Toda C on stock b18c7

[EG5]

Why would he waste his time no one takes any notice of anyone that knows anything and gives honest advice from years of experience.They just take advice from Neville Nobody.
ALLMTR996

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[wynode]

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Jumping on the 'bandwagon' doesn't help ANYBODY!

TODA Spec C's should only be use with TODA valve springs.
Use of std valve springs will cause coil bind & catastrophic engine failure.
Cam lift is 12.5mm, std type R valve springs bind @ 12.0mm.

Spec C's ofer a power gain over std cams from 1500rpm.
Idle quality is very good, - 900rpm.
Nb: Installation is critical, if installed by an amature, idle will be poor.
They really work well on std B16A's, Spec B's work better on std B18C's
Aftermarket ECU is required & good tuning.
Fuel pump, regulator & heavy dyty oil pump gear also recommended.
Reliability of product is not an issue.

Source

And a thread on TODA Cams

[ProECU]

nice sales pitch.

[wynode]

Possibly a sales pitch but that's not how I meant it. Who else to ask about TODA cams but the TODA distributor and tuner?

[ALLMTR996]

i read somewhere that toda c vtec engagment come in at 7000rpm? true or false?

This depends on the rest of your setup a B18C with 4 throttle intake setup they would come in around the 6000-6600rpm.With a single throttle manifold with a 62mm or bigger TB 6600-7200rpm it just depends on how good the engine is setup.Spec B Toda cams work very well in a STD ITR (YOU MUST USE TODA VALVE SPRINGS) if you tune them with a ECU (Power FC or Hondata or AEM or something that gives you full control of the tuning)If you set it up with Toda headers or some of the SMSP or any of the other hi end market headers from the States with a 2.5" exhaust.Just remember if you get the correct combination you will get good power but just be careful of some of those shops that claim alot but really have no idea.If you do a search on www.honda-tech.com you will find heaps of info about setups with cam changes and brands used to do them.
ALLMTR996

[BiGANG]

thanks allmtr. you were saying that if u combine the cams with high end headers like toda or smsp you will get maximum results. i currently have JDM headers on my car. will the difference between the high end header and mine be really big.

[ALLMTR996]

thanks allmtr. you were saying that if u combine the cams with high end headers like toda or smsp you will get maximum results. i currently have JDM headers on my car. will the difference between the high end header and mine be really big.

I will get back to you have to think about the correct way to word a reply that will help.
ALLMTR996
Ok are the headers your using the ITR JDM headers if so with the cams dialed in correctly and tuned you will make a good gain.To get the maximum out of this setup you would need to spend alot more money.There are many ways to make more power and I could be here for hrs talking about it so you need to give an idea on budget and if you plan to do other mods down the track.
ALLMTR996

[BiGANG]

yes i have jdm 4-1 headers. well the truth is i dont have a budget because i just save and buy stuff bit by bit. I was thinking once i get the car tuned with i/h/e i will see if i am happy with results and go from there. If i want more later i was planning on doing cams and p&p and bigger throttle body then leave it at that. nothing too extreme because i need reliability.

The main reason i asked about the toda c cams is because if you look up a bit and see where wyn quoted TODA AU it says that the toda c work really well on a stock b16a. why can you install them on a b18 and not a b18 without doing Huge headwork and replacing bottom end for big compression?

[dsp26]

i'm going to bump this... I actually want an answer to post#20

Post#8 here by Toda:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...ight=toda+cams

For a road engine, Spec A's are excellent if you're on a tight budget...
If you're serious about performance you'll go bigger & use B's or C's...
Don't make the mistake of wanting C's because they are the biggest...
It doesn't work like that...
Guys... You have to realise combination is everything...
Mixing & match without experience doesn't work...
Ok... I'm off the soapbox now...
Cheers

so what's special about the B16 the the Spec Cs are better? This issue cause plenty debate here:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90086

[fatboyz39]

lol why bump this for?

[Slaz]

Id say its not you cant install them just that you will benefit a great deal from doing so to take advantage of the lift and duration the c's would offer and that the b's specs are better suited to a B18C as is, without upping the comp and doing the extra headwork.

[dsp26]

lol why bump this for?

lol coz there was so much debate in my water leak thread on this.. was doing random research and came across that psot and some replies from Adrian.. i'm really curious as to why (spec wise) spec Cs are better in a B16a? the only advanatage i can see the B16a2 has over a B18c7 is better bore/stroke ratio....