NEW 2009 Euro Luxury Auto Pinging

[primetimex]

Still the same here with VERY slight pinging noise after the fix etc - only time will tell whether it gets louder at the moment it's fine as it is doesnt bother me as much as I used to.

I think this may be the last time I buy a Honda sedan - my next car in say 5 years or more will probably be non-honda, goodbye 4-cylinders and pinging noises and whatnot!

[aaronng]

I think this may be the last time I buy a Honda sedan - my next car in say 5 years or more will probably be non-honda, goodbye 4-cylinders and pinging noises and whatnot!

And then say hello to V6 problems.
I drive a commodore now but still keep my Euro.

[buddah51au]

Have my car fixed on Friday and get the car to drive from Sydney -> Windsor -> Singleton -> Newcastle on Saturday, back to Sydney on Sunday. Thank buddah for providing the "trainning" route. The route is really fun to drive, and I guess it train the car well, my wife love the scenary as well. I am happy with the fix so far, smoother, more responsive.

The mechanics said the pinging is fixed, some people might get 90% less pinging and that is fine. He did mentioned about the car re-learn phase for a few tanks, but didn't mentioned about the fuel type regarding to my case. Although he said fuel type will generally help.

Travelled 500+ km since the fix, no pinging so far. Happy.
Will update again after 1000+ km.

your very welcome mate, its a great drivers road providing you treat it with respect, not so much fun with a 26ft caravan behind u though. that road used to be my playground in my young days.

[Sludge]

your very welcome mate, its a great drivers road providing you treat it with respect, not so much fun with a 26ft caravan behind u though. that road used to be my playground in my young days.

Seem to remember getting caught behind a 26ft caravan on the Putty Road, about 1976 I think. So that was you Buddah!

[denot]

Seem to remember getting caught behind a 26ft caravan on the Putty Road, about 1976 I think. So that was you Buddah!

LOL mr sludge... how old r u now?

[buddah51au]

Seem to remember getting caught behind a 26ft caravan on the Putty Road, about 1976 I think. So that was you Buddah!

A little before my time Sludge old boy, more likely late 90's.....lol

[WATAJK]

Does anyone know which dealerships in melbourne are the better ones? thanks.

Eastern honda is who i recommend to anyone in melb

[buddah51au]

Still the same here with VERY slight pinging noise after the fix etc - only time will tell whether it gets louder at the moment it's fine as it is doesnt bother me as much as I used to.

I think this may be the last time I buy a Honda sedan - my next car in say 5 years or more will probably be non-honda, goodbye 4-cylinders and pinging noises and whatnot!

Primetime, please allow me to respond to your comment, & those with similar thoughts from a technical point of view. What I am about to say is not meant to be offensive to anyone, rather to inform those outside the industry how problems like this are dealt with within the industry.

Firstly, cars like the Accord Euro are low volume sellers, i would guess around 100 cars a month Australia wide, but i stand correcting on that figure. Honda Australia being strictly importers of a product would have very little, if any input into into the design specifications of the car.

In this case there was a problem with engine pinging on some vehicles under certain driving conditions. I think the CU2 was released in June 08, so lets hazard a guess that it was 4 to 6 weeks before HA started to get some feedback on this problem. They would have noted it at that time but needed more feedback to realise that in fact the was a definate problem, so I would hazzard a guestimate of 6 months before they had sufficient complaints to contact Honda Japan to let them know there was a definate problem over a number of vehicles.

From there Honda Japan would have sent over a couple of technicians to evaluate the cars under Australian conditions. From there they would have gone back to head office in Japan with thier findings. They would then have to replicate the problem within their technical department, probably on both an engine dyno & a chassis dyno. That would be the easy part, but time wise probably about 9 months after the release of the car in this country.

Once they could isolate the problem & find the cause, they then have to find a remedy and try different components, design & test those components until they found a suitable solution. That would have covered the replacement knock sensor we are getting. They then have to rewrite the software which turned out to be a comprehensive update, this would not have been a 5 minute job. Once they felt they had found a remedy for the problem a few technicians would have returned to Australia, applied the update to a few cars and extensively road tested those cars. I believe it would have taken 2 or 3 efforts of the above process until they were happy that they had a suitable update that could be released through the dealerships.

The update has been available now for about 2 months, so that would be 14 months after the initial release of the CU2, but more than likely about 8 months since they were notified of the problem by Honda Australia. (these time frames are approximate). After spending more time in the industry than I care to admit, i am personally suprised they found a solution as quick as they did.

They are my thoughts alone and I am not affiliated in any way with Honda. I have seen many worse problems than we have faced on cars far more expensive than a Euro that have never been solved.

[Sludge]

LOL mr sludge... how old r u now?

That's classified, but it was my first car a 74 Mazda 929.

[albii]

Primetime, please allow me to respond to your comment, & those with similar thoughts from a technical point of view. What I am about to say is not meant to be offensive to anyone, rather to inform those outside the industry how problems like this are dealt with within the industry.

Firstly, cars like the Accord Euro are low volume sellers, i would guess around 100 cars a month Australia wide, but i stand correcting on that figure. Honda Australia being strictly importers of a product would have very little, if any input into into the design specifications of the car.

In this case there was a problem with engine pinging on some vehicles under certain driving conditions. I think the CU2 was released in June 08, so lets hazard a guess that it was 4 to 6 weeks before HA started to get some feedback on this problem. They would have noted it at that time but needed more feedback to realise that in fact the was a definate problem, so I would hazzard a guestimate of 6 months before they had sufficient complaints to contact Honda Japan to let them know there was a definate problem over a number of vehicles.

From there Honda Japan would have sent over a couple of technicians to evaluate the cars under Australian conditions. From there they would have gone back to head office in Japan with thier findings. They would then have to replicate the problem within their technical department, probably on both an engine dyno & a chassis dyno. That would be the easy part, but time wise probably about 9 months after the release of the car in this country.

Once they could isolate the problem & find the cause, they then have to find a remedy and try different components, design & test those components until they found a suitable solution. That would have covered the replacement knock sensor we are getting. They then have to rewrite the software which turned out to be a comprehensive update, this would not have been a 5 minute job. Once they felt they had found a remedy for the problem a few technicians would have returned to Australia, applied the update to a few cars and extensively road tested those cars. I believe it would have taken 2 or 3 efforts of the above process until they were happy that they had a suitable update that could be released through the dealerships.

The update has been available now for about 2 months, so that would be 14 months after the initial release of the CU2, but more than likely about 8 months since they were notified of the problem by Honda Australia. (these time frames are approximate). After spending more time in the industry than I care to admit, i am personally suprised they found a solution as quick as they did.

They are my thoughts alone and I am not affiliated in any way with Honda. I have seen many worse problems than we have faced on cars far more expensive than a Euro that have never been solved.

You're well informed mate.Apparantly a few owners got a brand new replacement car and their cars got taken to japan and dismantled and prodded to locate the exact issue and find a fix.

[primetimex]

Thanks for your feedback buddah, very much appreciated and informative.

To be fair, pinging issues aside, there are other issues unrelated to pinging which has happened to me during the time I owned the Euro's (CL9 before and CU2) that have annoyed me to no end.

You're quite right as well that HA is just importers of the car and thus no input into its design specs - this leads again to other points that I have raised elsewhere in the forum but I won't mention here at the risk of going OT.

Well fingers crossed, let's see what happens from now on, I think the pinging fix is as good as it gets for the time being.

[buddah51au]

That's classified, but it was my first car a 74 Mazda 929.

Sludge old boy......got you covered there, my first new Car was a 1970 VW Beetle.....lol. got that after my first car....an FJ holden finished up in 2 pieces