i hope sooo lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DR HONDA
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i hope sooo lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DR HONDA
Congrats , heapssss of power!!!
Thats some hectic power. Will it be able to put the power down? 10sec pass?
My own build from the backyard collection. Maybe the FN2R manifold has a bit to do with it. Hopefully i can get it off the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by EG5
Ill be happy with a low 12 high 11 thats enough. Im not a driver im a builder thats just fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
Thats some decent power.
My prediction, mid 11's at 120+mph. Not a chance of getting that off the line in a hurry with a "normal" suspension setup.
Let us know when you take it out. :)
haha we all know what those numbers will be making..
i guerss u proved me wrong with that manifold aye ;)
Test and tune andra nights friday nights. Tommorrow dont expect anything savage just L plate driving.
farkk congrats on the new setup mann thats fantastic.... adrian is a great tuner and a great guy.... all the best with this power to run a good time.. im sure youll become a great driver with abit of practice
the fn2r manifold is actually the best designed factory k- series manifold...
Its a well designed factory manifold. Will try another type one day if someone supplies it for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by delsol9000rpms
Crazy!
fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
congrats - keep pushing that envelope!
Wow. I thought hassys figure of 170atw was nuts enough. Nice work Dr Honda and Adrian :thumbsup::thumbsup:
hahaha..!!
yea he built my motor so shows who is the BEST K SERIES BUILDER IN THE COUNTRY...
Drooolllll
specs on the Doctor Honda motor please :)
So i can catalogue it in the first post
K24/K20
KPRO
3 inch exhaust
FN2R intake manifold
stock injectors
what cams?
hell yeah, that's some crazy powa!
lol can we have some specs on the motor? wat cams n stuff...?
this motors got over 200kw in it easy with a few more tweaks and a little more time on the dyno... crazy setup
Was this on pump fuel (98)?
thats awsome from a stock motor, phil im the guy u met at toda.
how did u go at the runs tonight.
JDMYARD has abit of catching up to do from there stock motor (yeah right stock )
Mate, I suggest you spend a little more time here and at the track before you go claiming something isn't true when everyone else knows it is :thumbdwn:
Agreed. These guys are all pushing the envelope and setting new benchmarks. The first thing you will learn about racing is respect. When you do the hard yards, you know how hard the yards actually are. When you have a fellow beating you are catching you, you respect them for putting in the same hard yards...
I will once i get my car finished, engine allmost done.Quote:
Originally Posted by grumpy rooster
I have nuffin against Yoanus but i don't beleive his engine is stock as he keep's telling people, its just my opinion , i might be wrong, but im certain im not. Has anyone witnessed whats under the rocker cover to suggest its stock, also what kw.s is this motor making these days, this will determine wether it's stock.
Do some research and get back to us.:rolleyes:
Will take alot of pics / make a video when I do my Buddyclub N+ cams package in the next few weeks. You can come and inspect what is under the rocker cover.Quote:
Originally Posted by B20NA
100% stock untouched internal motor here fresh from Hontoys , you can ask Dyno dave , Paul from Pulse racing who tuned my car , Deddy from Top one automotive or Westside muffler , DRH.
They are the guys who helped me with my EGK24A.
Only 7600rpm rev limiter here which is pushing the limit of a stock k24a3.
154kw@wheels , 867 kg + 60kg driver , do your calculation.
When I got my built motor , I will make sure it will run numbers down the 1/4 mile .
what ever, anyway i hope you get the numbers down the quarter, im not degrading your car, im actually happy you run quick time's also im happy for all honda's N/A to run quick times, that's why we build these beasty engine's, anyway back to the topic, any updates on DRHONDA run tonight
DRH is running good tonight :)
I let him updated with details
what do you see as the biggest limiting factor for say 8000rpm redline on stock K24? the valvetrain / piston speed / or oil pump?Quote:
Originally Posted by EG5
alot of guys in the states run stock K24s to 8000+rpm with k20 valvetrain and oil pump... so im guesssing it would be ok?
No fighting guys. I will post runs later. Just a warm up, it reached 121mph.
valve train and bottom endQuote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
Quote:
Originally Posted by B20NA
id keep quiet if i wer you
ill bet my BADHBT dc2 that yonas car has stock internals.......+ $5k cash so you can dig your self a Hole to burry your head in.
hey DRH what time did you run very interested also you have video footage
B20NA, you're a fcuken nut sack. Talk about being a hater big time...
What makes you think im a hater, i have an opinion and i expressed it on a forum, isn't that why we have forums. Anyway think what you want, i don't know yonas personally and i give him credit for his time's.Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
So lets move on!!!!
Come on guys i didnt post my sheet up to create a tug of war, if i new it was create this much shit i wouldnt have posted. My dyno sheet was to show the the yanks that we can do it here in oz too without a million dollar budget. Lets keep deflamatory comments to pms or to yourselfs.
Who cares what is or isnt done to his engine....At the end of the day times down the 1/4 or at the track speak much louder.
Congrats to EG5 and his personal achievement. \
Lets move on guys ! More cars n dyno graphs n specs !
thats right lets move on, b20na had an opinion and thats all it was.
so is the DrH engine running camshafts that are not the OEM ones?
i.e. what cams is it running?
Customer - Phil (aka DR Honda)
Engine - K24A Bottom end + K20A Head
Displacement -
Bore -
Stroke -
CR -
Camshaft - TODA
Camgear Settings - Ex per cam card - Int OEM K20A 50 degree VTC
Gearbox - OEM DC5R
I/H/E - Custom CAI + BDL 70mm throttle on std FN2 CTR plenum / SSR 4~1 header / Metal cat / R-Crew cat back
1/4 mile - Best ET to date 11.6 / Best mph to date 121.8mph
ECU - Hondata K-Pro
Edit: This car is fun to tune.... :p (Good engine :thumbsup:)
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...0K24Hybrid.jpg
why not fill out the other space?
Wouldn't it make more sense to just go with a Kseries since a basic k20a package would quite easily push over 150kw atw?Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
cause its all stock like ur motor:DQuote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
Yes it would power wise to do a k series swap opposed to working a b series, hence why everyone is doing them now a days, but a k swap im sure eats up 10k + very easily when you consider the parts required and then you have mods from there but the potential for greater gains are in a k.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
You need all the right bolt ons and tune to make 150 atw out of a JDM K20A (AND THATS THE PRICEY BOLT ONS) as you will be dreaming if you think you can make 150 out of an K20A2 unless someone fudges the dyno figures.
When we say quality bolt ons, really we are only talking about good header, IM and ECU, so when compared to the massive amount of works poured into the b20 it's nothing in terms of $$, effort and time...
jdm k20a with JDMyard IM + 75mm TB , dtr header , 3 inch exhaust , kpro . made 155kw@wheelsQuote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
Quote:
Originally Posted by DR HONDA
Right on. :thumbsup:
It's not my car or engine so to be frank it's not up to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
Plus, being an engine that's making loads of grunt & well & truley at the sharp end of K-series drag racing in this country,
A little bit of mystery isn't really such a bad thing now is it?
As the other guys have said, 150kw isn't just as simple as intake header & exhaust...Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
The B-series is doing it's job well at the moment.
After the sprint rounds well have a look at the drag strip with it.
Obviously we won't go anywhere near phil, but we'll see how it goes.
Cheers
Adrian
ive got a quick question about phils car i am by no means flaming
how is the k24 bottem end coping with such high rpm is it from an accord or crv is their any difference? that might make it more capable to run those higher rpms?
its just that i read today with the k24a to be running at rpm's that high it would have piston speeds higher then say a f20c at the same rpm from this article
http://www.civictype-r.co.uk/forum/v...p?f=43&t=36869
"the actual bolting on part wouldn't be too difficult, as the heads should mount right up. However, you do run into an issue with piston speed. At its 7900-rpm redline, the K20A2 in the Type-S has a piston speed of 4464 feet per minute (fpm). Thanks to its long stroke, the K24A1 comes close to that, running at 4225 fpm at its much lower redline of 6500 rpm. By the time you've spun your K24 up to just 6900 rpm, you're already at 4485 fpm, and at the 7900 rpm redline of the K20A2, you're at a crazy 5135 fpm. For comparison, even the hyperkinetic S2000 with its 9000 rpm redline doesn't exceed 5000 fpm (it maxes out at 49% fpm). And the Integra's B18C1 only reached 4573 fpm. Translation: If you're going to plunk a K20A2 head on a K24A1 block and redline the concoction to 7900 rpm without seriously building up the bottom end.. duck. "
this was an article when the k series first came out and is from america
i just want to ask these questions so i can learn more about the k series feel free to pm me
LOL thats funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by mr_vtec
You don't need to pour massive amounts of money into a B20, its about the right combo, i think a b20 is cheaper to build than a k-series as parts are more accessable and alot cheaper, i don't think you will make 200kws out of a b20 but i think 170-180kws is very achivable with the right setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
My cousin run's a workshop in the USA and ive been speaking to the founder of b-series and he made 203kws from his b-series but as we know USA dyno's are way out on power figurers, my built is basicly going to be the same and im hoping for some decent figurers and it hasn't cost me a fortune.
170-180 rwkw is a big expensive ask of a b series engine, look at the 152kw the Toda EG is making on pump gas, whilst the cost of this engine is unknown it wouldnt be a budget build and the highest b series dyno sheet made public as far as im aware.Quote:
Originally Posted by B20NA
170-180kw would be the most powerful b series this country has seen so look forward to seeing your motor once its up and running but as for 203kw, that would have to be a super high comp, high capacity, race fuel/methanol drinking machine and yes, U.S dyno figures unless coming off the same dyno in the same mode weather corrected.
Whats your build compromise of and how long till your hoping to have it completed?
Yeah agreed 170-180kw is a BIG ask for B series. Anywayz goodluck with it.
Engine - B20B Bottom end + B16A Head ( Head flowed 300cfm @ 28 inches of water )
Displacement - 2L
Bore - 84.5
Stroke - STOCK
CR - 12:5 - 13:1
Camshaft - JUN3 or Custom Blueprint Race
I/H/E - Jenvey Quad 48mm taper throttle bodies / Hytec tri-y 4-2-1 / 2.5 - 2.75 cat back
ECU - Hondata S300
You might fall short of your target power.Quote:
Originally Posted by B20NA
170kws = 227hp, we will see how we go
227 hp US dyno will be possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by B20NA
looks like a pretty standard b20 build... on pump fuel i highly doubt you'll see even close to them numbers on our dyno's.
225whp US dyno = around 190 - 200whp Australian dyno
you are wrong dang, with the right set up anything is possible for example a budget dseries turbo will eat a k swap...Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
Its true my build my time my cash my r&d. Ill advertise once it reaches its peak:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
You shouldnt even bother bringing a forced induction motor into this conversation, as thats not the comparision and i agree with Dang and all others B20NA, i highly doubt you will make anywhere near 170 rwkw with that set-up on pump fuel.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
Out of interest, if you have your head flow figures available, what are your exhaust ports flowing?
You'll make a buckle load of mid range torque!
We had a B20vtec that made close to 150kw's. Its a much more simple setup than Toda's EG. Had stock rods, Cast pistons and a set of mild cams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaz
So in saying that, anything is achievable for a B20vtec.
Keep up the good work B20NA :thumbsup:
Edit....
(Comment was just spam)
dudes.. stop spamming the thread, this one has a specific purpose = POWERBAND/CURVE as a result of camshafts and supporting modifications...
no cam and full motor specs put it in the dyno thread and discuss there.
besides US dynos calculate 15% drivetrain constantly. whereas afaik ours are configured based on fwd/rwd/awd from ~20%
Leonards EG is a purpose built engine for the application of reliable racing with excellent throttle response, torque, and power across the selected rev range, and im sure its still got plenty in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson
What im also not saying is power figures of 150kw cant be done cheaper either.
But ill still be very impressed seeing 170kw out of that set-up on pump, but not putting down the engine or combo, just speaking from what ive seen.
Out of interest, if you have your head flow figures available, what are your exhaust ports flowing?[/QUOTE]
213 cfm @28 inches of water
Slaz i agree it will be hard to get those figures on pump, but we will see what happens.
Anyway lets get back on the topic of this forum.
This is King motorsports setup in the US
Here it is again:
Kingmotorsports built bottom end
B20z block
13.1:1 compression 93 octane
Bdl block guard
Mahle 3cc 84.5mm pistons
Stock rods bushed small ends with ARP bolts
Kingmotorsports balanced rotating assembly including flywheel and clutch
Type R head street ported by PURE TUNING
stock Type R valves
supertech springs
crower cro-moly retainers
Skunk2 Pro 2's degreed in at 55* opening on the exhaust@.040 valve lift
Skunk2 Cam gears
Type R intake manifold stock matched to TB
Type R throttle body bored to 64.5mm
RC 310's 96% duty cycle
DC jdm 4 to 1 header
Skunk2 Mega powerR exhaust 2.75"
Hondata S200
Link
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2286082
read this link, he allmost got the work to do my head, but i went to the US
http://autospeed.com/cms/A_2498/article.html
nice link.
but this is really the wrong thread.
what are the average torque ratings for a stock b18CR with bolt ons, and same for a k20? from what Ive seen b18c's are round the 160nm mark? and what are the k20's? thanks
Its hard to compare with the 6 speed gearbox
anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by prego
The piston speeds are infact that high but its working isnt it, but saying that, most of these K24 engines going around are in street/drag orientated cars, dare say if you were hoping to have this set-up as a curcuit engine and have it produce similar power at sustained high rpm for long periods of time, the chance of failure is much higher hence why the curcuit k motors out of Japan or the U.S use the OEM 2.2 crank like what is suppplied with the Toda 2.2ltr stroker kit for the k20 motor instead of using the k24 bottom end.
In the U.S they are starting to mod the turbocharged Honda RDX crank to work in k series engine as its of better quality, OEM manufactured and doesnt come from an engine that uses balance shafts. ;)
Hope this will help out guys wanting to go down the b16a route. Dyno sheet will be posted up soon. Dyno ran out of paper :(. Tuner for both setups DD. same dyno was used on both ocassion.
Engine - BYP B16a (P72 head port/valve train)
Displacement - 1598cc
Bore - 81mm
Stroke - 77mm
CR - 12:1
Camshaft - BC spec 3
Camgear Settings - BYP
VTEC X-Over - ..BYP
Gearbox -4.9FD B16a
I/H/E -Skunk2 manifold + 70mm t/b/ BC headers/ 2.5'.
ECU - Hondata S200
Peak power 123kw atw
Engine - BYP b16a (PR3 head -stock ITR head with valve train)
Displacement - 1598cc
Bore - 81mm
Stroke - 77mm
CR - 11.7:1
Camshaft - BC spec 3
Camgear Settings - ...BYP
VTEC X-Over - ...BYP
Gearbox - 4.9FD b16a
I/H/E - A-Sport ITB 44mm/ Toda rep style header/ 2.5'
ECU - Hondata S200
Peak power 117kw atw
Between the 2 setup's we've change the intake system (ITB), different head (stock ITR head), and different header design. We manage to pick up a massive 12-18kw gain in the midrange. Both setup had thorough tune so it wasnt just a quick slap tune.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...9/P1017852.jpg
wow nice mods