4-2-1 headers, what brand is good at reasonable price??

**.::F[L]Y::.** · 25-02-2007 08:49 PM

by far id say the 5zigen headers are bang for buck....

toda is good but like you said not much increase over 5zigen. toda is good for engine bling.

**EG5** · 25-02-2007 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by .::F[L]Y::.

how about buddyclub headers??

Its basicly hytech design copy . I used to have it on my EG.
1 bad thing about buddyclub header , it doesnt clear AC lol

**locote** · 25-02-2007 09:01 PM

HHEHE.. i have no aircon so no probs for me

**barefootbonzai** · 25-02-2007 09:13 PM

yep, buddyclub headers are surely up there with the best. only for the hardcore

especially when tuned by Dyno Dave

**ALLMTR996** · 25-02-2007 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by EG5

Its basicly hytech design copy . I used to have it on my EG.
1 bad thing about buddyclub header , it doesnt clear AC lol

I think there are a couple of other Hytech/SMSP knock off's out there as well.
ALLMTR996

**mpd076-chuck** · 25-02-2007 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by ALLMTR996

Sorry Chuck I not post anymore in this thread

ALLMTR996

lol, that means you wanna keep the debate going... I understand, it's not one that people will give up on in a few posts...

anyways Locote, I'm not sure what the goal is with your car? I just read through a lot of this thread and maybe I missed it. Daily driver, quarter mile, track, etc? What else do you plan to do to the engine?

From my understanding a good header cannot be underestimated. But I know you can buy cams with the savings of a cheaper one. But if doing cams and increasing compression etc, maybe the 5zigen not allow as bigger gains as these other Hytech/SMSP style headers once you add the cams.

**locote** · 25-02-2007 09:58 PM

LOW 13s would be great for me N/A...

**ALLMTR996** · 25-02-2007 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by mpd076-chuck

lol, that means you wanna keep the debate going... I understand, it's not one that will people will give up on in a few posts...

anyways Locote, I'm not sure what the goal is with your car? I just read through a lot of this thread and maybe I missed it. Daily driver, quarter mile, track, etc? What else do you plan to do to the engine?

From my understanding a good header cannot be underestimated. But I know you can buy cams with the savings of a cheaper one. But if doing cams and increasing compression etc, maybe the 5zigen not allow as bigger gains as these other Hytech/SMSP style headers once you add the cams.

had to post had something worth while to say,from memory you have a US brand of header on your car if correct how did you find it.And Locote Dyno Dave is still coming over to Perth soon,he just has to get over a problem here at home then he will be over at the same time James from Hondata is going to Perth.
ALLMTR996

**mpd076-chuck** · 25-02-2007 10:25 PM

It's given the car great top end, about 7k up (stock b18c7) it pulls much harder than stock without drop off into the rev limiter. It does go harder throughout rev range, but top end is where it really goes. For a daily driver I wouldn't have minded a bit more mid-range, perhaps that can be tuned in. So for me, a SMSP/Hytech style header with hi-flow cat and stock exhaust has worked great.

This DynoDave header doesnt look too different from my header (mine's not a DynoDave one, different brand)... not suggesting anything bad, rather that it would probably work quite well as per the dyno's in that thread. And in an attempt to be balanced, I have seen the Toda header deliver good results too, plus having inspected one first hand, it's quality does seem very good.

Sorry locote, never had anything to do with 5zigen. If you want to get low 13's, I'd suggest losing as much weight as possible from the car, then pursue power.

**quangsta** · 25-02-2007 11:25 PM

not taking sides but u guys gotta read the graph properly, don't just glance at peak power or what not cause theres only so much a bolt can give u without tuning, so keep in mind (not bagging out) 5zigen headers, but it may only be a couple of peak power hp behind toda but everywhere else toda is up too which makes the big difference. when adding other mods and especially tuning toda would win hands down

not taking sides so gonna if u choose either dyno dave or toda can't go wrong

**Benson** · 26-02-2007 08:23 AM

There shouldnt be a debate between Dave and Toda AU. The fact is Dynodave has built custom headers for numerous customers that has yeild good result down the track, not necessary good dyno figure on the dyno as any1 can jipped dyno 'FIGURES', the real test would be down the 1/4 mile and the MPH it pulls. So respect to Dave. On the other hand, their is nothing wrong with Toda products. With the right tuner who can tune can gain from Toda headers.

Its not only the product that makes a car go quicker but a tuner who understands the product very well, the dynamics of how it work in order to gain the most out of the headers.

Thats one of the reason why we have chosen Dave's header becasue he 'BUILDS' his own headers therefore indicating he knows wats he doing when down to tuning.

**andiiso** · 26-02-2007 05:06 PM

i been readin this thread all the way from page one, and im also trying to find the best headers to cat back system setup for an EK4, at the moment, i like the idea of Toda headers and cat with a mugen catback exhaust .. and sorry for being noob, but is it possible to fit Mugen B16B (ek9) parts as in the air intake, headers, exhaust cat etc, into the B16A ek4? without having to modify the parts themselves ? because if i can, i would like to have mugen from air intake, headers, all the way to exhaust.