My Disappointment

[bennjamin]

nps ~ all suggestions are welcome !

[SiReal]

Coming from a personal point of view, and not an 'Ozhonda' point of view.

It seems to me that more and more people are lacking responsibility and their own resolution for their own actions. Rather than solve the issue outright by themselves, and if failing, they always have to find someone else to blame. I.e. trader system is not good enough, need more visibility of xyz, need more stringent processes, OH is all about money and not members , etc etc

Sure those are fantastic ideas and some very valid comments but do you actually understand the bigger picture of how a forum operates and how you expect it to operate being a FREE site to join and use? Why should the forum owner bare any risk of legal action? He shouldn't. If you can pull yourself away from the "me me me" viewpoint, you might start to understand. If i was subject to legal action due to iresponsible actions by members, I would shut the site down. All those ungrateful people can go and do their own forums, run it the way they like, etc etc. You will very soon realise that without certain stringent processes, things get out of hand VERY quickly and the quality of information drops very very low.

Buying or selling ALWAYS has a risk, THATS why you usually pay less on these forums and traders, as opposed to going to a retail shop. You factor in the risk involved. You factor in things getting lost in the mail or getting broken. It sucks but this is a fact of life. Joes situation sucks balls, and I can't say the trader did the right thing, but its not that hard to spend 30 seconds sending a pm to Joe so YOU don't make the same mistake in the future. Our support goes to Joe and I hope he gets this resolved in the right manner. If not, i guess he'll have to cop it on the chip.

As for LXRYs comments, Shen, I've met this guy several times, and rather than name call and reference by a few mere comments, I have known him to be a open, friendly and very humble person. Certainly one of the more pleasant and responsible members of society.

So in summing up, I believe we have to stop blaming everyone else around us for shit that happens, sure we can make recommendations , but understand that being a free site, being maintained by VOLUNTEERS, we cannot expect to have the site run as we all wish. Something has to give.

[yourfather]

I'm going to make this abundantly clear with no sugar coated BS - because thats the kind of person I am. I don't like you. You sit behind your monitor, jump to assumptions, your posts are immature, and you judge people so quickly, like above. What you don't realise is the rife you are creating in carrying on the way you do.

In the spirit of a fair debate, I think you should remove this comment. Like or dislike, this is meant to be an impersonal debate about ideas and suggestions, you are entitled to your opinion because you area human, LXRY is entitled to his also - but just because you have your name in Green doesn't mean that anything you have to say is any more valid or interesting.

If you have that kind of narrow minded negative attitude, I ask the question why are you even here?

EDIT: As you can tell, I'm also very blunt and to the point, however I'm a very laid back kind of person, easy to get along with, rarely infract people, just give them a heads up in PM, I don't like banning people, but what I don't tolerate is smartasses.

And for the record, the picture you posted up from the Mazda site, where Mr Anderson goes on about not joining up, he has to be a member to view the forum....... Ironic, since he's the thread creator in the first place.......

So do you support punishing people that behave poorly?

[SiReal]

However having said that, due to the surging member numbers of this site, with alot of lazy fickle people not doing homework etc , being cheapasses, people WILL get tricked into fradulent sales. This comment is NOT referring to EGJOE might I add.

Also, with internet being so much more accessible, the typical 'faceless' e-warrior will be so much more prevalent (hence that observation on mazdaforum). I too have noticed this, and am beginning to dislike certain users of this site, but hey, thats a part of life.

If you want a premium service, you will have to pay a premium price for it unforuntately nowadays. Ozhonda is a great resource being a free information hub.

Hi Luc

[mocchi]

how about a sticky on traders forum and list all the negative feedbacks for all traders.

eg

trader: mocchi
details: 69 bumbleebee rd, 1337 ABN: 007133725
neg rep: -4
neg rep details:
-1 from user blabla
comments: i got wrong stuff! trader didnt do jack!! >: (

this way traders will be wary cos they're bad feedback is being stickied.
get them scared

i know user can see bad feedbacks by simply clicking trader rating number but this is just to emphasize the importance in being careful.

just a suggestion...

... i didnt do that +18 thing lol. i swear!

[SiReal]

good suggestion, but actually, if you think about the steps involved in finding feedback, its the same number clicks to see feedback from current system to your suggestion. So its really not that hard for someone to click on that little number under their name. In fact, its probably easier.

[mocchi]

yeah but by doing that, you can only see the bad feedback for that particular user only.. where as if its stickied, all bad feedback categorized by traders can be seen.

so its like a database of bad feedbacks of traders

[Q_ball]

I dont get what you're trying to say here...
The current trader rating system does all that just fine...
It links off the persons profile ... so theres no need to search through masses of feedback for a particular trader.

[ludecrs]

In the spirit of a fair debate, I think you should remove this comment. Like or dislike, this is meant to be an impersonal debate about ideas and suggestions, you are entitled to your opinion because you area human, LXRY is entitled to his also - but just because you have your name in Green doesn't mean that anything you have to say is any more valid or interesting.

I've been blunt for a reason. To make a point, and I know he will take it onboard much better because it was directed at him.

There's a difference in raising a point of interest for the benefit of everyone, and being a smart ass about it. Being an ass won't get you anywhere. My point is, he should of been more tactful, rather than post up what he said and how he said it. You know the saying, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. People need to bite their tongue every once in a while. The lack of responsibility from members on this forum is the lowest I have seen on any forum I have frequented, owned or moderated. Could be just the dumbing down retardation of society, or it could simply be the lack of respect members have towards one another because they are behind a computer and feel they can push the boundaries more. This I'm not sure of, but its clearly evident.

For the record, my comment would be the same if my username were in green or blue.

So do you support punishing people that behave poorly?

Depends on the scenario, but generally no. Due to the fact I primarily look after the S2000 / NSX section, I don't see or hear of much else that goes on in the other parts of the site, for I have no interest outside of maybe 3 sub-forums that take my interest. Sure I read other forums that take my interest, but I don't go around repping dick and fart comments like some. People need to grow up.

My point here is, the maturity level is a different ball game from one sub forum to another. Users who can't heed the warnings, are deserved of any outcome that may come their way. I don't believe in a "Perma-ban" unless its absolutely necessary however.

I've been a mod here for about 3-4 months now, and only until last night did I give my first infraction which resulted in a deserved banning. Usually I'll just send a PM, and inform the person of their wrong doing and everything is fine from there on in. No need to punish someone so heavily for something that I'd consider so lenient.

[panda[cRx]]

just because you have your name in Green doesn't mean that anything you have to say is any more valid or interesting.

what has that got to do with anything he said?
he said his own personal opinion, not a statement on behalf of the moderating team, just like how your opinions do not represent all of the 'blue' members.

you guys need to drop the 'them' vs 'us' mentality as we are all here for the same reason

[mocchi]

I dont get what you're trying to say here...
The current trader rating system does all that just fine...
It links off the persons profile ... so theres no need to search through masses of feedback for a particular trader.

what i was suggesting was a stickie of negative feedback for all traders. not for a particular trader. its easier for users to see a collection of bad feedbacks of traders.

if you cant get that then dw.. lol

[Q_ball]

I dont see the logic in it though, when the current system categorises, and makes for easier viewing... ie. viewing feedback that is relative to the user that you click on.

Having all neg feedback for traders in a combined sticky is messy!!