is a total waste of money. Might as well go for b16a and turbo that later down the track hehe.
I just question the reliability of a turbo d-series in the long run, i.e take it to the track and drive it hard for the whole day, im sure the something is bound to go wrong. Compare to a b16a, im sure it'll have less chance of breaking down.
As fishman said, timeslips proves it all. Dyno power deosn't prove anything until you take your car down 1/4mile and see what MPH it pulls.
My car makes 80 odd kw atw and does 14.7 down 1/4mile. Im sure this time has upset a few d-series turbo setup.:p
yep theoritically. who cares about what it's could or might do. it's what it actually does that matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by 040501912
i dont make excuses i state facts that gives room for improvement... as i said... plenty of proof on my first page... i can build an engine with the exact same parts as people in the usa it will have the same potential... simple common sense...
im pretty surprise people on here suppose to be open minded yet they will judge a WHOLE path of honda performance based on 1 or 2 cars..... and only see / believe what they want to see / believe...
glass is half empty when they want to be and half full on the flip side
man this thred is aimed at people who have a civic/crx who have a standard Dseries in there.... im not saying to people who have b h k's they should swap them out and replace with a D.... its letting people know they dont have to Get rid of there d if they want some more performance...Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
When you say your sure that something is boud to go wrong to do make that statement with any experience at all? or is it just a stab in the dark?
Sounds like you do some good times im guessing in a crx? a good mate of mine here in brizo has a gen 2 d16a with a bolt on turbo setup... goes very very well should see if i can get him out and do some runs and get some slips and paperwork... i know from memory hes around a sec slower then 14.7 though (could be wrong though)
Wow this thread has gone completly out of hand....
Agreed! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waggy
nah its good that people are thinking of every reason under the sun to no justify the potential of the path... because it opens up debates that are common questions for people in the situation of wondering what should i do for more power in my civic/crx with a dseries....
just a shame people start getting personal about it but hey that just shows their matureity.... end of day internet mechanics can say whatever they like but still plenty of info, results and proof on page 1 !
see u's at jamboree
all you talk about is potential. no shit there's potential. i'm talking about real life boosted d-series cars that exsist around australia. And what do you know, they all fall short and run shit times. Of course they have potential yet none of them have performed yet.
You're talking what might, or could happen. I"m talking about what is and has been happened. Seems like you're the internet mechanic here. Just putting up what other people have done on the other side of the planet.
hondatech FTW
My friends wrx has potential.
reality is another concept
I don't believe a Stock B16A = 88KW @ the wheels is faster than a boosted D16Y1/8 = 120Kw @ the wheelsQuote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
THATS IT
Maybe those other guys can't drive? heheh
this is how i see it, the yanks goes OUT and give it a go. While ppl here just all talk and blah blah.....
remember that the US has 301 million population , of which there would be atleast 16 times the amount of D series "whores" there. Of which , X amount are running crazy HP (on overrated dynos mind you lol) and hopefully nice times down the 1/4.
But this is OZ and we have about 3 people in all of this country with actual worked D series setups. Everything else is a pod filter and a fart cannon
.Its nice to back guys up that have a similar BASE engine , but its even better to prove you can drive and take it to the 1/4 and run some times to move heads.
whose the driver, what tires they using? so u cant really judge on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
the more kw@ wheels ofcourse will go faster in theoritical way!! basic rules of power/weight ratio !! n how good is the driver!!
lots of HP but lots of spinning can make shitty times
mind you that some of the built D series are SHOW CAR... not racing car :) no matter what your choice is, boosted or swap engine. it is for your own satisfactions. and your own dream.
dont listen what other people that keep flaming on you. JUST DO IT !!
ROFL.. agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by riceball
"SHOW CAR" FTW..
My D16a8 EG back in the days ran 15.1@89mph , 2.1 sec 60ft
Mods : Intake , header , exhaust , heavy duty clutch and unichip .
Dynoed at 68kw@wheel ish
I tried what I can already to run it as fast as I can in NA form.
I gave up on D and went into B swap and now K swap
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...u/YONASeg5.jpg
whoot YONAS u rule!! :p
Who said Ds cant go under a 14 you moron your friends obvisouly are about as clueless as you the Point is there saying that D isnt bad and just incase you are blind or illiterate... maybe you should click the links and actually read the times of a few of these crap Ds you keep refering to but i must be a dumb ass if i am reading 11 second times... on cars that have spent money on turbo kits and that extra they could have spent on a B convert but didnt and spent it on internals n crap and ended up with a bloody quick car... \ give it up manQuote:
Originally Posted by fishman
LOL @ TURBO D series!
POTENTIAL!
D series are the best, they have HEAPS OF POTENTIAL! U fellas wouldnt know.. its all about potential.
fully sick to the sickestttttttt
I'd pick d series turbo over any other motor, only because it has SUPER potential, much more than a b series or nething like that.. its so totally bang for buck.. the extra bit of money in doing a built b series turbo setup is no way near worth the extra power.. thats if there is ANY! ZOMG D SERIES FFTW!!!!!! i mean OMG, b series u have to buy atleast 2 cam shafts! and gears!!! thats rite!! 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!! totally not worth it..
Verdict = d series is uber cool.
You're a noob buddy. You should just stay out of it. When the did anyone say d-series the cars from that states are slow. We are talking about cars here. And no SHIT you can make a d-series fast with a good amount of $$$.Quote:
Originally Posted by hondavti25
You should ask Lyle out on a date, you boys would make a nice couple.
i know a boosted d series motor with stock internal ran a 14.9 tuned by a really known company with a redicalous dyno figure.... so i guess dyno figures cant tell your 1/4 mile time.. if i had a D series motor man ill do wat the guys do on youtube fill the motor up with water and redline the crap out of it until it stops.....
AHAHAH D SERIES FAST??? if they are so fast why isnt everybody modifying their D series? makes sense doesnt it? saying a D series is fast is like saying Hyundai excels are fast....if the D series had soo much potential everyone would have kept their good ol d series instead of doing engine conversions........YOU GUYS ARE SILLLLLLLLLLLLLY...if you think D series have lots of potential to go fast your obvisouly in denial...maybe you should seek medical help???
the fact is in AUSTRALIA D series even with turbos are slow slow slowww...Most do them up for wank factor, big tachos and body kits,subs etc...thats why they slow...but even without that it would be slow..its just fact.......unless u spend a fair bit of money u might get something half decent...but then its not value for money anymore......its okay to be original but your just kicking yourself in the bum bum if you think your gonna get a fully sick GTR out of a D series for a decent amount of money....maybe i should ask my mum to turbo her d series and it'll go fast...and put some NOS as well and NEONS!!!!
ok i think i've said enough...the point here is D series fast=in denial (for wasting soo much money on something soo sillllly)
hemp i guess he just cant get traction :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by todas**t
lol yes that makes sences doesnt it that because a car is in the US its quicker then an Aus car... lol so what if i take my car to the US it automaticaly becomes quicker lol ok man good come back with that one aye lol if you guys dont like D dont read it
nah just a waste of money all togther.....Quote:
Originally Posted by 040501912
they wont let u drive your car there to so it makes u slower.....Quote:
Originally Posted by hondavti25
i dont understand? obvisouly over there they've spent a SHIT load of money....if u want to spend your life savings goo ahead do your d series up...i never said there was anything wrong with that...facts is facts if D series was such an awesome engine why the hell did honda make the B series then the K series? why isnt the D series in the TYPE R's? soo much potential.......its okay if u have a D series i used to have one as well i understand why your angry!Quote:
Originally Posted by hondavti25
are you guys all just stupid ... no one said they where better... at all they said they have potential and the point was for the money a person who owns a D COULD spend on a B convert would get a better gain spending the money on a turbo kit... and you cant argue with that coz its a fact... BUT if you OWN a b you wouldnt convert to a D so all you tools that are coming up with this stuff about people saying that Ds are better then Bs etc learn to read what is being said this hole thread was ment to be showing people what a D CAN do i think thats a fair point.Quote:
Originally Posted by froggy
omg, you're a complete dick. i think you have retard issues if you don't understand what i said in the earlier post.Quote:
Originally Posted by hondavti25
me the complete dick your the one that comes on bad mouthing when not a soul said to any one that a B was bad or better then a D get over it you clowns argue about somthing important rather then my B is better then your D GROW UP
i think we need some ice in here .. lol
either B or D they are a respected engine. in many views. both are engineered by HONDA and they are made for a purpose!!
then y bother get involuved for then? especially when you know shit all about honda and it's motors. And the whole point of this thread was to show how awsome the D-series Turbo is, and i'm dissagreeing posting arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by hondavti25
Unlike you just posting useless rubbish.
you must be getting ripped off if you think its cheaper to Turbo a D series correctly then swap to a b......sure if u only buy a second hand turbo kit without internals, computer, tuning...it can be cheaper...but your car wont run very well will it...D series does not have that much potential...or else u would have seen alot more around.....fact is fact...stop denying the factsQuote:
Originally Posted by hondavti25
How can you turbo a D series be cheaper then a B16a conversion?
yeh bro ur tha complete dick, u got that right:wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by hondavti25
Ok I have been staying out of this for a few pages now as it seems it has taken a turn for the worst and gone off topic but I wanted to post this. It is pretty simple to know that compared to other Honda engines D series is the baby and yes any other turboed Honda engine would in most cases work better then a turboed D and produce better results. When I was first looking at doing the engine on my civic I had decided on a budget of 5000$. With this target in mind I went out and looked at my options and I to came down the B series vs turboed D dilemma. Now with this budget I could have easily thrown in a B series, but with this and my budget a B series just wouldn’t produce the power I was looking for (not saying B series in NA form are slow, and I know there are a lot out there running awesome times, however most of these do run stripped interiors and I just simply wish to keep my interior intacked, this is my own choice and I have nothing against people who do strip, so in saying this if I wasn’t going to strip I needed more power going by the old weight vs power rule). So for me and my budget a turboed d seemed to be the best choice. With this budget and now knowing my direction I went out and researched what I could get, I kind of realised important things to go on the turbo set up with ecu, injectors, decent exhaust, ect. Now with spending the money on these and the turbo parts to get it going my budget nearly vanished which made me conclude that I wasn’t going to have the money to do up the internals on my d series. This decision means I could not get massive power and run massive boost into my engine. Therefore limiting my engine to around 250hp atw as seems to be the limit for a stock block turboed d. now 250hp in a civic isn’t that bad at all so I wasn’t to fused with this. I don’t plan to keep this car forever but in the time I have it I want it to be as fun as possible (yes I do have fun driving a turboed d). So with the parts now figured out I went out and put it all together. With the parts I have I don’t believe I will hit the 250hp mark (gets dynoed this weekend) but as we all know we can only go as fast as we can afford, and I simply cannot afford to spend anymore money engine wise on this car. My car isnt a drag or track car. it is a daily driver that i can have fun in and occassional show. However with what I have spent I am very happy with the results I am seeing, I can defiantly see where the money has went and i am very happy i decided to go on this path, as i said this was the best hp gain i could get in the money i was willing to spend and i dont intend to upgrade the engine any further ON THIS CAR. but if i was rich i wouldnt be driving a d. as quoted from before u only go as fast as u can afford.
now this reply isnt meant to cuase arguements it is just to show others what motives people might have to do a d over another honda engine. value for money, thats all it is.
(ps i reacon it was better first time i typed it, haha my net fudged up which made me loose it had to retype)
What a cool thread to read. haha keeps me entertain.
All i can say is, B-series at the end of the day has more potential and cost in the long run will be less.
Take for example our B20 hybrid set-up. Its currently running 13.4 @103 MPH for an untuned motor. This basic set-up wont set you back a huge amount, as it only cost us roughly 6k to build up the engine. How much money would you have to used for a turbo D-series to get to this 1/4 mile time? Many would find it hard to even reach this time. Wait until we get this motor tuned, then we are talking 12's which will be a completely different story :) .
Besides 1/4mile, have any turbo d-series seen the circuit/track racing? How reliable are they? Can they sustain an entire day of constant torture?
ne1 got ne figures from.. hmmm... say a b18cr turbo?
is everybody forgetting jon's old Gen2 CRX or andy's? pretty sure they both made 11's by the end, or at least low 12's... and they were both D16. not that they really hold relevance to the original topic, that on a low budget, you're gonna get more kw out of a turbo-d than a near-stock B16 (and you get the bonus pshh!!) but it can and has been done in Aus.
and jase.. with any luck, by the end of the year, you'll have your ride in a quick turbo-d. ;)
B18CR + 7 psi AVO t28 turbo kit + 2.5 inch catbackQuote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../dynosheet.jpg
that is the point right there mate :) for a low budget for some one who alreadys owns a D your better off turboing it then havin a basic NA B series...Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurius
:cool: :cool: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurius
Look forward to it.
B series turbo FTW:thumbsup:
and i guess you would know right... have you ever owned either of them? just talking out of your ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by hondavti25
how about we just wait for aza to run down the quater and see how it goes. i think his spent around $5k from what he said (note his car was already turbo charged so some of the cost already taken care off).
yeah ur right mate i saved a little bit, not to much though as how it was last turboed by the previous owner damaged a few parts (turbo, front mount, bov, o and engine) but i gained in intercooler piping, alloy radiator, turbo manifold, few extra bits and pieces.
i give up argueing PEACE to all
^^^ hahahahahaha i love this thread!!!!
funny thing is so do it, great read for a boring day at work :D
meh don't mind the haters guys.
I'm actually genuinely interested to see how a D with a basic turbo setup and associated bits would go. Especially in comparison with sometime like what i've got (standard b16 in a mostly stock chassis) and even a b16 with I/H/E.
The only real way to prove the "path" is to compare it. I don't care what anyone else says. Its like having someone tell you that being jewish is better because they said so lol.
EDIT: No offence to anyone from any particular religion. it was just an example. Adam Sandler is Jewish and he's cool lol :thumbsup:
I'm really surprised this hasn't been closed yet.
Possibly the most active thread I've ever seen in the FI section lol.
It'll be nice to see what you run Aza.
gud one!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
lol there will always be haters. but i dont do it for anyone else i do it for my own enjoyment. its a ball to drive when it gets its boost on.
ps being jewish is cool, haha just kidding im not religious at all
Will you be going to Jamboree?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aza
haha me neither but i don't wanna upset anyone lol :cool: :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aza
at this stage yes
are u going to drag or show n shine?
haha leaning more for the dragging, it will make my weekend more exciting, show and shines are normally boring as hell.
yeah they are, so come and drag. i want to see ur car run and see wat times it gets. jambo this year is going to be good...MHMHWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! LOL
Lyle, why do u care so much about people liking d-series? Cause u want respect from the b-series crowd? U want jdm ball hangers? is that it...?
yeah i think this years jambo will be... interesting to say the least. think honda cruise will be good to
Well he won't get JDM ball hangers just cause of the way his car looks. Its not JDM at all.
D16y1Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
Greddy turbo kit, 2.5" exhaust
From a roll, i beat NSX-GT 2nd-mid 4th gear when the NSX's aero-dynamics took over. Pretty much says it all, hey? All you NA are belong to us...
lol.
Still will be interesting to see lol
lets not all forget now.
all depends on the driver as well.
ahhahaha
f'n oath it is! i may be there, for drag, but probably won't have the build done by then, will definetely be there to spectate though. inthered will be up, including hass' K24 del sol, running 12's on a stock engine, i only hope to get close to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jooboo
yeah will be lots of fast hondas there, cant wait to see what 90 POV runs
Dyno figures dont lie. I spent 3k on my first turbo-d setup, and it munched every single b/h/k that ever got in its way. Im talking street racing in a full interor car. Not a stripped out track car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson
Stock d-series will run 100-103mph in full interior, bolt-on. But with 20x the torque of ur weaksauce b-series.
tru that, some fast hondas. il be there too with my k-series jazz ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aza
jamboree should be gud this year :thumbsup:
what did you run down the 1/4 with your stock greddy setup?Quote:
Originally Posted by Weq
I never ran the 1/4. Im a street racer, dont care. Output was 140fwkw with as much torque on 11psi.Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
Similiar setups run 14.5-13.5 depndiong on many factors including driver, tyres, elevation and temps.
Did i mention how cheap d-series parts are? Alot of aftermarket. I blew 3 built engines, and didnt pay as much as a b-series swap.
Where is RICER in this thread....he just turboed his single cam D series motor. Plus he has driven a EG with a b16a so it'll be great if he has a review of what he thinks.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Weq
As fun as the old traffic light grand prix is, it's no timeslip... and there are precious few turbo d-series timeslips to be found in Australia. No shortage of weaksauce b-series timeslips though.
Results vs Hot air if you ask me. Pun intended.
Ive driven almost every combination known in the honda community. Driven in ranges from a week to a day. Ive owned a fair few combinations too.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
AUDM B16a
JDM B16a
JDM B18C
H22a EG
K20 EG
Turbo JDM B16a
Turbo Semi-Buiilt B16a (250kw)
S/C Built b18C
D16
Turbo D16
Turbo Built D16 (220kw)
S2000
NSX
In the end, a D16 will give u enough power to blow traction in 1-3rd on the street. If u want to be a hi-way warrior and take on the bikes, b-series will blow 4th and race through 5th.. But they are for real men!!!
Who said timeslip = fast car??? And who says street racing is the occasional tlgp?Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
I dont care if u dont think the d is fast. You will just be another kill on my list. Just like the NSX. Dave will show u the power graph, blowing off the rollers at 8000rpm cause of all its torque.
Under-estimation is the d-series power.
I wonder how many of the d-series haters in this thread have even driven a turbo d ??? ?? ?? ? ????
*all quite on the western front*
*tumbleweed*
Yeh, thought so... Now make a comment with all your experience and knowledge......
*tumbleweed*
Dont get me wrong, fastest FWD car ive ever driven was a b-series. It was great fun. If u can get one for free/come stock and built it right, u will love it. But swapping out ur D for a B, without 200+kw goals, ur just going to be dissapointed with the money VS power.
And thats what it comes down to right? There is no argument. No one is saying swap out ur b for a D. thats just stupid... well unless the d-series is built and turbo and ur b-series is stock :)
sweet that means there is yet to be seen a timeslips in oz of a bolt on d-series turbo in the 13 sec region.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weq
good reliability too, for someone who only races on the street. blown 3 engines, but who cares it's super cheap.
So how much for you to build a D-series for some of the boys on here. I would imagine under $800? Since a eg6 front cut is around $2500 and you've blown 3 built d-series and is still under that right.
No one is saying if you put a lot of work into a d-series it won't be fast.
I know, even in your sarcasm you proved my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
3x set of pistons (2xcp, 1xweisco) - $1500
1x set of rods (eagle) - $400
2x blow heads (due to improper building) - $250
3x gasket kits - $400
Homejob everything else. Just like your homejob install for the b16a.
Do the math.
F*ck off with your timeslips. You have the power under your foot. Goto WSID every week and watch the b-series run 15.5 too 14.8 in 90-100kw torqueless b-series. Pa-th-f*ing-ic. i tell me friends 'hey its fast, for a NA honda..' they just laugh at me. 'but dude, its got 2 cams and vtec. very powerful per NA ltr!!' *more laughs as a stock commo run 14.5.