what brand 4.9 final drive?
which of them motors does a quicker 1/4 mile time?
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what brand 4.9 final drive?
which of them motors does a quicker 1/4 mile time?
MFactory FD
First motor went 14.2
Second Motor - unknown
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u...R/Image022.jpg
holy cow ! i just realised, you shift at 9000rpm, and say it falls back to 7000rpm, you're still putting out 190kw+ till redline again
that curve looks pretty neat aswell..
that is seriously awesome lol :thumbsup:
Big difference as I experienced driving it down the 1/4 mileQuote:
Originally Posted by zco
truckload of power and torque compared to my egk24a :thumbsup:
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k7...Picture066.jpg
Engine - JDM K20A
Displacement - Stock (1998cc)
Bore - Stock
Stroke - Stock
CR - Stock (11.5-1)
Camshaft - Stock
Camgear Settings - Stock
VTEC X-Over - 4400rpm
Gearbox - EP3R
I/H/E - SSR Header, Rcrew 3in Exhaust, AEM CAI...rest untouched
ECU - Hondata K-Pro tuned @ Insight by Dave
Nice one Jing!
damn jing// that graph so smooth
Nice Jing, how does it feel compared to the B18C now?
not bad, starting to like it more now...
this is my mates eg sedan
before tuning and toda headers made 97kw rich as ...:thumbdwn:
Engine - JDM b18c type r
Displacement - stock
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - stock
Camgear Settings - stock
VTEC X-Over - stockish
Gearbox - stock dc2r
I/H/E -comptech icebox, toda headers, dc2r exhaust system 2.25"
ECU - hondata s200
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/7496/pic675oq8.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1797/pic676ea1.jpg
Nice gains with the toda headers and tune!Quote:
Originally Posted by delsol9000rpms
hey guys, was it in this thread that i read someone was running an RSP IM off the JDM FN2R?
ive tried searching but the ozhonda search is coming up with no results for RSP...
cheers
Dr Honda is using one...
I think it's better than an RBC.
It has removable trumpets inside too.
It is a nice tunable manifold. Personally feel its the best honda has to offer so far for k seriesQuote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
Looks like its the best K series Intake manifold that Honda ever produce till today.Quote:
Originally Posted by DR HONDA
How much is RSP IM?
RBC manifold has been proven to work well in stock engine set-ups.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
cheers guys! anyone know if removing the trumpets increases top end power a lil? (it shortens he runners by about and inch or two)Quote:
Originally Posted by DR HONDA
or has DR honda only ran the RSP with the trumpets?
yeah, i think the size of the plenum will add alot to the torque side of things...Quote:
Originally Posted by EG5
theyre about USD$800 (AUD$1100)Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
im looking at trying one (im running a RBC on my K24/K20 frank atm)
Is a dyno chart to compare the stock dc5r manifold vs RBC vs RSP IM on a stock engine ?
if you refer to stock engine and ECU , one would assume the gains or differences would be small. Once tuned and running cams or pistons to suit the end result changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson
on the euro, going from RBB manifold to RBC saw approx 4-7kw gain atw accross nearly the whole rev range... this was with CAI, headers, exhaust and no tuningQuote:
Originally Posted by Benson
I'll definitely have to look into a new intake manifold and throttle body down the line. I'll let you guys do the testing for me.. Thanks! ;)
Was that with those supporting mods or just RBC upgrade showed 4-7kw gains?Quote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
he had those mods... then got the RBC and got those gains... :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson
Awesome, someone just needs to try the new RSP IM and we got ourselves a comparison
Let the testing begin...Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson
LEFT= RBB --------- CENTRE= 1/2 RSP --------- RIGHT= RBC
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...2574Medium.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...2569Medium.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...2572Medium.jpg
Sorry i dont have the whole RSP yet, awaiting the bottom plenum...
awesome! the RSP definitely looks the best of the bunch. Looking forward to the results
Really? I would have said the RBC "looks" like it would perform bestQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris_F
we'll soon find out...
i found an interesting thread on hondatech about the rsp manifold.. these pics are taken from the thread..
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/5...diumac0es6.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8...diumtc8ll6.jpg
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8...kemani1vq5.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4...kemani2ai6.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/482...diumwt6mr1.jpg
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1...diumim5xk9.jpg
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4...diumop5xe5.jpg
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2...diumhk3pp6.jpg
heres the link
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/sh...?t=1536&page=2
my money's on the RBB... just to be different ;)
lol RBB = fail...Quote:
Originally Posted by kraiye
tried and tested
pwnd
:(
haha sorry buddy lolQuote:
Originally Posted by kraiye
but yeah, RBB is only good for low end torque... :thumbsup:
Customer Car
Engine - Sleeved B18C + Ported P72 head
Displacement - 1933cc
Bore -84.00mm
Stroke - 87.20mm
CR - >12.8:1
Camshafts - TODA Racing
Camgear Settings - 105deg LCA (intake & exhaust)
Gearbox - DC2R + TODA 1st & 2nd + ATS final drive & Quaif LSD
I/H/E - Custom intake / Air pipe / BTCC carbon surge tank / Jenvey quad throttles,
TODA (designed) Australian made 4~2~1 Race header + custom cat back
ECU - HONDATA S300
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...edat1628kw.jpg
The current state of tune has only been roughed out.
A few changes are to be made in key areas of system before final tune.
More torque & a little more power is expected on completion.
Fuel type used is 98 RON pump gas from BP.
Switch to E85 fuel is also likley in the future. ;)
wow impressive!
what a beast!!! can't wait to see the final tune result
fcuk ye
WOW nice power. Looks like a carbon copy of the engine in Workshop's race car.
no mate theres loads of diffrences...
adrian is this a circuit or drag car? or none lol?
lol Adrian.. i can't catalogue that on the first page... is the cam a new spec or is it a secret for this car?
that engine bay is sexy though :)
doesn't anyone else have skunk2's i can compare with :(Quote:
Originally Posted by dsp26
sounds like a beast!! sexy bay...show us some pics?? come on give us a sticky beak :pQuote:
Originally Posted by dsp26
first post updated... seems i missed a few with the random k series IM talk....
i would've thought there were more cammed K series around??
Be interesting how much extra can be squeezed out of it considering its output now.
On the dyno on a day cooler then 42 degrees would have to help also.
Cant wait for the results. :thumbsup:
Another high output from Toda AU. Well done Mr Norton :thumbsup:
for those interested in the RBB/RBC/RSP differences, heres some stats and pics:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpos...&postcount=565
Great work on the research. Im happy to do a comparison if someone can supply an RBC and pay for dyno time at Toda AUQuote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
Engine - Stock sleeves B20b8 Block + Stock ITR port head (supertech valve train)
Displacement - 1996.63cc
Bore -84.5mm
Stroke - Stock B20
CR - 11.52:1
Camshafts - Rocket M22x
Camgear Settings -secret
Gearbox - B16a with 4.9 Final Drive
I/H/E - TWM ITBS 50mm/Budget Big Tube 4-2-1/2.5inch Headers back
ECU - HONDATA S200
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...39/B20vtec.jpg
Note:
Base tune
E85 fuel
Motor makes more power with less timing in the tune :eek:
New Headers to go on SSR
New ECU Vi-pec
Stay tuned for more details once final tune is done :thumbsup:
is this your motor for the supersprints? the one you made a p[ost about? or is this anotehr one?
Yes this will be motor that will be used for this year supersprint. The B18c had a set back so that will be finished mid this year. The B20 is just as good, if not better
i think this thread would be mighty relevant so i ask....
does anyone have a dyno sheet of a blocked cat? doesn't matter what cams it has... it would be interesting to see what the powerband drop off is like....
I just discovered my gearbox has had a 4.266 final drive all along The gearbox is a Y21 aswell so thats odd.... Its funny considering how torquey it was for a b16 and how well the car went for what it was.... Would of been interesting to see how it would of went on what it was suppose to be (4.4 FD).. oh well ill never know.. i upgraded to an Mfactory 4.928... we will see how it goes.. im excited:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by dsp26
i dont suppose you have the standard ITR 1st, and 2nd, final drive and LSD?Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
how did you get that? or all Y21's have it? i'm guessing for JDM/AUDM version... coz the american online calculators have the Y21 as 4.4fdQuote:
Originally Posted by delsol9000rpms
dont ask man. There are rare y21 gearboxs which come with 4.2s but ye thats very odd
Engine - Stock B16a2
Displacement - Stock
Bore -Stock
Stroke - Stock
CR - Less than 10.9:1
Camshafts - TODA SPEC C's
Camgear Settings - As Per cam card
Vtec X Over- Like 6800-7000rpm
Gearbox - Y21 B16a with 4.9 Final Drive
I/H/E - ITR IM +65mm TB/5Zigen 4-2-1/2.5inch Headers back
ECU - HONDATA S300
The spike is supposedly from the new Intake being abit too long.. oh well!
This is from stock to now
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3200/scan0001kce.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by delsol9000rpms
How's the lowend power?
Can you get a video of it?
awesome low end power :thumbsup: alot more then stock... very punchy!
Good stuff, whats the redline set at?
Are you just using factory pistons and a unmilled head?
Also can you get like a 2nd and 3rd gear pull on video please :)
Thanks, much appreciated.
rev limit is set at like 9000rpms.
Stock bottom end but just a milled head to increase the compression a little bit.
I dont have any recent 2nd-3rd pull as i used to have a 4.266 final drive now i have a 4.928 MFactory FD.. When i get a video ill post it up.
Ahh so you'd gain abit of bottom end in butt dyno from the 4.9 fd.
Thanks for that, really appreciate it.
even without the 4.9 FD the bottom end was really good.. The 4.9 FD is mostly noticed on WOT
Whats your max speeds like now?
You'd be reving preety hard correct?
Seems like promising dyno reults. Get it down the 1/4 mile and run some good numbers
Thats the plan! All should be good
B20vtec (green) vs B18c7 with cams/i/h/e +tune (pink)
Engine - B16a/B20 Hybrid
Displacement - 2.0l
Bore -84mm
Stroke - 89mm
CR - less than 10:1
Camshafts - Stock
Camgear Settings - Stock
Vtec X Over- 4000 rpm
Gearbox - Stock B16a Ek4
I/H/E - Stock b16a2 IM and T/B, Spoolin Performance headers, custom 2.5inch zorst
ECU - Crome ECU Tuned by Dave
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...9/IMGP0500.jpg
Nice comparison :thumbsup::thumbsup:
nice curve on that pink line ;)
Pink has a nice curve but green is better :p
This graph is just showing how displacement differs in a honda motor with slightly less bolt-on mods and compression. :)
No replacement for displacement :thumbsup:
There's that yank influence talking right there. jk. :p
The B20 would kick the B18C's arse in the mid range. It would be like driving 2 totally different cars. There is 15kw at the wheels difference in some areas. That is a huge.
v nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by delsol9000rpms
how does it go keeping it in vtec with such a high crossover?
good shifting will keep it in vtec every gear... if someone was to jump in and drive it for the first time they'll most probably drop out on 2nd to 3rd shift.Quote:
Originally Posted by kraiye
Engine - JDM B18CR
Displacement - stock
Bore - stock
Stroke - stock
CR - stock
Camshaft - Buddy Club Spec III
Camgear Settings -
VTEC X-Over - ~6000 rpm
Gearbox - EK9 with ATS gear-set and 4.9FD
I/H/E - CDA airbox into OER ITBs/J's Racing 4-2-1/Custom B-pipe (metal cat) + Mugen twinloop
ECU - MoTeC M400 tuned by Paul Flourentzou
Note: With this set up, no power gain found in removing airbox or by replacing twin-loop with 2.5inch straight pipe (possibly if engine is modified further there may be?)
http://gallery.me.com/sti8/100011/Ci...12392350080001
Wow! nice power curve
Engine - K20
Displacement - 2150cc
Bore - Toda Racing
Stroke - Toda Racing
CR - High
Camshaft - Toda Racing
Camgear Settings - Toda Racing
VTEC X-Over - 5700
Gearbox - Stock 6
I/H/E - Gruppe M/Toda Racing ITB's/Toda Racing
ECU - KPRO
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/r...DynoChart1.jpg
this car would pull like a truck:) Lots of torque for fifth gear :thumbsup:
^^^ nice output but would have been nice to see how the dyno was caliberated so we can get true indication....