My Disappointment

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Originally Posted by yourfather

In the spirit of a fair debate, I think you should remove this comment. Like or dislike, this is meant to be an impersonal debate about ideas and suggestions, you are entitled to your opinion because you area human, LXRY is entitled to his also - but just because you have your name in Green doesn't mean that anything you have to say is any more valid or interesting.

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I've been blunt for a reason. To make a point, and I know he will take it onboard much better because it was directed at him.

There's a difference in raising a point of interest for the benefit of everyone, and being a smart ass about it. Being an ass won't get you anywhere. My point is, he should of been more tactful, rather than post up what he said and how he said it. You know the saying, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. People need to bite their tongue every once in a while. The lack of responsibility from members on this forum is the lowest I have seen on any forum I have frequented, owned or moderated. Could be just the dumbing down retardation of society, or it could simply be the lack of respect members have towards one another because they are behind a computer and feel they can push the boundaries more. This I'm not sure of, but its clearly evident.

For the record, my comment would be the same if my username were in green or blue.

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So do you support punishing people that behave poorly?

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Depends on the scenario, but generally no. Due to the fact I primarily look after the S2000 / NSX section, I don't see or hear of much else that goes on in the other parts of the site, for I have no interest outside of maybe 3 sub-forums that take my interest. Sure I read other forums that take my interest, but I don't go around repping dick and fart comments like some. People need to grow up.

My point here is, the maturity level is a different ball game from one sub forum to another. Users who can't heed the warnings, are deserved of any outcome that may come their way. I don't believe in a "Perma-ban" unless its absolutely necessary however.

I've been a mod here for about 3-4 months now, and only until last night did I give my first infraction which resulted in a deserved banning. Usually I'll just send a PM, and inform the person of their wrong doing and everything is fine from there on in. No need to punish someone so heavily for something that I'd consider so lenient.

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Originally Posted by yourfather

just because you have your name in Green doesn't mean that anything you have to say is any more valid or interesting.

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what has that got to do with anything he said?
he said his own personal opinion, not a statement on behalf of the moderating team, just like how your opinions do not represent all of the 'blue' members.

you guys need to drop the 'them' vs 'us' mentality as we are all here for the same reason

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Originally Posted by Q_ball

I dont get what you're trying to say here...
The current trader rating system does all that just fine...
It links off the persons profile ... so theres no need to search through masses of feedback for a particular trader.

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what i was suggesting was a stickie of negative feedback for all traders. not for a particular trader. its easier for users to see a collection of bad feedbacks of traders.

if you cant get that then dw.. lol

I dont see the logic in it though, when the current system categorises, and makes for easier viewing... ie. viewing feedback that is relative to the user that you click on.

Having all neg feedback for traders in a combined sticky is messy!!

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Originally Posted by JasonGilholme

well if the only requirements are an ABN and money then theres alot more that is doable to ensure that the trader is 'worthy' of trading on the forum and able to provide something good to the members (which are important to both parties - ozhonda & the trader).

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FYI there is a screening process and it has been there for awhile. ABN is a requirement and the primary reason for this is so that it is only legitimate business that deal on OH. If you do run into any problems you can use the ABN to chase it up with the department of fair trading. Trader contact details are also listed as a sticky in each trader sub-forum.

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Originally Posted by panda[cRx]

<---look where is says trade rating. you click on the number and you see the full details, which is exactly the same as ebay. the only difference is ebay displays a % of positive feedback on the smaller screen, whereas on ozhonda it's seen on the second screen with the fully detailed feedback

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There's also a sticky (aka announcement) in EVERY forum in the Marketplace section. Can't make it any more obvious than that. Not to mention an announcement that gives tips on buying/selling. Those two have been up there for ages.

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Originally Posted by panda[cRx]

you guys need to drop the 'them' vs 'us' mentality as we are all here for the same reason

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Agreed. LXRY......regarding those accusations you made against me 'checking with the hive'.......were you in my room sitting next to me? If things are getting discussed with the other mods then we say so in the thread.

In regards to getting feedback about dodgy sellers.....i might think of setting up an email address for keeping a track of complaints against sellers. Note however that the iTrader system will be the primary use for feedback however serious cases (where people have paid for items and not received them) can be recorded via a dedicated email address that can be used to keep track of issues. What do you think?

PS: I might not be online to check this over the next 48 hours so hopefuly people don't jump on the bandwagon before I can reply.

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Originally Posted by Q_ball

I dont see the logic in it though, when the current system categorises, and makes for easier viewing... ie. viewing feedback that is relative to the user that you click on.

Having all neg feedback for traders in a combined sticky is messy!!

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And won't happen. We tried it along time ago in the marketplace and it turned to sh|t!

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Originally Posted by wynode

And won't happen. We tried it along time ago in the marketplace and it turned to sh|t!

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lo.. lol :p hey i didnt know that :angel:

I still think there could be more emphasis on trying to get more high end traders for members. Traders/businesses that have been up and running and have a proven track record of reliability, quality and accountability to prevent situations where people would want to defame a business.

Having any traders at all is a bonus already Jason..
Selling is not a main priority for Ozhonda.

priority = members correct??

traders = funding correct??


traders should be a priority if they're the main source of income, and if the funding is as important as "not having the forum at all" then the quality of those traders should be of importance as well.

it all goes hand in hand.

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Originally Posted by wynode

In regards to getting feedback about dodgy sellers.....i might think of setting up an email address for keeping a track of complaints against sellers. Note however that the iTrader system will be the primary use for feedback however serious cases (where people have paid for items and not received them) can be recorded via a dedicated email address that can be used to keep track of issues. What do you think?

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I think this is a good idea and something that you should run a trial program.

Maybe expand it to users also in the pilot phase and if people are falsely accusing others, then sanction them too.

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Originally Posted by JasonGilholme

Touching on the defamation concerns..

Why can't people take responsibility for their own posts and the contents of them?

What ever happened to standing up for yourself?

Just because someone posts something on the ozhonda forum, doesn't mean that ozhonda agrees with that individuals opinion.

That individuals opinion is their own, and if they express it and it lands them in hot water that should be their own fault.

I feel that, in regards to the defamation concerns, ozhonda is taking far too much responsibility and should wash their hands and let the posters become the 'owner' of their posts and be responsible for what they say.

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Very true Ozhonda ain't Big Brother, should be just a Host/medium just like the rest and should concentrate on modding not babysitting members :)

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Originally Posted by ludecrs

I'm going to make this abundantly clear with no sugar coated BS - because thats the kind of person I am. I don't like you. You sit behind your monitor, jump to assumptions, your posts are immature, and you judge people so quickly, like above. What you don't realise is the rife you are creating in carrying on the way you do.

If you have that kind of narrow minded negative attitude, I ask the question why are you even here?

EDIT: As you can tell, I'm also very blunt and to the point, however I'm a very laid back kind of person, easy to get along with, rarely infract people, just give them a heads up in PM, I don't like banning people, but what I don't tolerate is smartasses.

And for the record, the picture you posted up from the Mazda site, where Mr Anderson goes on about not joining up, he has to be a member to view the forum....... Ironic, since he's the thread creator in the first place.......

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LMAO at you who made you a mod..

Well I like you cause you at least have style and some balls.

However we'll see how quick those balls of yours shrivel up when we meet eventually one day, one thing for sure it is a small world. You too sit behind a computer my friend, so hopefully you can organise a meet for some coffee and some sugar coated whatever your offering, lol.

At least give some proper input to the discussion, from my side of it it looks like spam and you should be recieving the infraction lol...

Not very nice things to say seeing as you don't even know me. Not even the people involved in previous dicussions chose the words you chose.

Being a mod you should refrain from using that type of language, you should look at both sides of the coin even have a neutral/open mind atttitude especially to members of this forum.

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Originally Posted by JasonGilholme

isn't it possible for ozhonda to pass the buck onto the individual poster if a defemation case was to arise, by adding some clauses to the all might T&C?

That way ozhonda members get what they want , and ozhonda doesn't have to be paranoid about legalities and will have to do less moderating/editing of posts.

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Already there, in the disclaimer...

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Originally Posted by Q_ball

Im sure we wouldve taken that route if it were really that simple..
This is a board... a forum...
We (ozhonda) is responsible for whatever is published within it.

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You sure about that ?

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Originally Posted by JasonGilholme

so money > quality

so much for members being of importance..

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Seems like members 2nd priority

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Originally Posted by Q_ball

Dude, do you have any idea how much work that is to be researching etc etc about every single trader prior to signing them up?

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not members responsibilty, your propblem :)

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Originally Posted by ludecrs

I've been blunt for a reason. To make a point, and I know he will take it onboard much better because it was directed at him.

There's a difference in raising a point of interest for the benefit of everyone, and being a smart ass about it. Being an ass won't get you anywhere. My point is, he should of been more tactful, rather than post up what he said and how he said it. You know the saying, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. People need to bite their tongue every once in a while. The lack of responsibility from members on this forum is the lowest I have seen on any forum I have frequented, owned or moderated. Could be just the dumbing down retardation of society, or it could simply be the lack of respect members have towards one another because they are behind a computer and feel they can push the boundaries more. This I'm not sure of, but its clearly evident.

For the record, my comment would be the same if my username were in green or blue.




Depends on the scenario, but generally no. Due to the fact I primarily look after the S2000 / NSX section, I don't see or hear of much else that goes on in the other parts of the site, for I have no interest outside of maybe 3 sub-forums that take my interest. Sure I read other forums that take my interest, but I don't go around repping dick and fart comments like some. People need to grow up.

My point here is, the maturity level is a different ball game from one sub forum to another. Users who can't heed the warnings, are deserved of any outcome that may come their way. I don't believe in a "Perma-ban" unless its absolutely necessary however.

I've been a mod here for about 3-4 months now, and only until last night did I give my first infraction which resulted in a deserved banning. Usually I'll just send a PM, and inform the person of their wrong doing and everything is fine from there on in. No need to punish someone so heavily for something that I'd consider so lenient.

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Look at you pointing the stick around...I'm a mod and i don't like that, you are weak cause you 'blue', don't like him *WHACK...I have the power get out of my way LMFAO at you...

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Originally Posted by bennjamin

nps ~ all suggestions are welcome !

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Well done bennjamin....

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ludecrs

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^^^This is how a real mod should act...take this fowl under your wing bennjamin

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Originally Posted by JasonGilholme

Wouldn't it be easier to pass the responsibility onto the poster and remove any responsibility from ozhonda's plate?

i'm sure its possible. Why do you think contracts are pages upon pages in length. they're not just outling the act again, they stipulating requirements and drawing lines of responsibility.

I should know, every job i do i have to sign a contract.

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Too many bush lawyers on this forum. :) Those terms and conditions are designed to protect the operator of this site to the extent possible already. But it is not 100&#37; protection.

If you were operating a forum like this and not doing it to make money (just cover your costs) would you like to receive this document delivered by a process server?

http://whirlpool.net.au/img/article/2clix/soc.pdf

Seriously mate. Read it carefully. Would you want that to happen? Perhaps you have tens of thousands of dollars to spend on lawyers or perhaps you don't care if you have to sell your house or be bankrupt by losing the case. The case could be complete bs or even not legally founded. But you still have to fight it or settle.

Scary enough? I think it is. :(

It honestly is not about freedom of speech. The moderators are not "editors" of your posts. They just remove posts that are contrary to the rules if they see them.

What is important is ensuring - to the extent reasonably possible - that the operator of this web site does not get drawn in to a shit fight because a member wants to publicly defame another person or business.

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Originally Posted by yfin

Too many bush lawyers on this forum. :) Those terms and conditions are designed to protect the operator of this site to the extent possible already. But it is not 100% protection.

If you were operating a forum like this and not doing it to make money (just cover your costs) would you like to receive this document delivered by a process server?

http://whirlpool.net.au/img/article/2clix/soc.pdf

Seriously mate. Read it carefully. Would you want that to happen? Perhaps you have tens of thousands of dollars to spend on lawyers or perhaps you don't care if you have to sell your house or be bankrupt by losing the case. The case could be complete bs or even not legally founded. But you still have to fight it or settle.

Scary enough? I think it is. :(

It honestly is not about freedom of speech. The moderators are not "editors" of your posts. They just remove posts that are contrary to the rules if they see them.

What is important is ensuring - to the extent reasonably possible - that the operator of this web site does not get drawn in to a shit fight because a member wants to publicly defame another person or business.

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respect to the above ^^^^

have u got any suggestions on how to improve accountability/transparency of traders???

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Originally Posted by yourfather

respect to the above ^^^^

have u got any suggestions on how to improve accountability/transparency of traders???

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I think Wynode is very reasonable and if there is clear and repeated negative feedback about a trader (that is not adequately explained by the trader) he would cancel the right to trade. He says so in the terms and conditions.

1. Ozhonda Traders/Advertisers contribute financially in order to trade/advertise on Ozhonda. However, if the situation arises where the trader/advertiser breaches the Ozhonda Terms and Conditions set out on this page or acts in a manner that Ozhonda sees unfit (at Ozhonda's discretion, based on member feedback), then Ozhonda reserves the right to cancel the trader's right to trade and/or advertise along with a refund of the monies outstanding pro-rata for the period remaining.

you're all speculating on a one off case after hearing one side of the story

call off the lynch mob guys, there is no need to turn ozhonda on its head coz somebody bought the wrong wheels!

Isn't this just a forum? Noones forcing you to like it, your not paying for it..

Just go somewhere else if you don't like how things are like here..? :S

Ok, i think that we have achieved a suitable level of debate and discussion and I think my point has been made to both users and moderators alike.

Hopefully we see some developments regarding easier channels to provide feedback and complaints.

Would you kindly close this thread.

yF

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Originally Posted by yourfather

I think this is a good idea and something that you should run a trial program.

Maybe expand it to users also in the pilot phase and if people are falsely accusing others, then sanction them too.

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I have setup an email address and will be posting details about it in the near future so stay tuned. Will also update the T&C and other announcements/stickies

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Originally Posted by LXRY

Very true Ozhonda ain't Big Brother, should be just a Host/medium just like the rest and should concentrate on modding not babysitting members :)

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Sounds quite contradictory to what you've been saying all along.

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Originally Posted by LXRY

Seems like members 2nd priority

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No.......just you now after all the stink you've kicked up for no reason. Maybe yourfather can teach you a thing or two about being objective and expressing yourself.

For the record I won't be replying to anymore of your comments as it is quite futile.

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Originally Posted by yourfather

Ok, i think that we have achieved a suitable level of debate and discussion and I think my point has been made to both users and moderators alike.

Hopefully we see some developments regarding easier channels to provide feedback and complaints.

Would you kindly close this thread.

yF

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No probs.