Both are professional drivers, the Drift King in the EG and his mate in ther RX8... That EG is a monster.
aaronng heard of Drifting?
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Both are professional drivers, the Drift King in the EG and his mate in ther RX8... That EG is a monster.
aaronng heard of Drifting?
I think you watched too much Initial D. They are not drifting in that vid. Heck, Tsuchiya was going "scary, scary, scary, scary", and the other driver went "dangerous!"Quote:
Originally Posted by DUST
if its a swift gti, then that alone is an advantage. 110hp from a car weighing 750kg is surprisingly fast. from the factory, the old swift gti could run low 15s/high 14s with just decent tyres and nicely timed shifts.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
jimmy's gti is faster than that., damn you fatboyz and your fast 1.3L under estimated car!
Err get the facts right. Stock swift gti runs 16sec/ 17sec down the 1/4mile.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeverAMV
There is only a handful of swift that does 15 sec let alone in the 14 second bracket.
Plus they don't weigh 750kg, more like 900kg.
I like the RX8... :D
*Gets ready to be flamed*
time for some head work.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mqt55s
who cares how fast they are any way they look alright.
swift gti's used to be a popular choice in the 90's. i used to want one in high school.
my facts are straight. if you dont believe me call up suzuki themselves. a mark 3 without power steering and air conditioning weighs 750-800kg. and they do run high 14s low 15s in factory. my brother owns one so i know how fast they go. BRAME's go faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
and what are you talking about handful of swifts that do 15 second let alone 14 second. the current fastest ff on street tyres is dmw daves gti running 11.248 seconds. 2swift runs 12s, and a lot of other turbo'd swifts run 12s.
lol dont preach to fatboyz about swift gti's. if his gti can do 1.56 at EC first time out, he knows what hes talkin about.
im sure he's talkin n/a too, not 12 second turbo swifts.
From Carsales.
SUZUKI SWIFT SA GTI - Kerb mass (kg) 750
Suzuki Swift GTI SF - Kerb mass (kg) 835
Lets all own swift if they are that quick. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by SeverAMV
DmwDave swift is turbo charged and has the lot done to it. 30-40psi up its arse.
Stock GTi does weigh around the 750-800kg. They cant run high14's or low 15's stock. Trust me we personally have own 4 swifts already and is no way near that time bracket. You'll be lucky to hit high 15's.
You gota remeber fatboyz swift is still N/A 1.3l with the usual N/A bolt-on mods. he does really well against turbo swift. turbo swift runs mid to low 14's.
HAha swift power. 185kph down the straight at 8100rpm in 4th. Seems like something is gonig to break at that speed. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by mqt55s
hahaha this thread turned from RX8 to SWIFT thread....go back to redlinegti.com u swift lovers!
rx8 is nice to look at. i havnt driven one nor raced one. but i gota say they do appear slow. If it was RX8 or DC2R id pick dc2r to perform better....
Ok last post from me about the swifts. Yes brame's are the limited edition one, there only abit faster. You are comparing n/a to turbo? not this again. Send me a link of a factory gti doing 15's let alone 14's.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeverAMV
rx8 vs dc2r? i'd say they're both pretty even.
rx8 mid to low 14's stock, and at the recent track event my mate got a 1:16(wakefield) with just coilovers. so i'd say pretty much same performance.
DC2Rs can do 1:16 without coilovers.Quote:
Originally Posted by mqt55s
rx8 is easier 2 go fast.. but not faster...
I was suprise it did 1.16. Awesome time. that was his frist time out too i tihnk.
All in all, the RX-8 has more power, a chassis that is easier to drive hard and is RWD, giving it more traction under power so you can apply throttle earlier at the apex rather than having to wait until it is almost straight.
But, all the above sounds like a good street sports car. The DC2R is the opposite. You have to work for your power, you have knife-edged steering response, the car sits flat when at 10/10 on the track and all the luxuries like climate control, sound deadening and cruise control are absent to save weight.The DC2R may not have outright speed, but it is a hell of a daily drivable track car. That was what the Type R philisophy was about. A hard edged track car that you could drive to and from the track, as well as be a daily driver.
theres more in it. semi's, swaybars and correct damper settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
awesome car. i'd choose it over the dc2r. luxury, looks good, stock- goes fast enough for me.
so as mazda. if you want a fast straight line mazda "sports" car, dont pick the RX8.Quote:
Originally Posted by |N|
FD RX7 would be your best friend.
yes, and yesQuote:
Originally Posted by vti_ek9
redline at around 9250rpm.....Quote:
Originally Posted by vti_ek9
depends on how you drive it.... if you are lead footed, expect to visit the servo more often. alot of rx8 owners have gave up checking on the km's....Quote:
Originally Posted by joey99
right.... so you have never checked the engine oild or topping up the engine oil? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by joey99
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Originally Posted by Zilli
if you read joey99's later post, he has already corrected himself....Quote:
Originally Posted by 350G
each to their own. im sure alot of the rx8 owners would think an EK is piece of shit...Quote:
Originally Posted by zco
seriously, do you think the rx8 owners would even bother to "race" an ek....Quote:
Originally Posted by zco
thats exactly what i was thinking...... good call vinnie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinnie
at the end of the day, an rx8 is pretty okay for what it is... and i still dont know why ppl would compare it with the FD RX7... they are both aimed at different markets... (rx8 = older/mature generation, rx7 = younger, wanna-go-faster generation)
unfortunately... you lose a couple of inch of head room with the sunroom.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ROLLED
you can not use the tech you use for a b20 to drive an rx8..... anyway, each to their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by flipstar
there is nothing wrong with that....Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
i like hondas.
thats because they dont look all that "aerodynamic" like most of other high powered sports cars :pQuote:
Originally Posted by .::F[L]Y::.
hate to bring this up million years later.. but umm that just annoyed me a bit.. 177kw an 1350kg doesnt equal low 5's... so im assuming that 206kw and 1560kg doesnt equal sub 5's to 100 either???Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
On paper it doesnt look right.. but in the real world?? The gtr has 206kw, and massive weight... but clocks 100 in 4.7secs???
and b4 everyone starts with the 4wd crap and blah blah blah... the rx8 doesnt cop much wheelspin (if any) off the line. They dont do mid 5's anyway, and having driven a dc2r... i must say that handling wise.. its fkn perfect for a fwd and the rotary is a menace in the 7k rpm+ id say the dc is quicker in the long range..
on paper my car is 960kg and 141kw ~ probably gets to 100 in around 5.5 but who cares ?
Lets keep the discussion about the 1.3's.
IE the gti and RX8's lol
You picked the wrong example. Try an example that isnt underquoting to abide with the gentlemans agreement to stick with 206kw in Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by silver_screen
The RX8 is not underquoted.
yes they would, they think it's gonna be an easy kill and teach the kid a lesson, then they get shitted on the face and cops a golden shower...Quote:
Originally Posted by EZZY
Yes as yfin said gtr is under quoted on power, and more important you can launch these thing at 7000 or even 8000 and it just sling shots off the line, something which the rx8 can never do.Quote:
Originally Posted by silver_screen
an eg wouldnt beat an rx8.. the power difference is too great, eg's dont rev hard or high enough, and neither does an ek.. a DC2R would be an appropiate sparring partner for straight line performance.. they both do 0-100 in the mid to low 6's eg's take forever and eks take even longer
your talking about gli eg's and ek's arent you?
a h22a in a ek would do alright though :d
At the end of the day, an RX8 is a sports car, and a civic is a shopping trolley...
Last I checked, the Civic could carry 5 people in addition to your groceries over a range of over 400km. Doesn't sound like a shopping trolley to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by IRI
no.. no im not... those take even longer and i wouldnt even bother mentioning them against any car..Quote:
Originally Posted by d15z1SUX
an ek isnt that much slower than a type r i thought? dc2r does 0 - 400m in mid 14's to high 14's. ek vtir does the quarter in low 15's? so that would translate to a low 7 second 0 - 100kph?
RX7 was aimed at Porsche, whilst RX8 at Integras, 200SX's etc
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Originally Posted by e240
ahahh and also
Rotary
2. round and round and not up and down
That sounds exactly like a shopping trolley:wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
EK VTiR do the 0-400m around 7.7 to 7.8s.
Nothing to brag about. I have driven the EK4s completely stock and modded. EK4 stock is slow as. If you don't launch it properly it'll do around 8.0s (timed using accelerometer). Very underpowered stock EKs it feels like its not moving.
Mod it however it turns into a beast. Even with I/H/E it feels much faster especially at higher revs. Very good rolling speed but at the same time, still a very ordinary launching speed. A stock Lancer 1.8L will still beat a modded EK4 time after time, yet, race on a roll and the EK would kill the lancer by miles. Just different torque distribution curve really.
Anyway, stock RX-8s are definitely much faster than stock EKs but against modded EK, I would say RX-8 launches better but rolling start, both similar enough.
By the way like YFIN said the GTRs are always underquoted. And even if it wasn't, it has AWD launch plus Turbo. Turbo torque distribution means it has more area under the curve so even if both cars were 206KW, the one with more torque will always accelerate faster. 2ndly AWD gives it better 0-60ft time so again it goes faster again.
Not sure if ppl realise but a 5s 0-100km/h FWD vs a 5s 0-100km/h RWD vs a 5s 0-100km/h AWD will actually still have speed differences. It depends how much distance they need to obtain 0-100km/h. So if you think the 0-100km/h is all that matters then pls remember, i.e. an AWD at 6.0s probably sounds slow but it will actually still beat most other 5.5 or 5.8s 0-100km/h cars. Rolling start is another matter but if you race from the lights at drag strip the time shown and who reaches line first will differ.
Anyway, the RX-8s are OVER-QUOTED. Had a lawsuit and recall in the US due to that matter lol.
Wow, the M5 is a shopping trolley too! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by IRI
right... now i have heard everything..... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Barge Ass
http://www.autoweb.com.au/cms/A_1011...8/article.html
http://editorial.carsales.com.au/pri...&ModID=1602845Quote:
The RX-8 doesn’t seem to have any direct competitors. The 350Z in Australia seems to be it’s rival, but the Nissan accepts only 2 people, has less storage space and has a strong 3.5 litre engine. Price tag is similar, starting at $59,990.
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring...ports/pgto.htmQuote:
COMPETITORShttp://editorial.carsales.com.au/car...t/blueline.gif
Direct competition? None. No other vehicle offers four door, four seat versatility in a high performance sports coupe body for under $60,000. However, there are cars which do supply similar in-cabin versatility and scintillating performance.
The base-model Mazda RX-8 Holden Monaro CV8 is one, BMW 325Ci is another, though performance on the price competitive 320Ci is not strong. Consider also the Honda S2000, Audi A4, Lexus IS200 and Nissan 350Z, which match some of the RX-8's abilities, but not all. Consider also the Subaru Impreza WRX in high performance STi form, though its links to the basic $20,000 Imprezas harm any prestige aspirations.
Possibly the most logical cmpetitor is the Subaru Liberty GT, scheduled for Australian launch in September 2003. It has similar performance from its turbocharged 2.0-litre engine, though it is all-wheel drive and has a more conventional sedan body. Tough choice that one.
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At the end of the day, the Pontiac GTO looks like a car that would sell extremely well in Australia, but as it stands, Holden only plans on exporting them for the über-lucrative American markets. Direct competitors to the GTO will be BMWs 3 Series, the Chrysler Crossfire, Mazda RX8, Nissan 350Z, Ford Mustang GT, and Dodge's new Charger.
rotary is a 4 stroke engine u clown and no it doesnt do them all at the same time. it operates every 1/3 of a crank turn. so 3 full crank turns = 1 rotary turn (both rotors)
a 4 cyl is 1/4 each.. so every 1/4 of the crank turn, theres a power stroke. 6 cyl is obviously 1/6 and 8's r 1/8, hence y theres no much that will idle as smooth as an 8 (when left stock ofcourse)
the reason the rotor so much power compared to pistons is because 1.. they dont lose any power to friction from going up and down and turnin cams and all that bullshit. 2nd they take in more air due to its volumetrics and because of this, they drink more fuel (hence the not so good economy) and when turbo charged, u take advantage of it all and get massive gains like 800kw 2lt engines... ridiculous... but like i said b4.. rx8 is great stock against civics, but against an itr or 200sx... thats where the bullshit stops and everyone walks away from the rx8.. its a soft sports car compared with what its up against
Incorrect, 4 stroke, 4 cylinder = 2 power strokes per revolution, not 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by silver_screen
4 stroke, 6 cyl = 3 power strokes/revolution
4 stroke 8 cyl = 4 power strokes/revolution
Each cylinder has 1 power stroke every 2 revs.
roflcopter. i think ur missing the point. An RX8 was made ground up to be a fun sports car. A civic was made to do exactly what you said "carry 5 people (more like 4 realistically) get the groceries and get 400km out of tank". the 'sports car' (vtir type r whatever) civic were made as an after thought. Honda can turn a 'shopping trolley' (;)) into a well balanced sports better then anybody, but comparing these two cars (civic and rx8) is totally ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
and u guys gotta realise ur asking a honda forum if a mazda rx8 can beat a honda blah blah blah, doesnt matter how good rx8's are the majority of people will say hondas are the best because its a honda enthusiasts forum etc etc etc ....
i reckon rx8s are tops =) but the most legendary mazda are the s8 rx7s imo. shits over any honda
:eek::eek::eek: lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Omotesando
at the end of the day the rx-8 is prob faster in a straight line than a dc2r but i dont see the prob with that... the rx-8 is a newer model but was not designed to have the track focus the dc2r has, jus depends what ppl want in a car :)
also, i rekon if u posted this thread on a mazda forum theyde get a great laugh out of overrating their hondas straight line speed (above quote not included) :p
what about a nsx-r ???? it wouldnt just shit all over it but flush it down the toilet tooQuote:
Originally Posted by boosted_andy
if a 10k shopping trolley can beat a sports car worth 60k
wouldnt the 60k sports car driver be piss off ????
RX8 and NSX-R are different cars aimed at different markets.Quote:
Originally Posted by 90LAN
why dont you compare the NSX-R to say a Porsche GT3?
maybe when i was younger, but not anymore. at the end of the day, it is still a 10k shopping trolly car. you'd find the majority of the rx8 owners have a "spare" shopping trolly car thats worth more than 10k :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by 90LAN
please read what boosted andy has said .................Quote:
Originally Posted by EZZY
why dont u watch best motoring videos ????????
why do rx8 owners say that the rx8 is slow and it needs a turbo charger added ??????
funny after paying 60 k for a sports car and rx8 owners still say it is slow
hmmmmmm.......
because some of tehm have realised that they have made a 60k mistake. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by 90LAN
i dont think the RX8 is slow by any means, and i never have wanted to add a turbocharger onto it, even though i have been offered a "deal" a couple of yeras ago.
you'd find these are "younger gen" ppl who bought the car for its looks and thought he/she could "get used to" the performance, and not knowing how to drive the thing properly. :thumbdwn:
RX8 is a luxury sports car (if you can call that...) and in most cases, it does not have a direct competitor......
same question abck to you.... why do these DC2-R ppl modding their engines to get more power... ;)
same question abck to you.... why do these DC2-R ppl modding their engines to get more power... ;)[/QUOTE]
becos they they have still have 40k to spend with their 60k they didnt spend on a rx8!!!!! lol
you missed my point... we are not talking about the price of the car here, its all about the choice of the car.....Quote:
Originally Posted by 90LAN
it isnt too much to spend 60k on a car nowadays.
Haha. sorry about the type there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinnie
Should read 0-100kph in 7.7-78s.:wave:
heres a clip i found of the RX8 in action.
quote from the old guy driving the S2 ' the rx8 is slow' LOL
http://www.gtchannel.com/content.php?cid=5764
give me the car...I'll drive it fast... :p
this thread getting repetitive.
to sum up the last 12 pages: honda civic will beat most cars bar porsche's, m power bmw's, lambo's etc.
Well not surprised Tsukuba is not the track for the RX-8. A bit too long of a straight! Also on other Best Motoring Vids the RX-8s do better not sure why either. Wonder what tyres the cars use.
Funny how in J-land they all think the S2000 is the best cornering machine but in Aust the media says its too nervous at the limit. Not sure why. Too many question marks.
The Skyline looks impressive nevertheless.
s2000 is good in the right hands. i think alot of the motoring journos in australia arent exactly pro drivers.
the facelifted s2000 is meant to be more forgiving with its handling due to the response to the pre facelift s2000.
rotary isnt a perfected engine system.
rumours ive heard of tests that try to make diesel turbocharged rotary and hyrbid rotary.
i asked a 40yr old mechanic (old tafe teacher) about this concept and he straight away got to thinking about the diesel rotary.
and he stated that, a diesel turbocharged diesel, will eventually have a balance of economy, hp and brute torque.
rotary will soon take over.
more compact, equal in performance, less maintenance, no timing problems.
i wudnt mind a honda rotary. with some new vtec technology .. bt i dont know how thats gonna work since rotarys dont use camshafts -.-"
honda rotary ftw.
then you can say.. thats a type-R .. :D
scchwweeet
Tsukuba's straight too long? LOL. It's not long at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omotesando
BTW, you have to remember, it is the AP1 that is nervous at the limit. The AP2 is less. But I have a Best Motoring video showing the difference at the limit between an AP2 and the 350Z. It is a very big difference and what Tsuchiya said, at the limit in a 350Z, you are only 8/10ths committed. In an AP2, you are 10/10ths committed. If he can say that about the AP2, imagine the AP1! :)
If you said a rotary engine with VTEC, then unfortunately we cannot take you seriously. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by OMG.JAI xD
dc2r was 40k new.Quote:
Originally Posted by 90LAN
rx8 is 60k with luxuries.20k difference. 20k in luxuries doesnt seem all that much to me, considering how much packages/accesories/options cost from dealers.
if honda had those options for the dc2r (leather seats, sound deadening, bose sound system, 18's etc) im sure it'd be close to 60k as well.
they bother perform pretty much the same, tho one more raw(itr), the other refined(rx8).
the cars are aimed at different markets. any1 been to an rx8 cruise? counted how many ppl under 30? now who's been to an OH cruise and counted how many are on p plates?
whoever saying that an rx8 is slow, would also be saying that the itr is slow.
keep an open mind ppl, makes for a better discussion.
well u dont know your dc2 type r's becos they were never a luxury car they were built with f1 technolgy for weekend track orientated car
20 grand in extras u would be a sucker to pay that much
rx8 is a good car but paying 60k u want a car that goes faster then a claimed 6.2 sec 0-100km
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Originally Posted by mqt55s
Quote:
Originally Posted by 90LAN
please highlight where i said the dc2r was a luxury car. i said the rx8 was a luxury car with sports performance.
i said a dc2r is a sports car with no luxuries, performing the same as an rx8. the 20k difference is somewhat justified in the extra's you get.
"paying 60k u want a car that goes faster then a claimed 6.2 sec 0-100km"
http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au...p?key=HOND03BM
s2000 rrp 75k, 0-100 ~6s
get off honda's dick. as i said before, keep an open mind, makes for better discussions.
for what the rx8 its an awesome car. no one can argue that fact.
someone mentioned above that the rotary engine is less maintenance BAHHH!
anyways rx8 has the best steering i have ever felt. its an awesome chasis. i however dont like the engine (in stock form) tuned might be another story. i feel that the time shown for the rx8 is good considering its weight. my father has the rx8 and myself a dc2r when we gave it once rolling start i gave up before the end of 2nd because it was over (all done under the speed limit) was an unfair test as because of variable factors. feel wise though the dc2r feels quicker.
i think the rx8 is a harder car to drive fast in a straight line hence all the smokage stories.
funny coming from a pulsar guy
wonder what a rx8 would cost with a drop top ???
80k plus 20 k in luxuries lol
i would rather buy a mazda 6 mps or a mazda 3 mps than a rx8
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Originally Posted by mqt55s
i dont understand why it would be funny coming from "a pulsar guy".
oh and an rx8 is 50k, not 60,000, so only 10k extra than a dc2r new.
so a car that has about the same performance, with more luxuries for an extra 10k...i dunno where all the rx8 hate is coming from, they're good cars. great comfort for everyday driving, and can still give "weekend track orientated car with f1 technolgy" a good battle out on the track.
becos the luxury sports car got beaten by a cheap shopping trolley powered by a lawn mower motor civic thats allQuote:
Originally Posted by mqt55s
its not a bad car but it needs a turbo charger to make it more special
i think mazda has to do it soon as all its other cars have turbo's (mps series)
lol i said vtec technology..i know u can NEVER put vtec n rotary together.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
manz who knows, japs will think of something lol -.-"
bt meh .. honda rotary wud b nice.
xD
VTEC works if an engine has camshafts or valves. Too bad the rotary doesn't have either of them. That's why it can't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by OMG.JAI xD
i also dont understand all the rx8 hate either. they to focused on hondas being the best and are only shutting it down. only because they know its better. so what if one or two civics beat the rx8 chances are there was an old guy who cant drive behind the wheel.Quote:
Originally Posted by mqt55s
each car has their strengths and weaknesses otherwise we may as well all be buying white corollas. im not going to continue reading this as everyone cant think outside honda and acknowledge a good car when they see one.
they are all good cars with different focuses. n they are all above average. it all comes down to the driver's preferences on which car they prefer.
This thread is sad. Both cars are awesome. Stop comparing ek4, EG aganist them. If you havn't driven both then don't judge.
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by 90LAN
guess you will never understand if you have never driven one properly/owning one.....
would you think if mazda wanted a turbocharged rx8, they would've recycled the 13BTT from the FD series.....
the RX8 was aimed at the older generation buyers, and they would an old fart want a "fast" luxury sprots car?
So, which part of the RX-8 has F1 technology??? The renesis rotary engine??? I hope not because all F1 engines are piston.Quote:
Originally Posted by mqt55s
Mazda doesn't even have a F1 team.
that f1 technology comment was meant for a DC2R....... (read a few posts back and you will see)Quote:
Originally Posted by tank
indeed. people getting attacked left, right and centre on this forum lol. hot chicks thread ftw.Quote:
Originally Posted by EZZY
neways, back on topic, only downfall with the rx8 i'd have to say is the atrocious fuel consumption. although being a 1.3l, its categorized in the 2.6L class isnt it? well it still drinks way more petty than a 6 cylinder. closer to a v8. damn harsh on the bank account lol.
but i love how smooth they are. can barely tell its on when its idling. would probably be due to the rotors spinning in one direction vs pistons rapid change in direction.
i'd be interesting to hear from people who have actually driven an rx8 and a honda itr/s2k.
Thanks for the clarification.Quote:
Originally Posted by EZZY
I got so confused when I read that sentence, because someone was saying that a RX8 can match the DC2r on the track.
Stock for stock, a well driven DC2r is very hard to beat on any race tracks in NSW.
Mazda used to be in the 24 hours Le Mans races, but their rotary engine was deemed to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too fast when their quad rotor won, so the europeans banned the rotary from the Le Mans races.Quote:
Originally Posted by tank
GTR was also deemed too fast for races in some countries and were also banned from certain races.
but you dont see vtec being banned...
not everyone needs a formula 1 team to be successful. subaru built their fame on rallying, and they net more sales than honda last time i checked. nissan dont do f1 and they aint doin half bad. mitsubishi too.
anyway, not dissing either. rotaries are good engines, and efficient power-wise, but they lack low down torque without a supercharger/turbocharger.
there were attempts to turbocharge the rx-8, i believe there was an RX-8 turbo model by mazdaspeed. was projected at 250kw.
reason why people wouldnt normally compare a honda with the rx-8 is because the rx-8 is a GT car, most honda's are not, with the s2000 and nsx being the only exceptions. anyone can argue with me as much as they want with this point, but a requirement of the GT car requires that the car be rear wheel drive.
rotaries dont really need vtec, because they aren't inefficient enough to need something as such to make it more efficient - power-wise that is. mazda stuck on extra exhaust ports and the power just went up to 177kw for the renesis, which isnt too bad. aside from that, mazda claimed that it was relatively unchanged from the old 13b non turbos. can anyone say that honda could do such a minimal change and gain a big boost? with just an exhaust system alone? because thats what mazda did.
as to the motor part. as the rx8 completes 3 cycles with one revolution, the motor rotates at a third of the rate claimed on your tacho. so when you hit 9000rpm, your rotors are spinning at 3000rpm.
whereas with a piston motor, 8000rpm is 8000rpm. theres a difference in efficiency right there. less moving parts in rotary = more efficient too.
anyway... *ducks out to avoid further flaming*
VTEC is not used in LeMans, Formula1 or JGTC.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeverAMV
Rotaries CAN'T use vtec because rotaries DO NOT have cams and valves.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeverAMV
The Renesis has side ports, so the ports can be bigger. The old 13B has ports on the peripheral (the curved wall). Also, the old-13B had 2 intake ports and 1 exhaust port. The Renesis has 2 intake and 2 exhaust. Sounds similar? Compare the power outputs of the old 3 valve D series (68kW) with the modern 2000 4-valve non-VTEC D-series (88kW). That's a big jump in power of 29%!
False, at 9000rpm, your crank is rotating 9000 times a minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeverAMV
Edit: Calculation mistake. 9000 combustions per minute per rotor, so that's 18000 combustions per minute at 9000 crank rpm. That is 4 times more than a 4-cyl piston engine. That's why a rotary drinks more fuel.