So in other words aza and sexc86 are only gonna be able to do a few runs before they need a rebuild/tune cause they've broken something??
So in other words aza and sexc86 are only gonna be able to do a few runs before they need a rebuild/tune cause they've broken something??
i have been running my car for nearly 4 years and still perfect compression nothing broken (touches wood) haha also for the record run my car over 30 times at willobank
funny also how you single azz'a and myself out because we are an easy target... the guys with the showcars, nice paint and chromies... cars with alot of weight (no its not an excuse) its a fact and therefor cant be compared to the same car with a b16 but alot lighter...
Imo if there was a stock eg civic with a stock b16a you ran some times in it and then you took out the engine and replaced it with my setup or Azz's setup i believe the D's would out perform (all conditions the same).... no offense to anyone here - IMO based on research and experience
lol, someones getting a bit touchy. It's even funnier when one of the guys on here go turbo charge there d-series go down there and loses to that stock commodore that ran 14.5Quote:
Originally Posted by Weq
and that's when i tell my mates, honda's are gay cause of cars like that, it's even got TURBO.
We'll wait for jamboree to see Aza run his 5000 turbo d setup against my 5000 b series setup, since its all about bang for the buck.
People make it like B series swopes are soo expensive..
fair enough but people dont realise how many variations of engines honda have usually .. you will have a r32 with an rb20 or a s13 with a sr20, sure they might be 1 engine upgrade possibly but usually its 1 car with 1 engine... dont think people understand that isnt necesselary the case with hondas... much more paths to choose fromQuote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
also duy wasnt your best time in your b16 around a 14.3? not much difference especially in a much lighter car... (please correct me if im wrong)
lyle is ur d series beast gona be ready for jamboree
sif that's gonna prove anything, timeslips don't mean nothing. just gota tell people you choppped him by 6 car lengths down the long road near your cuzins sisters house.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLOWEGG
mate the one i building is far off so no.... and no im not raceing at jambo with my current setup... But look ill tell everyone what it does in as is condition with the current setup.... at 14.5 with 105fwkw.... for my speific car thats a good achievement due to weight factors (and i belive it can go lower)Quote:
Originally Posted by 90-POV
if no one believes me happy to post slips
I know there are b16s out there that run lower and complete hats off to them (Y) however different car different weight, if i were to put a b16 in my car it would make it go slower not faster...
Finally we agree on something.Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
The b16 is suited to my car and the driving i like to do. If a D series Turbo was in my car i'd have to drive alot differently and probably not the way i'd want to.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
lol so true. after all this i think we've come to the right conclusion. honda's are slow, now that's a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weq
so don't be dissapointed when your car runs a shit time, i think this is the main point i was trying to get across, lol.
So is this the benchmark time for a basic BOLT on setup on a stock d series motor???Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
i think that was with full interior, sound system, and big wheels?Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
lol.
haha thats his fault.... i mean choice lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by destrukshn
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Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
yeh no worries mate i understand but this is more about
Power to Weight Ratio.... Not.... specific setup to Specific car ratio
well if its about power to weight why don't you post the weight of your car up then.
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Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
yeh i know its my choice, makes my car go a bit slower but i dont mind because i like big chrome wheels and a loud system! ... obviously if it wernt in it would to quicker times..... No im not makeing excuse
lol you serious man! how am i supposed to weigh my car?Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
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Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
how much does a small spaceship weigh? hahahahahah
...does he have a rocket engine too?? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by fishman
Now that'd be fast!! :cool: :cool: :cool:
my view is.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
run your car, how it's run on the st.
so got 17's, and full interior, etc.
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Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
So is this the benchmark time for a basic BOLT on setup on a stock d series motor???
i think that was with full interior, sound system, and big wheels?
lol.
Also its a 1.5 not a 1.6
its also got a turbo too! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
Totally agree :thumbsup: :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by destrukshn
I run 14's on the street.
I run with no carpet all day everyday.
i run with my interior inon the street.
I run without a sound system on the street.
I don't work on my car for a full day just to go to the track lol
Just cause its a street car doesn't mean it has to be autosalon spec. It can be race spec. (not that mine is yet lol)
eg sedan... d15b7 (1.5 sohc)... Gestault GV1's 19s (25kgs each) Full street interior, stereo in boot - 2nd battery, 1farad capacitor, 2 x 15inch subs, 2 amps, 100L sub box made from 16mm mdf, space saver and spair tools
14.5 @99MPH and 105fwkw - im very happy
but i cant really see how my car in specific can be a bench mark for a dseries turbo...
Weq's first bolt on setup is a perfect benchmark as it was a 1.6vtec, completely stock other then engine setup
how much would your car weigh in total??
well 105fwkw, and a 14.5 i reckon is very good.
considering, dc2rs dead stock, pull around that time.
where this guy has 19" chromies, full sound system setup, etc, etc.
There is a full interior y4 who ran mid/low 13's on this board with street tyres. Search for his thread. Bolt-on AVO kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpos...72&postcount=5
But it means nothing. Not all people will be as good of a driver. Power is power, if u can use it is another thing. TurboD will make even the most JDM of drivers look like pro's.
I have driven a D series single cam vtec with a "bolt -on kit" and it'll just keep up to a dead stock type R rolling run(80km/hr). Off the mark, the Turbo D has no chance.
We still need to remember that at the end of the day we are comparing an NA 1.6 to a TURBO 1.6.
I'd expect the Turbo to win easily. but so far its not totally dominating as you'd expect.
Its just like comparing the B16 with the SR20. the 2 litre SHOULD smash the 1.6 but it doesn't.
my thoughts:
b16 = great NA engine fighting, and winning, in heavier weight divisions.
D16T = lots of torque, plenty of potential. I just need to see it happen. :thumbsup:
Yes at the end of the day D16T will kill b16a in EG/EK/EM1 shell. Dunno about a b16a in a gen 2 CRX.
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Originally Posted by Weq
wholey shit thats pretty dam good!
I dont get it??? this is at 8psi tuned with a shitty emanage...Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
http://weq.hondatech.com.au/turbo/dyno.jpg
Show me your stock type-r making that power and torque. Infact, show me your modded fully sick NA type-r making that power and torque.
Then i wind up the boost to 11-14psi and destroy u again. 9kw per/psi atw.
gen 2 crx doesn't weigh that much less then a eg civic does it??Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
My semi weight reduced gen 3 (still has interior so its not crazy weight reduced yet) weighs less then a few crx's i met at a recent cruise.
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Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
nah mate at the end of the day this thred is about the potential of Turbo Dseries engines...
2ndly on a side note we are compareing a Turbo D16 Vs a Stock B16A
.... Not Turbo 1.6 vs N/a 1.6
3rdly i dont think a b16 in a civic (stock) would beat a sr20det powered s13... it would give up a good fight though... yes its a 1.6 vs 2l but its a 1.6 in light car vs 2l in a heavier car...
b16 = great NA engine fighting, and winning, in heavier weight divisions.
Agreed great engine PLATFORM(Y) in heavier weight divisions? explain
D16T = lots of torque, plenty of potential. I just need to see it
Agreed ... go to page 1 or page 16...
http://weq.hondatech.com.au/turbo/Vid/Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
Type-r at 8psi.
s2000 at 11psi.
A friend of mine. Both to speed limits. Not even 3rd gear where the turbod becomes a monster. Over 4years ago now. Nothings changed but.
yes, and in order to prove its potential you need to compare. Don't make me qoute my jewish statement from earlier lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
WTF!!! Yes we are. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
Turbo 1.6 = the d series engine + turbo
NA1.6 = the b series engine standard
b16 equiped car vs a SSS pulsar with a SR20DE not DETQuote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
Using your example tho. it must be annoying to have a 2 litre turbo and have an NA 1.6 hot up your ass...
I need to see it in aus. If its got all this potential, bring it to the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
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Originally Posted by Weq
wholey shit man respect!
ok can i address something getting back to the original statement that you can turbo a D-series engine for the same price as you could convert to a B-series engine and get better results.
Did you consider that after you swap out your D-series you have still got all that D-series gear to sell and the money gained from that could buy modds for the B-series engine thus comparing the B-series in totally stock trim would not be fair.
how much could you sell, lets say a1.5 single cam no vtec, motor for? not much i reckon.Quote:
Originally Posted by ek4-guy
lol
man can you seriously not see the point i have made here...
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Originally Posted by Sexc86
2ndly on a side note we are compareing a Turbo D16 Vs a Stock B16A
.... Not Turbo 1.6 vs N/a 1.6
WTF!!! Yes we are. lol
Turbo 1.6 = the d series engine + turbo
NA1.6 = the b series engine standard
Dyno figures don't mean shit....... MPH shows the power of the motor.
B16 = NA 1.6 and you want to compare it to a Turbo'd 1.6 litre motor. Where have i gone wrong??
fair enough good point but really any dseries you be lucky getting over $500 for ... + it wont just majically turn into $50 bills as soon as you unbolt it..Quote:
Originally Posted by ek4-guy
also the time you loose dealing with selling it is actually lost money as time is money....
still its not a bad point you may get a bit of pocket money back once your take it out
gen 2 crx weigh alot less then EG's. i'd say around 80-120 kg less.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
How so?? The car sits in the garage waiting for parts lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
its not like your running a business where you're paying someone to try and sell your motor. HAHAHA
hahaha when we selling it its a 1.5L when we talking it up it's a 1.6L
Well at the moment my gen 3 is sitting at about 940 with full tank of fuel and interior panels.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
I was told by a gen 2 owner that they (a gen 2 crx) came standard with 1060 ish kilos??
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Originally Posted by fatboyz39
so then you have to compare a stock gen2 crx SIR vs a Stock Gen2 crx d16a8 turbo..... i dont see how a b16 can be in the clear?
as above about selling stuff that u take out....
i bought my y8 with 80,000km for 370$ and i sold my ld y4 for 2/5ths of **** all. like we said there cheap haha
WRONG! You'd need to compare a Gen2 CRX D16A8 with a Gen2 CRX SIR with I/H/E because your not just throwing a snail in the bay. You're upgrading to a large exhaust and less restrictive intake system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
If honda made an "emissions compliant" manifold, exhaust and intake system for turbo D16A8 it'd be able to be directly compared to a SIR crx in standard trim.
aza did your y8 have a gearbox, drive shafts, ecu and all the rest it didnt even come with the manifold for $370 and how mutch would you pay now for the right one
The video backs up the ass whooping my dyno graph portrays. DynoDYnamics in shootout mode with correct tyres pressures kinda seals the deal. I think u should quite the shit talking and start showing me video's of your weaksauce muffintop b-series beating a turbo D.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
Cause in the end, no matter what MPH, ET or KW turbod makes, it STILL beats your NA B.
S-I-M-P-L-E as P-I-E
Quote: Well at the moment my gen 3 is sitting at about 940 with full tank of fuel and interior panels.
- shit man you must have some big scales ! :P
- Time is money its a fact
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quote - We still need to remember that at the end of the day we are comparing an NA 1.6 to a TURBO 1.6.
i do know what you mean but your terminology... you make it sound like Engine A vs Engine A + turbo .... not the case... This is Engine A vs Engine B + Turbo....
thats all bro i know you mean well
How can you compare this? Your pouring in at least 5k for a complete turbo setup tune and all. Put this amount of moeny towards a b16a gen 2 crx and see how it goes.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
hey all, i turbo'd my D series about 2 years ago, stock motor. Making about 180hp at the wheels on 9psi.
Mods are:
3" exhaust
custom turbo manifold
custom dump
stainless piping
600x300 FMIC
turbosmart supersonic BOV
Microtech MT-8
Exedy HD Clutch
RX-7 Turbo Injectors
GT28 Skyline GTR turbocharger
I beat DC5's without a problem, turbo VL's, R33's, R32's, 5L commo's, Gen3 Commo's etc..ohh. and stock b16 crx's aren't worth racing
Does that solve the arguement fellas??
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Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
nah wrong mate.... thats complete off... its BUDGET vs BUDGET... not Dseries Turbo + Bseries + mods blahblahblah
the whole reason why there is such a classic argument with the turbo D vs B16 is because they are within the same budget ! Bolt on Turbo kit D vs Stock B16 (Not B16 with I/H/E)
Back in the day i bought a spare Y1 with box for $300. Straight from the engine bay of a b-series swap. I installed and turbo'd the motor in a friends car and raped the original own's newly swapped hatch... lifes a bitch, huh.Quote:
Originally Posted by ek4-guy
I weigh my car at every event i go to on racing scales.. (motorkhana)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
Does your car have an ABN and pay tax and collect gst or somethin??Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
They're both still 1.6 litre engines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
cute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
then your engines gonna go BLOW BLOW BLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWQuote:
Originally Posted by Weq
ok budget vs budget then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
stock car with b16 vs stock car with d16.
Give each person 3 or 4 grand to spend and see who can make the most out of it...
D16 person buys turbo kit and b16 person buys turbo kit.
B16 guy whoops d16 guys ass and they've both spent the same amount of money.
If you wanna compare budgets go to financial aid. We're comparing engines & performance man.
My first turbo setup was 3k. Tuned to 11psi.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
A friend on this board who is going to remain anonymous cause he likes beating JDM ricers, has almost completed a similiar setup. 4years on, the forumula still applys. Just gotta be smart.
blow-off?Quote:
Originally Posted by froggy
I raped the shit out of my original setup. 40,000km's in one year. Just general serivcings. Never skipped a beat.
Sexc86 shouldnt even talk, he's got the most riced up car in the world. his turbo makes him slower cus it adds more weight....everyones talking about how they can win rolling blah blha WHO CARESS do u go to the drag strip and ask for a rolling start? i dont think so....any engine has some kind of potential.....but dont talk the D series up.....it aint that great...
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Originally Posted by fatboyz39
incorrect! your budget for the turbo setup is too high IMO! Also i apologies wrong terminology....
need to compare 2 STOCK gen 2 crx's both with d16a8... Path A owner swaps out and converts with a Bseries.... Path B Owner spens the same amount of money on a turbo conversion.. hence more power and faster car...
however you are correct if someone with a bseries SIR were to spend the same amount of money as a turbo conversion cost on a D16a8 it would be in the clear by far..
but we ahve allready covered this earlier.... if you have a Bseries we are not saying swap it out for the D.. we are saying if you have a Dseries dont swap it out for a B over a turbo conversion... as its less value
The reason i blew engines was because of dodgy engine builders. Im not going to name names though.
lol weq your a man of mystery
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Originally Posted by Sexc86
- Time is money its a fact
Does your car have an ABN and pay tax and collect gst or somethin??
Doesnt matter it applys to everyone.. called life
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Originally Posted by Sexc86
i do know what you mean but your terminology... you make it sound like Engine A vs Engine A + turbo .... not the case... This is Engine A vs Engine B + Turbo....
They're both still 1.6 litre engines.
with different specs & power outputs
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Originally Posted by Sexc86
thats all bro i know you mean well
cute. hahaa ;)
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Originally Posted by Sexc86
nah wrong mate.... thats complete off... its BUDGET vs BUDGET... not Dseries Turbo + Bseries + mods blahblahblah
the whole reason why there is such a classic argument with the turbo D vs B16 is because they are within the same budget ! Bolt on Turbo kit D vs Stock B16 (Not B16 with I/H/E)
ok budget vs budget then.
stock car with b16 vs stock car with d16.
Give each person 3 or 4 grand to spend and see who can make the most out of it...D16 person buys turbo kit and b16 person buys turbo kit.
B16 guy whoops d16 guys ass and they've both spent the same amount of money.
If you wanna compare budgets go to financial aid. We're comparing engines & performance man.
apologies bad terminology - read post #224
you're forgetting lyle that there's at least 4k between the two cars bought at second hand prices these days...
jase its more about what is the best option if your car has a d-series engine
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Originally Posted by Weq
ahahaha ! awsome
is this the same dyno that toda uses ? LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Weq
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Originally Posted by ek4-guy
AMEN!!!!! ONE OF THE SMARTEST POSTS IN THIS THRED SO FAR!!!
must be a pretty nice 'RICE' Car considering i deffinately get my fair share of compliments and gratitude from all sorts of people, not to mention awards from shows....Quote:
Originally Posted by froggy
End of the day its not about my car is it.. nope.. feel sorry for ya that smartest thing you can say is....
ohhhhhh!! but but but.... Lyles car has CHROME!!!.... yeh man
End of the day go through my post history lot better info comeing from me rather then you!... people like you should get out of here because your not doing favors for anyone on both sides
so much for the potentials of d-series, this thread has gone pear shaped lol im having fun reading lol!
yeh things usually go pear shaped when you got 1 side of an argument (that arnt man enough to look outside of their views and take in some prooved infomation)... starts looseing and running out of material... so then it comes down to petty, pathetic abuse....
b16.. 117 kw at the motor
my D16T.. about 130 kw at the wheels. lol what we argueing for?
modified D16T.. 11.6 by Andy Le (Hot 4's car) who also first boosted my car.
what we argueing for? i'll be out thursday night with cruisingbrisbane.com check it out if u like
peace..
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Originally Posted by 90LAN
hey champ... made some good points... however D16 Turbo modified - Very good according to page 1 and a few other examples some pages back...
b16 turbo modified.. not 9sec generally but still pretty good
talking about the states.... this thred is about potential of a Dseres turbo with the States cars as a reference... not saying it is better then any other path
Yes there will be a NA B series on the same dyno with you when the tune takes place.
man its not going anywhere because people arnt listening and wont look at results or facts and have a civil constructive convo about it... and other people post up stuff like............. "errr your wak because you have chrome rims"....
pretty mature