Lets Talk d-series

[Dy_]

if you're gonna get an xforce header, dont, its the exact same thing as the $17 ebay 4-2-1 headers i bought, same material (stainless steel), same inside diameter, same quality welds, same note, same power gain.

in fact, most 4-2-1 d series headers are the same. if you're gonna fork out $600 for headers, get a bisimoto 4-1 header, makes more power than a 4-2-1 setup, throughout the entire revrange.

hrmm have you got any results to support that?

i cant really come to understand that headers going for 500$ is exactly like ones that are 17$

[SeverAMV]

hrmm have you got any results to support that?

i cant really come to understand that headers going for 500$ is exactly like ones that are 17$

i compared my ebay headers right next to xforce headers, exact same in every way.
here's an example of the ebay header http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Header-for-Honda-civic-EG-EK-EF-92-93-94-95-96-97-98-99_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33631QQihZ001QQitemZ 110260726843QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW and compare it to http://www.xforce.com.au/cars/view_car/19
if you look at most d series headers (even the hytech 4-2-1), they all use the exact same design, and thus, make the exact same power. only real difference is that the xforce ones will probably last a year longer than the ebay ones. heck, for $600, you're better off getting a whole header + 2.5inch stainless steel exhaust from ebay.

[tekung89]

hrmm have you got any results to support that?

i cant really come to understand that headers going for 500$ is exactly like ones that are 17$

think about it for a second, wat are u really playing for? the steel and the labour that takes to make the headers.
now lets talk in terms of power gains, how is a header made by xforce 4-2-1, 2.5 ''diameter or any other brand costing $600+ dollars going to give u any more power gains then an unknown brand header that is identical, 4-2-1 made out of the same type of steel with the same diameter, which typical sus304 or 312? and the same welding which should pretty much all be the same these days, tig welded.
where as if u settle for the headers ServerAMV is talking about, it is designed differently to attain power through the rev range from the way its designed.

[SeverAMV]

yup, bisimoto 4-1 extractors are one of the few that are based on fluid dynamics, and aimed at hitting all the necessary harmonics to maximise power throughout the rev range. bisimoto is one of the few NA d series tuners that are able to hit quarter miles in the ten second range (and he actually uses his products to hit it).
how many other companies that produce d series headers actually race with them? only other one i can think of is skunk2, and if i remember correctly, similar if not exact same design as ebay.

[B147ch]

comeonnn... 17 dollar headers..

youre better off putting racing stripes on your car to make it go faster!!!!

my DC sports headers for the D series are a sweet addition to the EG..

[beeza]

I know A LOT of the young guys on d-series.org that have very little money buy these cheap headers all the time of ebay and don't have anything bad to say about them.If they last 2 years it's money well spent but they are lasting a lot longer than that.

[MM89]

some people just can't get around how ebay headers do exactly
the same thing that the 600 dollar headers they paid for
feeling of getting ripped off doesn't feel good.

[beeza]

Yes.So true.These item DO exist.I wouldn't buy ebay coilovers but I would buy a ebay header.

[kazam]

yeh but the header comparison (ebay and $600+) could go for anything, why pay 1200 for BC spec 2 system, when u can go 2 local shop and have it made for $500, or any SS exhaust system for that matter, correct me if im wrong.

[EK1.6LCIV]

my ebay headers on mine cost me $280 delivered for the D16Y8 (these are s/s with very nice/clean welds 4-2-1 design, the only mod that had to be done to them was the additions of a s/s flexi joint before the flange that leads to the s/s cat) and with the 2" exhaust with s/s cat, res, and cannon muffler, it made just under 100hp atw a month or so ago. Just wish I could get them clean again, lol

[kazam]

and how much had it made stock?

[Dy_]

fair enough;
end result: ebay headers work!

[EK1.6LCIV]

stock unsure, only dynoed it for a laugh at Predator against my mates 180sx, lol. There is an increase in torque imo, and Im running the stock EJ8 airbox and Honda OEM air filter, with no other mods to gain any kind of horsepower, and just to be even funnier it was with using 10% ethanol gas put in there by mistake and I must admit it isnt too bad altho Honda doesn't suggest it

[beeza]

75kw.Very Nice Ryan!

[kazam]

sif 25kw gain...

[Lukezen27]

sif 25kw gain...

Na

Stock D16 SOHC VTec should get about 70kw ATW

Try 5kw gain

[kazam]

yeh but he got 100kw

[Lukezen27]

yeh but he got 100kw

No he got 100hp

0.75 of a kw

[kazam]

zzzzzzzzzzz my mistake >.<

[EK1.6LCIV]

71.6kW :D :honda:

[Lukezen27]

71.6kW :D :honda:

Well that's about what you should get stock

[tekung89]

not bad for a D series, i saw the crx boys who are normally together at autosalon back in 06. dynod their b16 at 85kw atw, 71kw isnt too far off and pretty decent for y4?. im guessing the delsol guys were aiming for show. nevertheless they did have the basic mods, intake, exhaust, headers and maybe a few other things wen i had a short glance.

[diffuzn]

not bad for a D series, i saw the crx boys who are normally together at autosalon back in 06. dynod their b16 at 85kw atw, 71kw isnt too far off and pretty decent for y4?. im guessing the delsol guys were aiming for show. nevertheless they did have the basic mods, intake, exhaust, headers and maybe a few other things wen i had a short glance.


serious? i got 96kw atfw with only intake and apexi exhaust :\ i'm sure if they had headers it would put out a bit more power

[beeza]

Ryan's is the Y8.Dave (TurtleEK1) got exactly the same a while back when he had his Y4 with I/H/E and FPR.71.6kw :)
On the same day I got 64.9kw in my Automatic Y4 with just Intake and exhaust.
I will be getting mine tuned with greedy emanage soon.My car now has I/H/E,FPR and MSD Ignition System.I'm really lookig forward to seeing how the tune is done and seeing what results can be had.

[tekung89]

serious? i got 96kw atfw with only intake and apexi exhaust :\ i'm sure if they had headers it would put out a bit more power

at the fly wheel is different mate from at the treads.

[B147ch]

lol i was gonna say...

im pulling over 80kw atw with headers and exhaust...

any recommendations for a good cai???

[Lukezen27]

lol i was gonna say...

im pulling over 80kw atw with headers and exhaust...

any recommendations for a good cai???

Fuk thats dam good for a D16Y1

Got the dyno sheet?

[yuentinlon]

... i know with greddy turbo it .. labour and tuning ....

$3000 is not enough , right ??? coz turbo kit cost 2000$ already...

and i dont think i can found some one install that and tune it for me for$1000

in brisbane >.< ....

[Lukezen27]

... i know with greddy turbo it .. labour and tuning ....

$3000 is not enough , right ??? coz turbo kit cost 2000$ already...

and i dont think i can found some one install that and tune it for me for$1000

in brisbane >.< ....

Man that's weird

$1000 should be heaps for just the install...

Now I know what's needed I could do it myself lol

[paps02]

keep saving. your nearly half way to a greddy kit from U.S! 2k!! im nearly there but clubbing and casino dont help out i found

[[ricer]]

dont just save up for the kit and install

save for a clutch, ebc, intercooler...etc... and any problems that may occur along the way

[Lukezen27]

keep saving. your nearly half way to a greddy kit from U.S! 2k!! im nearly there but clubbing and casino dont help out i found

Well yeah clubbing and casino won't help :p

[Dy_]

casino might.....

[Alexx]

dunno if you boys have seen this, you probably have, but i just saw it today

d15b with ITBs. Interesting setup, seems like it goes ok!

Maybe offtopic, but this is the D series thread....

youtube link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGAufNAxv8c&feature=related)

[Lukezen27]

dunno if you boys have seen this, you probably have, but i just saw it today

d15b with ITBs. Interesting setup, seems like it goes ok!

Maybe offtopic, but this is the D series thread....

youtube link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGAufNAxv8c&feature=related)

Yeah I've seen it before but it sure sounds nice :thumbsup:

[B147ch]

Fuk thats dam good for a D16Y1

Got the dyno sheet?

Yeah bro i'll scan the last dyno i did on it and post it for ya.. heh

[beeza]

Or just take a pic and post that.

[hondavti25]

hhmm interesting stuff in this... i am still trying to figure out if my money is better spent on a b18c or a Greddy turbo kit..

[Lukezen27]

hhmm interesting stuff in this... i am still trying to figure out if my money is better spent on a b18c or a Greddy turbo kit..

All depends if you'll want more power after the upgrade or not

[B147ch]

oooh something about a b18cR in an EG gives me the tingles!!

[tekung89]

B147ch it says on ur profile dat u have a EG5, isnt that the SI model with the DOHC D series? coz 80kw is heaps good for a NA sohc, but sounds acheiveable on a DOHC Dseries. good work tho =]

[B147ch]

B147ch it says on ur profile dat u have a EG5, isnt that the SI model with the DOHC D series? coz 80kw is heaps good for a NA sohc, but sounds acheiveable on a DOHC Dseries. good work tho =]

nope.. i've got the sohc vtec.. there really isnt THAT much difference between the two..

its achievable, just small mod's here and there.. H/E/I, apexi vtec controller, bigger leads.. it was last tuned when the exhaust and vtec controller was fitted, so i think i'd best get my butt to TODA.. eheh

[beeza]

What bigger leads are U using? I'm looking to change mine.I'm running the MSD ignition system too.

[B147ch]

Im using the NGK leads... RC-HE73.. TOPS!
I think i got them for around 70 bucks per lead?
well spent.
also try the splitfire triple platinum sparkies.. you'll be suprised!

[beeza]

Thanks mate.I will definately try the plugs.I had been thinking about it but thought it's probably overkill but I believe ya!
Where did U source the leads from?

[B147ch]

Call up an autopro and they can order them in!
same with the plugs..

LOL i had an awesome run with an EK si the other night.. they move.. but i move quicker! LOL

Here's the link for the NGK ignition leads part finder:

http://www.ngkspark.com.au/part_index.htm?http://www.ngkspark.com.au/PartFinder/leads.php

[[ricer]]

LOL i had an awesome run with an EK si the other night.. they move.. but i move quicker! LOL


whats a EK si?

[Lukezen27]

;1766628']whats a EK si?

Yeah

Never new there was such a thing :p

[dahon]

there isnt.
i think he means the USDM equivalent Si Coupe, which is basically like the EK 99-00 VTi-R coupe here?
they come with the b16 from the ek4 i believe.

[beeza]

Call up an autopro and they can order them in!
same with the plugs..

LOL i had an awesome run with an EK si the other night.. they move.. but i move quicker! LOL

Here's the link for the NGK ignition leads part finder:

http://www.ngkspark.com.au/part_index.htm?http://www.ngkspark.com.au/PartFinder/leads.php

Thanks mate.
Are your leads blue? I couldn't use that site,there wasn't a listing for my car :/ 96 EK1 d16y4

[nugget1]

Just checking out the NGK parts finder,what model do you look under to find the D16Y8? Buggered if I can find it!!

[B147ch]

there isnt.
i think he means the USDM equivalent Si Coupe, which is basically like the EK 99-00 VTi-R coupe here?
they come with the b16 from the ek4 i believe.

LOL yeah like i said.. it had guts so it could have been a Vti-R.. too dark to see if there was a sunroof, and was too busy flooring it!! :p

Here's my lasy dyno done last year after exhaust and vtec controller were installed. - only got a K&N panel filter in stock box. meh.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u177/b147ch/Image013.jpg

[B147ch]

B147ch it says on ur profile dat u have a EG5, isnt that the SI model with the DOHC D series? coz 80kw is heaps good for a NA sohc, but sounds acheiveable on a DOHC Dseries. good work tho =]

it says on my shell its an EG5 built date july 94 so yerr..

pretty sure its a sohc vtec lol

[bennjamin]

guys EG5 is


91-93 Si (DOHC non vtec d16a8)
93-95 vti (SOHC vtec d16y8/y1)

[B147ch]

guys EG5 is


91-93 Si (DOHC non vtec d16a8)
93-95 vti (SOHC vtec d16y8/y1)

i thought 95 was EG6???

[bennjamin]

i thought 95 was EG6???

no no no no no no

THINK for a second.

Different countries have different cars . right ? The EG6 was NEVER released here in Australia. Only Japan , malaysia and some others....
The EG6 is from 92-95. came with the b16a2.

In AUSTRALIA , the EG5 is Si or vti.
The EG4 is a gli , EG3 is a breeze , EG2 is a crx del sol etc. All these titles are different in other countries :thumbsup:

[B147ch]

meh.. whatev's..

so much confusion when ordering parts from overseas especially when matching with USDM civics..

[B147ch]

Thanks mate.
Are your leads blue? I couldn't use that site,there wasn't a listing for my car :/ 96 EK1 d16y4

HMMMM...

best calling up and just giving them your engine number etc. they'll probably recommend top gun leads but for an extra 20 bucks just go the NGK cos they got a rep.

Lukezen's got the NGK's as well yeah???

[beeza]

Cool.Cheers mate!

[B147ch]

Cool.Cheers mate!

s'all good..

see my old dyno? :P

need to see what its pulling now since i've slapped the headers on lol

[Weq]

meh.. whatev's..

so much confusion when ordering parts from overseas especially when matching with USDM civics..

It a pretty simple formula. Out Y1 is eqiv to a Z6. Y7 = Y4, Y8 = Y8. All the DOHCs are the same.

D's dont make 80kw without internal/cam change. All these mods ive seen dsicussed here;

headers
exhaust
intakes
leads

All they do is add bling and noise. You need an ECU to take advanatge of any of thee mods. Then the aim of the gain is to increase timing, lean it out a bit and tune it for 98+ron. But you arnt even going to make that much more power...

D-series NA is really really hard to do cheap on a budget without technical skills. First thing i would be doing is camshaft (zex 59300), ecu and cutting the bottom out of the airbox/SRI. With these mods, u will prolly pickup 10-15kw and the car will still sound/look stock. Maybe add a catback exhaust (2.25), but its going to add more noise then power.

From the discussion above re header types, its clearly evident that the OEM cast manifolds are basically as good as you will get.

[Lukezen27]

HMMMM...

best calling up and just giving them your engine number etc. they'll probably recommend top gun leads but for an extra 20 bucks just go the NGK cos they got a rep.

Lukezen's got the NGK's as well yeah???

Yup NGK's :)

[B147ch]

It a pretty simple formula. Out Y1 is eqiv to a Z6. Y7 = Y4, Y8 = Y8. All the DOHCs are the same.

D's dont make 80kw without internal/cam change. All these mods ive seen dsicussed here;

headers
exhaust
intakes
leads

All they do is add bling and noise. You need an ECU to take advanatge of any of thee mods. Then the aim of the gain is to increase timing, lean it out a bit and tune it for 98+ron. But you arnt even going to make that much more power...

D-series NA is really really hard to do cheap on a budget without technical skills. First thing i would be doing is camshaft (zex 59300), ecu and cutting the bottom out of the airbox/SRI. With these mods, u will prolly pickup 10-15kw and the car will still sound/look stock. Maybe add a catback exhaust (2.25), but its going to add more noise then power.

From the discussion above re header types, its clearly evident that the OEM cast manifolds are basically as good as you will get.

just the person i'd like to talk to...

that's my dyno up there, and i've got a before and after mod dyno sheet.. 109HP atw isnt possible without cam change?
the before dynoe'd in at 96HP atw..

either there was some cam work before i purchased my car or i'm just fukken dumb (dont quote plz!)

anywhoo.. do you think the whale penis is worth looking into??
Cos like i said i have the stock airbox and pipe - just replaced with K&N panel filter..

Also what ECU is worth looking into to take advantage of these mods??

[beeza]

s'all good..

see my old dyno? :P

need to see what its pulling now since i've slapped the headers on lol

Yeah man,do U know why the wonky line? Just curious as to why it's like that...

[B147ch]

Yeah man,do U know why the wonky line? Just curious as to why it's like that...

LOL it was snapped on my phone camera..

i can show u my plates on my car to match the dyno if you are that concerned!! :P

[beeza]

Nah man,I don't mean like that...I just meant it's not a smooth curve as such.I'm just learning how to read Dyno graphs so I was just wondering how you can make the line smooth. i.e.looks like the car needs something to get that curve smoother.

[B147ch]

Nah man,I don't mean like that...I just meant it's not a smooth curve as such.I'm just learning how to read Dyno graphs so I was just wondering how you can make the line smooth. i.e.looks like the car needs something to get that curve smoother.

hmmm...

What do u reckon it needs??

ideas are welcome!! :D

[beeza]

haha,dunno! anyone got any ideas?

[B147ch]

Screw zex camshafts, i read up on d series.org that its shithouse!

theyre all recommending the Crower camshafts. they have a nice range from stock to full race.

http://www.crower.com/misc/m_cat.shtml (turn to page 104)

for all you d16y1 boys, here's a product that should make you jizz in ya pants!

[SeverAMV]

hmmm...

What do u reckon it needs??

ideas are welcome!! :D

your curve seems rather lumpy...
could be a lot of things. easy things to check would be ignition (leads, plugs, timing), fuel system (any blockages - partial or full - messing with the fuel flow?), and last thing would be the ecu tune. seems like it could be feeding in diff levels of fuel at diff intervals.

crower cams are good, but if you're only looking for a regrind, send your cam over to bisimoto for a level 2.2 regrind (best duration and lift you can get from a regrind, especially if you cant afford a hard weld)

[B147ch]

thanks for that.

the other think i was thinking is that my apexi vtec and air flow controller may need to be adjusted also..?

[yuentinlon]

SO.... for my eg civic

i changed K & N pod filter

4-2-1 header

leads

and exedy 7lb light flywheel and whole clutch kit set



now... i am looking for a fuel computer like VTEC control or something

but what will be the price for install that one and tune that basically ?


i see that stage one cam already... but isnt it need a ECU tuning ?

[Lukezen27]

SO.... for my eg civic

i changed K & N pod filter

4-2-1 header

leads

and exedy 7lb light flywheel and whole clutch kit set



now... i am looking for a fuel computer like VTEC control or something

but what will be the price for install that one and tune that basically ?


i see that stage one cam already... but isnt it need a ECU tuning ?

Don't touch the VTec crossover point.

Honda has it set where is should be even after mods..

Adrian from TODA played with mine on the dyno a few weeks ago and we found that stock point was the best point..

You will however get some gains for a new ECU and tuning but I doubt they would be noticeable

[yuentinlon]

Don't touch the VTec crossover point.

Honda has it set where is should be even after mods..

Adrian from TODA played with mine on the dyno a few weeks ago and we found that stock point was the best point..

You will however get some gains for a new ECU and tuning but I doubt they would be noticeable

OK >.< thanks for that ... so is time to save some more for my D turbo , haha

[Lukezen27]

OK >.< thanks for that ... so is time to save some more for my D turbo , haha

If you can drive turbo? lol

[B147ch]

Don't touch the VTec crossover point.

Honda has it set where is should be even after mods..

Adrian from TODA played with mine on the dyno a few weeks ago and we found that stock point was the best point..

You will however get some gains for a new ECU and tuning but I doubt they would be noticeable

yeah BUT mines set to 5000rpm vtec crossover.. no drama's thus far..

...just added a fat stainless steel hi flow cat converter over the weekend yiewww!!

how much would a tune cost from adrian luke?

[B147ch]

crower cams are good, but if you're only looking for a regrind, send your cam over to bisimoto for a level 2.2 regrind (best duration and lift you can get from a regrind, especially if you cant afford a hard weld)

where's bisimoto located??

i wouldnt mind checkin them out for a regrind actually..

[Oxer]

dont mind me..

[bennjamin]

where's bisimoto located??

i wouldnt mind checkin them out for a regrind actually..

NEW: Facility/address (please note)



13933 Ramona Avenue, Suite D, Chino, CA 91710
909-464-1262
Mon. -Fri.: 10am-6pm (Pacific)

[beeza]

I'm thinking about swapping in a y8 and keeping it NA since it's going to be cheaper than a b to do and maintain and cheaper on petrol.It's just an idea I'm toying with atm...(if I had money I wouldn't just be talking...)

It's just something that will allow me to have some fun at the track.I currently have an d16y4 automatic so I can use some of my existing parts (hopefully the exhaust system...) and I know once I hit the track I will want manual.I plan to go to the track with the auto but I want to be prepared incase the gearbox or engine shit's itself.atm there's too much freeplay where the keyway is in the crank pulley.This is what I'm thinking:

d16y8 Block:
-Stock

d16y8 Head:
-Mild P&P and 3 angle valve job
-Crower Stage 2 Cam
-Crower Valve springs and retainers
-OEM Head Gasket

d16y8 Gearbox
-Stock

ECU:
-Stock with Greddy e-manage

Everything not listed is stock.I will try to find a low km's engine...

I will keep (I have):
-MSD ignition system
-X-Force 4-2-1 Headers,Intake
-AFPR
-Oil Catch Can
-Raizen High Voltage Grounding Kit
-Greddy e-manage

Costs:
-d16y8 engine + gearbox 400
-Mild P&P and 3 angle valve job 400?
-Crower Stage 2 Cam 400
-Crower Valve springs and retainers 100 (hopefully...I know someone)
-OEM Head Gasket 30
-MSD dizzy cap 60
-Tuning 300
-Labour 1000? (I would prefer to pay someone to do this)

Total = 2.7k

I was hoping for less than that but it's never the way is it...
I would keep/use my block but I got the problem of the free play in the keyway hole that might go after a track session so it would be better to swap it now I think.
So with this I get Vtec and manual gearbox.I am thinking 80kw.I would be happy with that.I don't want anymore power because I want to keep petrol costs down.I love the d-series engine,it's plenty for me.atm my y4 auto is 66kw and it's ok/fun,just need a little more torque/power and manual and I'm happy.And Vtec too.

Questions :) :
1. Can I use my y4 injectors on the y8?
2. Do I need an engineers cert.? $600?
3. With this set up,how much would you mill off the head.I know 0.010" or upto 0.040" for more compression.
4. Do I need to swap the radiator? my one has a cooler part on the bottom for the auto transmission.I can just inlet and outlet though.
5. Exhaust system - mine is 2" system with X-Force headers,high flow cat,resonator and X-force twin loop muffler.I want to keep costs down so I might try just to removing the resonator to promote more flow? I know it will be louder but it's that or spend $600+

[AKmotorworks]

Brettles, u probably already know what i think of that idea, but its not a good idea, the rod stretch u will see from constant revving of that D series is what will kill it.

The qn to ask is, after spending all that money and losing to a stock b, will it be worth it?

[beeza]

Thanks Andy!
Your knowledge is invalueble.
How the move going mate?

[Limbo]

use the money on a greddy kit

[kazam]

just a small update on me, i'm getting my gearbox rebuilt at the end of this year, plus ordering a Greddy kit :) I will have 5g's to play with in late Dec, early Jan, and I have to get a neew gbox, as this 1 is fudged, and since im going turbo, I may as well get it rebuilt and I'm going to seperatly buy a Exedy Heavy Duty clutch and have them install that instead of whatever they wanna put in it...

[tekung89]

sometimes its like saying, why work a D wen u can just swap a B, or why work a B wen u can jus swap in a K and this will continue. some people like challenging themselves within their budget, everyone can do a swap, taking ur time to building something ur satisfied with feels more rewarding.

[d15z1SUX]

yeh sometimes its hard to wait to be able to save up for a b series. ive been trying to and have just been failing.................... ):

[beeza]

Here's a great site with some great articles:
http://www.sohchonda.com/forums/

[lilcrx]

D16y1 or d16y8. They are the best. They have vtec yo, flow the most.. best aftermarket support as well. And all their parts are interchangeable with all other SOHC efi Dseries engines. (so if you blow up a gearbox or something similar ... bam lay down $300 for parts and labour and your back running again.

Some may say go the D16z8/zc.... because its twincam. But aftermarket support is shit, everything is uniquie in the Dohc d16 so close to nothing is interchangeable. Once the build on a zc is off the ground pretty much everything needs to be custom made or is expensive as.... and if thats the case.. may as well swap the b. Because lets face it, only reason to run the turbo d is for value.

usually the sohc doesnt rev as high but with a valve / camshaft / valve job / Pnp or whatever its easily possibly to be makeing power up to 8.5 to 9k. but at the end of the day dseries boxs have long gears (which is great for boost) so you dont really need to be makeing heaps of power at super high rpm.

my2c


thanks in advance

Regards Lyle


ps check out this thred. its been locked... but some good links and info

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67920



I got a crx Si if my motor was to blow up tomorrow (d16a) could i bolt up a
d16y to the standard gearbox btw got a honda concerto gearbox bolted u to the d16a so lets say

d16Y+Concerto box = work/doesnt work?

anyone help me thanks?

[dahon]

this thread kinda died...

[beeza]

Yeah!

It's like everyone wants to see the potential of the d unleashed but no one can be bothered doing it...and yes it is possible.The US have proved that time and time again.

No wants wants to be a leader,everybody needs to be led?

If I had money I would seek some great advice from the guys on here and build a nice little d with my money :)

[kazam]

I got a crx Si if my motor was to blow up tomorrow (d16a) could i bolt up a
d16y to the standard gearbox btw got a honda concerto gearbox bolted u to the d16a so lets say

d16Y+Concerto box = work/doesnt work?

anyone help me thanks?

yes im 98.62723736472762% sure that all D series gbox are interchangable

[dahon]

if only i had money.... gah

[beeza]

if only i had money.... gah

Meh,don't let it get ya down :thumbsup:

When I start feeling like that I instantly start thinking about other's life's and how they fight everyday to eat, then I get in my Civic and D-r-i-v-e :thumbsup:

[dahon]

hehehe yeh handling > engine for me... i jus love gunning corners/roundabouts =)

[beeza]

Ditto!!!

[d15z1SUX]

wonder if theres ne one else that has completed or has begun a d-series build?

[kazam]

i dont think ne1 can be fvcked, the amount of time money and effort spent getting a d-series somewhere, could be better spend buying a stock b18cR with probably more power loll that being said, im sticking loyal 2 the D and waiting 4 stupid dollar 2 stop butt fvckn itself so i can buy a greedy kit

[bennjamin]

problem is guys...there is little or no one that has a d series that is pulling great or even good times down the 1/4 , and track. There is only bisimoto the world over....and that is with a small fortune chucked at it. So until d series cars start getting the mods and times , you lot are kidding yourselves. Instead of stating a d can have similar power increase for x amount of mods , someone here prove it to us too !

[dahon]

lolz we had this chat at the start of this topic... yeh it sux about the d series, shes a awesome engine just yeah.. its more economical/practical to work on the b's...
but if i had a jdm d15b on the other hand...

[beeza]

problem is guys...there is little or no one that has a d series that is pulling great or even good times down the 1/4 , and track. There is only bisimoto the world over....and that is with a small fortune chucked at it. So until d series cars start getting the mods and times , you lot are kidding yourselves. Instead of stating a d can have similar power increase for x amount of mods , someone here prove it to us too !

Well I've just been looking through the 1/4 mile times on d-series.org here (http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2447&highlight=1%2F4+mile+times) and the times are between 14.5 and 16.5 seconds on adverage.In a b18c7,your looking at mid 14's stock right?

If this is correct then (as usual ;) ) you are correct.

Taken from the same thread-

"Anyone in the 13's on this board? I've seen with my eyes, a 88' HF: D16A with ZC pistons, stock Y8 head, I/H/E, VAFC and AEM cam gear go 13.20's at 99mph on BFG's. Hard to believe but trust me, seeing is believing.

Sam"

[d15z1SUX]

so thats using drag radials i suppose and probably stripped to the max... hehe.

[SeverAMV]

on the onecamonly.com boards, SOHCinWA manages a 13.95 second pass with full interior, and theres an EG using a stock d15b motor with minor intake and exhaust mods running in the 13s (stripped out of course).

im just waiting for a throttle linkage so i can finally get around to fitting my twin dcoe40 carbs to my d15b.

modifying a d series all depends on what you consider a small fortune. bisimoto's first d series build was a street legal crx i believe that ran 12s with only $3000 put into it (using drag radials).

altho right now, considering the state of the australian economy, its getting more expensive to import parts from america, im lucky i managed to get most of the parts for my build before the economy died.

[Lukezen27]

The cheapest way to a bit more power on D's would be....

Zex 59300 cam and spring/retainers tuned with Hondata

[beeza]

And if it's a y4 (non Vtec) go for a bisimoto re-grind cam,springs and retainers and tune with greddy e-manage.

[Lukezen27]

And if it's a y4 (non Vtec) go for a bisimoto re-grind cam,springs and retainers and tune with greddy e-manage.

But!

You can't change the rev limiter with E-manage Blue

So has to be Hondata

[[ricer]]

hondata on a y4 is so not worth the trouble

greddy it will have to be...

[Lukezen27]

;1967082']hondata on a y4 is so not worth the trouble

greddy it will have to be...

Hmm

So you buy cam and so on to rev higher but e-mange won't let you change the shock rev limiter is whats the point?

[beeza]

Hondata won't work on a automatic either (not that anyone has an auto except me :) hehehe)

[Lukezen27]

Hondata won't work on a automatic either (not that anyone has an auto except me :) hehehe)

lol beeza

Nuff said

[[ricer]]

how about greddy emanage ultimate? can that adjust rev limiter? im assuming you're referring to greddy emanage blue

[Lukezen27]

;1967098']how about greddy emanage ultimate? can that adjust rev limiter? im assuming you're referring to greddy emanage blue

Yeah ultimate dose but it costs more than hondata

[beeza]

lol beeza

Nuff said

haha yeah,didn't know sh!t about cars when I bought it 3 years ago :)

[Lukezen27]

haha yeah,didn't know sh!t about cars when I bought it 3 years ago :)

Oh to time travel back to tell yourself Manual manual manual!!!!

[EG5[KRT]]

akmee cam is not too bad.. pretty cheap for whole setup.. i ran 16.1 on my y1.. but nothing to brag about...

[beeza]

hahaha yeah :)

The auto suits me as I just cruise locally all the time and I'm lazy :) but I'm so sick of not being able to launch!

I've tried so many ways but it's bloody hard not to have the car bog a bit.That's why I decided to circuit race! :)

[SeverAMV]

raising the limiter on a d series is generally pointless if all you've done is swapped a cam. single cams give a wider power band, twin cams shift the power band higher in the rev range. as long as you can get your d to 7500rpm or 8000rpm, you wont need to rev higher, because it wont make power any higher.

i've got a stage 2 bisi regrind, and the main advantage of the cam was that my powerband goes from 3500rpm to 7500rpm. i've dyno'd it to 8000rpm, and it didnt make any more power. i'd push harder, but then i'd need a new tacho.

[bennjamin]

Well I've just been looking through the 1/4 mile times on d-series.org here (http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2447&highlight=1%2F4+mile+times) and the times are between 14.5 and 16.5 seconds on adverage.In a b18c7,your looking at mid 14's stock right?

If this is correct then (as usual ;) ) you are correct.

Taken from the same thread-

"Anyone in the 13's on this board? I've seen with my eyes, a 88' HF: D16A with ZC pistons, stock Y8 head, I/H/E, VAFC and AEM cam gear go 13.20's at 99mph on BFG's. Hard to believe but trust me, seeing is believing.

Sam"

thats just the thing....a dead stock b18c7 in for example a EG hatch , is low 14's to high 13's. No modifications at all. (i am currently at 13.8@103mph) - you will never get a stock d series engine taking any car to that level , stock. Sure with a lighter shell (gen 2 crx is almost 100kg lighter than the eg hatch) a d series with mild work will pull ok times (high to mid 14's on good tyres) - The plain fact is you need more work and more money into a D to make it quick :)

[AKmotorworks]

Brettles, there is no better mod than seat time, you will be surprised how many highly modified cars go out there and set disappointing (to the owner) times.

Stop reading here and get out there and have a go, you will learn as you go which mods are best for you.

[kazam]

thats just the thing....a dead stock b18c7 in for example a EG hatch , is low 14's to high 13's. No modifications at all. (i am currently at 13.8@103mph) - you will never get a stock d series engine taking any car to that level , stock. Sure with a lighter shell (gen 2 crx is almost 100kg lighter than the eg hatch) a d series with mild work will pull ok times (high to mid 14's on good tyres) - The plain fact is you need more work and more money into a D to make it quick :)

dude y are u arguing this point, WE ALL NO IT, no1 is disagreeeing with u sweetheart of course B > Dseries but turbo > B but still people would rather spend 10,000 installing a b18cr wen a D16-T could run a VERY similar time with a bolt on greedy kit bought off ebay for 2g's and DIY backyard job lol

[beeza]

Wow! your in the 13's now benny,well done!!

Any mods to the eg? stripped?

I did Andy :)

I got 19 seconds...auto sux for the 1/4 :)

And,I am hanging to get circuit racing,just gotta few things to do yet.Patience is a virtue hehehe

[Lukezen27]

Wow! your in the 13's now benny,well done!!

Any mods to the eg? stripped?

I did Andy :)

I got 19 seconds...auto sux for the 1/4 :)

And,I am hanging to get circuit racing,just gotta few things to do yet.Patience is a virtue hehehe


Ben un-stripped his car and got better times :p

[beeza]

What the???

[xtercii]

dude y are u arguing this point, WE ALL NO IT, no1 is disagreeeing with u sweetheart of course B > Dseries but turbo > B but still people would rather spend 10,000 installing a b18cr wen a D16-T could run a VERY similar time with a bolt on greedy kit bought off ebay for 2g's and DIY backyard job lol

Which turbo D is running similar time to B18cR swapped civics on ozhonda? By comparing within this forum, quite few ppl running high 13/low 14 with b18cR while all the turbo D I see is stuck at mid to high 14s...

[Lukezen27]

Which turbo D is running similar time to B18cR swapped civics on ozhonda? By comparing within this forum, quite few ppl running high 13/low 14 with b18cR while all the turbo D I see is stuck at mid to high 14s...

Yeah I'm stuck at 14.5 but that's just my setup..

Wait till LSD is installed that's the main porblem with Boosted D's IMO

[bennjamin]

What the???

yup i proved a point......stripping the interior has little or no effect on 1/4 mile times. Its around 20kg or so all up for rear seats parcel tray and passenger seat. All i did was drive a tiny bit harder and boom that was .2 off the 1/4 lol. More to come :)



Anyway. I love old D's. I would ADORE to see a old gen 2 crx or older civic with a d16a8 running lumy cams , carby conversion or quad throttle and 13 inch dish rims. Hot.

[beeza]

But wouldn't you drive the hardest all the time at the 1/4?

[bennjamin]

you get better at things with practice - rev each gear out more shift better/faster launch differntley etc. My point is with a bit more practice i will probably see mid 13's on a stock engine with full interior on real road tyres. It would be nice lol

[Sexc86]

Which turbo D is running similar time to B18cR swapped civics on ozhonda? By comparing within this forum, quite few ppl running high 13/low 14 with b18cR while all the turbo D I see is stuck at mid to high 14s...



Just because no-one has done it on ozhonda doesnt mean its not possible. There is no reason why people cant used Turbo D16s in the usa as examples. All the same variables apply

[bennjamin]

then do it guys !
lets see some d series builds out there at teh track and 1/4 :)

[eg5civic]

speaking of d series.... i think i smashed something in my gearbox.... the engines still fine...

d series wont die.... it lives on no matter what

NOw car makes a loud hollow clunking/ticking sound around 4000rpm then goes away
loud around corners too

Btw wasnt doing burnouts or anything.. i dropped down to second hit round 7k getting onto highway hit 3rd backed off and heard it... revved it in neutral and its fine

so i'm assuming gearbox or cv's.....

[Lukezen27]

I seem to be the only one rep's the Boosted D's at the 1/4 mile WTF!

[myztery]

I seem to be the only one rep's the Boosted D's at the 1/4 mile WTF!

ill be there soon reppin dz

[beeza]

WHOA!!! 155KW!! MAD!!

Have U got a build thread I can check out? :)

[myztery]

WHOA!!! 155KW!! MAD!!

Have U got a build thread I can check out? :)

ye its in forced inductionhttp://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100952

[beeza]

Wicked.Thanks mate!

EDIT: Great story and engine!

Can't wait to see what a cam will do.

[myztery]

Wicked.Thanks mate!

EDIT: Great story and engine!

Can't wait to see what a cam will do.

i cant wait either more scared than ever...lol

[myztery]

Which turbo D is running similar time to B18cR swapped civics on ozhonda? By comparing within this forum, quite few ppl running high 13/low 14 with b18cR while all the turbo D I see is stuck at mid to high 14s...

challenge accepted!!!

[xtercii]

then do it guys !
lets see some d series builds out there at teh track and 1/4 :)

exactly what I mean, do it and prove it, until then don't talk big...

there are guys in the states running 12s on stockish b18cr are we gonna compare that to your turbo Ds as well? where do you stop and where do u draw the line?

make ur life easier and compare on this forum, at least we know what we got and how we run it...

[Lukezen27]

challenge accepted!!!

I’m afraid you’ve already failed the challenge….

You spent way too much and modified your internals!

The challenge and question has and will always be!!!!!

DOHC swap or boost the D on a budget..

[xtercii]

I don't think there are challenges, I am just happy to see ppl run fast times regardless what they have...

[Lukezen27]

I don't think there are challenges, I am just happy to see ppl run fast times regardless what they have...

Don't get me wrong I love all Honda's as all the hates should too..

And I don't think there should be any comparisons but there always will be…

Anyway when I’m cruising at 80K and hit it hard boost rocks but out of the gate on the ¼ mile so far it sucks

[xtercii]

just try your best and make it happen...

[bennjamin]

just try your best and make it happen...


exactly right Jing.

Too many people talking crap on this forum not enough people taking the car out and having a go.....look at ANY Ozhonda WSID event. 10-20 people show interest yet only 2-6 ever turn up. FFS grow some balls guys and get out and run its fun !

[myztery]

I’m afraid you’ve already failed the challenge….

You spent way too much and modified your internals!

The challenge and question has and will always be!!!!!

DOHC swap or boost the D on a budget..

i did do it at a budget, most of the work done by friends and motor was pre-built...

[kazam]

u have weq's old engine dont u?

[Lukezen27]

i did do it at a budget, most of the work done by friends and motor was pre-built...

Still cheating IMO :p

WEQ spent $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on that motor

[myztery]

i really don't know why people argue so much over twin cam single cam, b20, k24, b18,yada yada yada

its like a bunch of girls..( not trying to be sexist )...
we should be happy that we support the "H" symbol dnt matter what motoris in it

appreciate whats available and make the most of it... thats what i believe

[myztery]

Still cheating IMO :p

WEQ spent $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on that motor

ye i know but it wasnt me like i said i spent according to my budget

[myztery]

u have weq's old engine dont u?

yes and no

his internals my block and my head

[kazam]

lol that shit wasn't dun on a budget lol

[myztery]

lol that shit wasn't dun on a budget lol

when i built it it was... lol my budget...

whats all this about again its going off topic

[bennjamin]

anyway just run ffs.

[beeza]

Totally.So much tension in the air lately.Lets just all be happy for each other's accomplishments.

ALL THIS JUDGEING ON OTHER'S NEEDS TO STOP.

[Sexc86]

I seem to be the only one rep's the Boosted D's at the 1/4 mile WTF!


excuse me luke?

[A.C.S DRAG]

yeah sorry guys and girls, ill be out there soon as i apply my finishing touches, i dont want to go out the and just match my motors previous time, i need to go out there and smash it! many things have changed on the car so should be a good run.

[myztery]

ye excuse him luke....hahahaha

[Alexx]

yeah sorry guys and girls, ill be out there soon as i apply my finishing touches, i dont want to go out the and just match my motors previous time, i need to go out there and smash it! many things have changed on the car so should be a good run.

**** yea. This car will shut all the d series haters up :thumbsup: Cant wait to see what it can do now.

I have never felt as scared in my life as i did in this car. Being in the passenger seat and having no control...way more fun than my mates gtr ;)

[Lukezen27]

excuse me luke?

I know your rock'n the boosted D Lyle but have to been to the 1/4 Mile to rep?

[myztery]

**** yea. This car will shut all the d series haters up :thumbsup: Cant wait to see what it can do now.

I have never felt as scared in my life as i did in this car. Being in the passenger seat and having no control...way more fun than my mates gtr ;)

is there a thread of the build

[Sexc86]

ummm... yes

I have about 30 time slips sitting right here

[Sexc86]

myztery - check out www.crxaustralia.com... he owns it!

[myztery]

myztery - check out www.crxaustralia.com... he owns it!

cheers bro im gonna get out now cos there gonna be a black eye soon from yous guys...hahaha

[Lukezen27]

ummm... yes

I have about 30 time slips sitting right here

My bad sorry Lyle

Thought she was still in the build faze

[A.C.S DRAG]

is there a thread of the build

Sorry no build thread, i started my car long before Ozhonda formed. heres my mod list though. still more bits to go! i roam the streets at 21psi, when i hit the track it's cranked to 30, but when i put my drag exhuast on will probably get up to 32 :)

Engine:
D16A8
Turbonetics T3/T4 turbocharger
Turbonetics wastegate
Custom Intercooler
Blitz DD Bov
Crower Rods
Lower comp/oversize Arias Pistons
ported and polished head
Custom block brace
Decked, honed, sleeved, cc'd o-ringed block
lightened fly wheel
Clutch Specialties Hyperclutch
Phantom Grip LSD
Custom 3 inch mandrel bent exhaust system
Walbro fuel pump
440cc injectors
Sard fuel pressure regulator

Interior:
Recaro Sport DC Suede with arista blue seats x 2
12" Momo steering wheel
Razo pedals
OEM Integra type r Gear knob
Dc SPorts short shifter
Blitz Boost gauge
Integra type r instrument cluster
91 model cluster surround
Cusco 4 point roll cage

Suspension:
Buddy Club Racing Spec dampers
Spoon front strut brace
Cusco carbon rear strut brace
ESP traction bar
ESP rear tie bar

Exterior:
Cyber pro 2 body kit with modified front bar
Carbon fiber hood
Carbon fiber sunroof
Carbon fiber side mirrors
Black Gen 2 projector headlights
Black 91 model parkers
Black bumper lenses
Black side markers
91 model rear tails
Resprayed in Blue Stratos
CRUIZE 8000k Hid kit.

Rolling Stock:
17" Gun Metal Buddy Club P1 sf
Falken Azenis rt-615's
Brembo Rotors(262mm front and rear)
Integra Calipers
Endless CCX pads
Skunk2 wheel nuts

Audio/Electronics:
Sony headunit
Daimond audio 6-4-1 splits
Microtech Mt-8 ECU
Blitz Fatt Dc2 Dual Turbo Timer
Greddy electroinc boost controller
Autometer 12 led shift light, (red leds have been changed to blue)

[Lukezen27]

Nice

What's your motor though?

Did the work yourself?

[myztery]

Sorry no build thread, i started my car long before Ozhonda formed. heres my mod list though. still more bits to go! i roam the streets at 21psi, when i hit the track it's cranked to 30, but when i put my drag exhuast on will probably get up to 32 :)

Engine:
Turbonetics T3/T4 turbocharger
Turbonetics wastegate
Custom Intercooler
Blitz DD Bov
Crower Rods
Lower comp/oversize Arias Pistons
ported and polished head
Custom block brace
Decked, honed, sleeved, cc'd o-ringed block
lightened fly wheel
Clutch Specialties Hyperclutch
Phantom Grip LSD
Custom 3 inch mandrel bent exhaust system
Walbro fuel pump
440cc injectors
Sard fuel pressure regulator

Interior:
Recaro Sport DC Suede with arista blue seats x 2
12" Momo steering wheel
Razo pedals
OEM Integra type r Gear knob
Dc SPorts short shifter
Blitz Boost gauge
Integra type r instrument cluster
91 model cluster surround
Cusco 4 point roll cage

Suspension:
Buddy Club Racing Spec dampers
Spoon front strut brace
Cusco carbon rear strut brace
ESP traction bar
ESP rear tie bar

Exterior:
Cyber pro 2 body kit with modified front bar
Carbon fiber hood
Carbon fiber sunroof
Carbon fiber side mirrors
Black Gen 2 projector headlights
Black 91 model parkers
Black bumper lenses
Black side markers
91 model rear tails
Resprayed in Blue Stratos
CRUIZE 8000k Hid kit.

Rolling Stock:
17" Gun Metal Buddy Club P1 sf
Falken Azenis rt-615's
Brembo Rotors(262mm front and rear)
Integra Calipers
Endless CCX pads
Skunk2 wheel nuts

Audio/Electronics:
Sony headunit
Daimond audio 6-4-1 splits
Microtech Mt-8 ECU
Blitz Fatt Dc2 Dual Turbo Timer
Greddy electroinc boost controller
Autometer 12 led shift light, (red leds have been changed to blue)

pretty wicked it would be cool to see some pics

[A.C.S DRAG]

D16A8 standard australian delivered motor for ED9 CRX.

My brother did all the work on it, many late nights in his garage.

http://www.redpepperracing.com/gallery/d/219540-1/IMG_3610.JPG

[Lukezen27]

D16A8 standard australian delivered motor for ED9 CRX.

My brother did all the work on it, many late nights in his garage.

Nice

DOHC Non VTec yeah?

[A.C.S DRAG]

Yeah thats the one.

[bennjamin]

ummm... yes

I have about 30 time slips sitting right here

post up an gloat ! We need to get some reppin from you guys to influence anything if at all.

[Sexc86]

all my time slips are 14s / 15s

best time to date is 14.5 @ 100MPH 2.3 60foot 105 wkw full street trim & excess wight, 19" wheels etc, ruined clutch. (photo of slip on my build thred)

I am not saying this is anything special but i am deffinately not a person who talks crap and doesnt race.

http://i34.tinypic.com/2en7r6a.jpg

[Benson]

Decent time for a heavy car

[beeza]

Very impressive A.C.S DRAG,any engine bay pics,more car shots plz :)

[A.C.S DRAG]

full photoshoot coming soon by mr chris f himself, all will be revealed then. :)

[beeza]

Oh MADNESS!!!!

Cheers mate.

Vids too??? :)

[A.C.S DRAG]

yeah im wokriong on that as well.

[beeza]

Nice.

[d15z1SUX]

bump... :)

[tjsauce]

wat should i do i have a d16a8 dohc turbo it or b16a vtec i have a bugdet of 3k.thanks

[Lukezen27]

wat should i do i have a d16a8 dohc turbo it or b16a vtec i have a bugdet of 3k.thanks

I just blow up my SOHC VTec turbo and just brought a B16A

The B16A was $3k before anything is even done lol

[[ricer]]

I just blow up my SOHC VTec turbo and just brought a B16A

The B16A was $3k before anything is even done lol

is that a whole half cut?

[Lukezen27]

;2110779']is that a whole half cut?

Nope

90,000 only though and odb1 so its plug & play and messing round

[sPoOnD_]

is this set up reliable?

D16A8 1.6 Twin Cam
- Garrett T28 Turbo
- Bosch 550cc Injectors
- Custom Turbo Manifold
- Custom 21/2" Exhaust from Turbo
- High flow CAT
- Haltech Engine Management System
- Apexi Intake
- HKS SQV Blowoff Valve
- Evo 3 Intercooler

[Lukezen27]

is this set up reliable?

D16A8 1.6 Twin Cam
- Garrett T28 Turbo
- Bosch 550cc Injectors
- Custom Turbo Manifold
- Custom 21/2" Exhaust from Turbo
- High flow CAT
- Haltech Engine Management System
- Apexi Intake
- HKS SQV Blowoff Valve
- Evo 3 Intercooler

Compared to what?

[JasonGilholme]

is this set up reliable?

D16A8 1.6 Twin Cam
- Garrett T28 Turbo
- Bosch 550cc Injectors
- Custom Turbo Manifold
- Custom 21/2" Exhaust from Turbo
- High flow CAT
- Haltech Engine Management System
- Apexi Intake
- HKS SQV Blowoff Valve
- Evo 3 Intercooler


Custom manifold could be your weak link. maybe find a fabricated manifold from the states that has gaurentee's not to crack. etc

The rest looks ok. its just a parts list though. comes down to tuning and how you drive the car when you talk about reliability.

yes those parts will give you boost, but theres no way you can tell reliability until you see the tune and the quality of the driver.

[sPoOnD_]

wld a low compression n bigger fuel pump be beta?

[beeza]

wld a low compression n bigger fuel pump be beta?

mbe..

Can't tell you how annoying that writing is.

[SeverAMV]

if your d16a8 has a 75mm bore (i think it should) then you can use suzuki grand vitara pistons. due to the negative dome in the centre, it contains the mixture where it will receive the greatest spark, and relieves stress from your rings. but low compression will kill your bottom end and your spool times. (www.fjdistributors.com sells a bottom end turbo rebuild kit, as well as a turbo kit)

[JasonGilholme]

keep the stock compression. don't change it unless you wanna run lots of boost (ie 20+)

the only thing that will make your setup reliable is the tune. you can have the best parts in the world but if you have a shit tune it will fall to pieces.

like i said before, your parts list will give you boost, but your tuning will give you reliability.

[beeza]

So that plus I/E,ECU,Tune and anything else?

[beeza]

What a great old thread aye!?

Needs to be revived because Andy @ AKMotorworks now distributes Bisimoto's products,Oh yes,time to get those d-series moving with a stage 2 camshaft!

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123165&highlight=bisimoto

[d15z1SUX]

^^ i always wanted to do that, but dont have a d ne more

[beeza]

I always wanted to do it too,then saved up for ages and bought a b18c,ran out of money to put it in,so I'm gonna do this instead!

Stage 2 camshaft and get it tuned with greddy emanage.

D-SERIES YO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Riced_Civic]

yo brett nice to see ur getting to mod again, sad to hear u had to get rid of the B series. stick with the D and boost it.

i cant wait to get my motor built i just need to start saving.

[beeza]

Hi Danny!

Yeah,the plans for the b18c fell through due to lack of money but I'm hoping to do this nice increase in power to keep me happy!

I dont wanna boost,I love NA aye :)

I figured out how to calibrate the voltage on the TPS correctly and done it,now my car runs so well!

Here's the DIY I done on it,if only other's on here new what a difference having your TPS calibrated makes,it's not so easy to tell them..

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2476685#post2476685

Money is getting tight for everyone,time to get smart about the decisions we are making.

Money money money!

How's your car runnin'?

[beeza]

So the stage 2 cam,you need springs and retainers and a tune.But the stage 1 cam needs nothing.

I might just do that.

http://bisimoto.net/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3_9_31_32&sort=20a&page=2

[Riced_Civic]

nar man go for stage 2 as the gains will be much better than 1.

when u get stage 1 ull feel like its wasnt worth the money for the gains u get.

[beeza]

I was thinking the same thing,it would be worth the extra aye.

I was up till 3am last contemplating the choice between a stock b18c2 or my d16y4 auto with I/H/E and stage 2 camshaft.

It's a great question! It had me up late :)

The thing is,yeah the b18c2 has more power,has vtec etc but I could imagine driving the y4 with a stage 2 cam would be fun.And at the end of the day,it's about fun,not about power.

I have 2 points on my licience,so I certainly dont need more power,but more fun,I can ALWAYS do!

I have been in a b18c2 also.

[beeza]

I've been reading up on the stage 1 and stage 2 camshafts.

Maybe you can run the stage 2 cam without touching the valve train?

http://www.d-series.org/forums/naturally-aspirated/110452-bisimoto-stage-1-delta272.html

[destrukshn]

Custom manifold could be your weak link. maybe find a fabricated manifold from the states that has gaurentee's not to crack. etc

The rest looks ok. its just a parts list though. comes down to tuning and how you drive the car when you talk about reliability.

yes those parts will give you boost, but theres no way you can tell reliability until you see the tune and the quality of the driver.
it could.
depends who it's made by.
my manifold is custom, made of steam pipe, and comes with a lifetime warranty.

[Riced_Civic]

i think if u got stage 2 or 3 u can get it to feel like or even a tiny incy little bit better than a B18

[beeza]

It just sounds like it would be funnerer than a stock B18C.

[90LAN]

i think if u got stage 2 or 3 u can get it to feel like or even a tiny incy little bit better than a B18


so its going to add a odd 30kw and .200cc on top
compare to the b18c to the d 16
just with cams

that will be amazing will do that to my d series if it is true

do you need a ecu to tune the stage 2 cams too breeza

and been auto would not be as fun as a manual
doing these mods to it

[beeza]

I love the auto and if I did put the B18C in,I would get an auto gearbox for it.

Bisi recommends to get a tune with the stage 2 cam,for my y4,greddy emanage is the best solution.

[GSi_PSi]

B18C with auto box? that would just defeat the purpose. I seriously dunoo how you can mod a honda performance wise automatic. Its just boring. Spending on cams for a auto D16 would be a waste of money, but each to their own i guessssssss

[Riced_Civic]

so its going to add a odd 30kw and .200cc on top
compare to the b18c to the d 16
just with cams

that will be amazing will do that to my d series if it is true

do you need a ecu to tune the stage 2 cams too breeza

and been auto would not be as fun as a manual
doing these mods to it

i dunno im just taking a guess as i dont know much about em

[Killa From Manila]

would an auto y4 with cams be quicker than a manual y4 same mods minus the cams?

[beeza]

B18C with auto box? that would just defeat the purpose. I seriously dunoo how you can mod a honda performance wise automatic. Its just boring. Spending on cams for a auto D16 would be a waste of money, but each to their own i guessssssss

So opinionated :D

hehe,nah I have just grown with my car,with the auto gearbox.Since I Calibrated the voltage on the TPS (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2476685#post2476685) the car FREELY REVS.Just Brilliant.

Have you calibrated your TPS :p

Hmmm,great question.

Having the TPS calibrated could be the deciding factor!

[GSi_PSi]

the feel of a manual cant be compared with an auto, you dont have any control of how fast u shift with an auto , you cant launch your car , no double clutching, no rev matching etc

[90LAN]

its night and day breeza with honda transmissions
manual compared to the auto

[tiksie]

Auto's are warm and Manual's are cool ?

[bennjamin]

auto gearbox is quite more complicated , takes more engine power to rotate , weighs more and will not make the same peak power as a manual gearbox.

but if you are lazy and cant be bothered shifting its great !

[beeza]

the feel of a manual cant be compared with an auto, you dont have any control of how fast u shift with an auto , you cant launch your car , no double clutching, no rev matching etc

Nope,ya can't do any of that but I have certainly learnt to control the acceleration/gear changes to some degree,you can never fully control it but I was never one to control something,more one who goes with the flow! :p

The auto has just grown on me,I truely love it.But that's mostly after calibrating the voltage on the TPS!

It gave me acceleration back :thumbsup:

[90LAN]

hahah breeza imagine if you had a manual with the b18c
how much you would enjoy it then
and when you calibrate the voltage on the tps

your half way there just need to install it but

still interested to see what the stage 2 cams would make on the d series

[beeza]

I was up till 3am contemplating either a b18c stock or a cam in the d.

I decided a cam in the d.

I'm over spending money on my car.It came down to a decision of lifestyle or a faster car.With a lack of money,2 points left and too many police out there.

I'm not even that psyched to do the cam,but I will just go for a stage 1 cam for $400.Bugger spending $1200.That's with valvetrain upgrade and tune.

Stage 1 it is!

[will13]

Anyone here working a d16y1 that ISNT going turbo, that wants to help me with mine? lol

[beeza]

I just ordered the stage 1 bisi cam.No valvetrain upgrade needed or tune.Just drop it in and reset the ECU.

I will be happy with that.

[GSi_PSi]

how much kw gain we lookin

[beeza]

10% bisi says,so 7kws on my car.

It`s not so much the power gain,more having a slightly aggressive cam for a bit of fun/change.It`s a cheap option for that.I didn`t want to spend $1200 or so for the stage 2 cam,valvetrain upgrade and tune.

Just trying to have a bit of fun :)

[beeza]

Bisi's 700hp d16z!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAl180zN3Z0)

[Riced_Civic]

DAMN!!!! i want my car to have that much power.

nice find brett. i can c y ur gettin excited about the bisi cam shaft that sounds awesome.

[beeza]

Yes and No,might lose my lcence real quick with it lol

[Sexc86]

man ****in awsome. No dizzy either! Pitty you dont see the beast in action.

[ALLMTR996]

D16Y8 fitted in Honda GA2 City it was a shitbox setup as fatboyz39 said made 75kwATW then HEAPS of problems where found with wiring after fitting a V44 Vi-PEC ECU ,injectors where OBD0 fuel pressure reg was stuffed as car would not start hot as pressure would go over 120psi,wiring was still in batch fire + heaps of other problems.Engine now makes 99.2kw with all the problems fixed using Hondata as the ECU and 2000 ITR Injectors fitted with a new Walbro fuel pump.
List of mods that we know of as it was built by someone else we have just had the head off to fix a head gasket problem
D16Y8 block
STD rods
P29 STD bore pistons

D16Y8 Head
Minor port clean up
STD Valves
STD D16Y8 Cam
Aftermarket valve springs
P08 intake manifold
B16a TB
B20 Intake arm with POD Filter
Cheap 4-2-1 headers
Crush bent 2" exhaust

Next time I am at the dyno I will grab the sheet and post it up.

[beeza]

Nice!

Is that with the stock cam?

Is the p08 the biggest stock IM in the d-series?

[ALLMTR996]

P08 maniifold is not the biggest but it makes the best power with the STD cam so far.

[beeza]

I see.Will U upgrade the cam in the future or is the plan to stick with the stock cam?

Were the gaskets replaced aswell when it was apart,I guess they were where needed.

I Love the d-series engine and I wish I could modify my engine more but too many cops,will lose my licence quickly.

I love what bisi does with the d,who couldn't.It's truely amazing to all the things he has accomplised with a SOHC engine.

Honda.

That 700hp d-series above is 387kw's.

387kw's!!!!!!!!

From a d.A d-series turbo.

Come on!!!!!

[ALLMTR996]

I really dont know what the plans are for the engine package that is in the car now I do know there is another D16Y8 on the engine stand and a head that has been on the porting bench for a month now and everytime I look at it more and more porting is done to it,I have also seen a set of 76mm PG6 pistons there and a set of B18A rods that where modified to suit a D series crank and pistons :D

[Sexc86]

what size capacity does the 76mm pistons take out the engine with factory rods?

[ALLMTR996]

what size capacity does the 76mm pistons take out the engine with factory rods?

1633.1cc with a 12.94 to 1 comp ratio that is before the CNC combustion chamber work and the larger valve reliefs done in the pistons.

[beeza]

I really dont know what the plans are for the engine package that is in the car now I do know there is another D16Y8 on the engine stand and a head that has been on the porting bench for a month now and everytime I look at it more and more porting is done to it,I have also seen a set of 76mm PG6 pistons there and a set of B18A rods that where modified to suit a D series crank and pistons :D

Mmmm,that makes me feel nice :D

[ALLMTR996]

Mmmm,that makes me feel nice :D

There is life in the D series yet in Australia I know the guy building this setup has been in contact with Robert@Bisimoto so who knows what is going to happen in the new year.

[beeza]

I know I know,I mean,bisi has proven the incredible potential in the SOHC.It's only a matter of time before someone here does it.

I've never driven a b-series,I know I would love it.I know I love the d.

I wish the scene was established here like in the US,everyone helping each other and getting there rides done,on the cheap!

[Riced_Civic]

im goin bisi head when i get my motor built, those things sound crazy.

[TODA AU]

Yo, D-series heads.... Wake up!

Even when you do manage to polish a turd & it ends up really fast...
At the end of the day, it's still shit.
http://rlv.zcache.com/follow_me_im_the_pied_piper_t_shirt-p235763674891414106qw9y_400.jpg

This thread is too funny.... :p

(Don't take offence... post is in jest)

[beeza]

No Offence Taken :)

I Love the fact that I get great pleasure out of something that is shit to someone then hehe

[Riced_Civic]

yeah, i have no other option in building up this motor or swapping in a K series,
only reason is that i find it more easier on the funds this way.
its also gonna be great when i kill people on the track and they just find out its a D-series
so i dont really take offence to d-series shit talk.

[Sexc86]

Yo, D-series heads.... Wake up!

Even when you do manage to polish a turd & it ends up really fast...
At the end of the day, it's still shit.
http://rlv.zcache.com/follow_me_im_the_pied_piper_t_shirt-p235763674891414106qw9y_400.jpg

This thread is too funny.... :p

(Don't take offence... post is in jest)



With that sort of attitude you could say... why spend 20k + on a Kseries engine conversions on a FWD 15 year old 5k Honda civic... At the end of the day its still a civic. Ment for grocery shopping

[GSi_PSi]

i think he means there is no point of d series all motor .... just for dreamers, waste of money and time

[bennjamin]

i too thought the idea of building a D series. (d16a8) - had wet dreams about quad throttle bodies , big cams etc.

I grew out of it after driving in a dead standard ITR and getting back in my 96kw slug of a car. D series was the fore-runner to the B16a...and thus the world of high revving strong 1.8-2.0 honda engines.
That is , the d16a8 ( ZC) was the ONLY d series engine ever worth considering for anything. All other D series engines were always designed to pull around small cars for shopping or commuting

[Sexc86]

with all due respect, i think you should read adrians post and then my reply to it again. I dont disagree with either of you. i am saying if someone cannot justify wasteing money on a d16... then how can they justify dumping shitloads of money into any 15 year old civic/crx/intega.... at the end of the day thats all they will be.... or a "polished turd" haha

[bennjamin]

with all due respect, i think you should read adrians post and then my reply to it again. I dont disagree with either of you. i am saying if someone cannot justify with wasteing money on a d16... then how can they justify dumping shitloads of money into any 15 year old civic/crx/intega.... at the end of the day thats all they will be.... or a "polished turd" haha


Its not the cover that is important...its the power within :)
Engine is totally different to the body of the car itself - this topic is in regards to performance , longevity , reliability and bang for buck.

[Sexc86]

Here is what i see. In MY opinion. 2 ways of thinking are going on at the moment

Adrian
"Even when you do manage to polish a turd & it ends up really fast...At the end of the day, it's still shit."

Ben
"Its not the cover that is important...its the power within"

By the way of thinking couldnt you say, if a car is fast, who cares if its running a d16, "its not the cover that is important... its the power within" I completely agree, however i believe adrian contradicts this by lableing something as a polished turd purely based on a engine number.. not on the power it produces.

Dont get my wrong im sure you all have your own professional opinions. But i find it strange that you both seem to be "batting on the same team" yet your making statements that are contradicting each other.

[beeza]

The guys in the US know how to build d's!

We don't here,but this next year will be big for the d!

Years go by and the old d still delivers!

I've never lost faith in the power a SOHC engine puts out.

It comes down to knowledge and money,but the d is cheap to build and a TONNE of power can be extracted from it!

bisi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAl180zN3Z0) just got 388kw out of his SOHC turbo'ed d16z.Not too shabby eh

[TODA AU]

The guys in the US know how to build d's!

We don't here,but this next year will be big for the d!

Years go by and the old d still delivers!

I've never lost faith in the power a SOHC engine puts out.

It comes down to knowledge and money,but the d is cheap to build and a TONNE of power can be extracted from it!

bisi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAl180zN3Z0) just got 388kw out of his SOHC turbo'ed d16z.Not too shabby eh

LOL...
& you've summed up that parody to the Pied Piper of Hamelin quite nicely.

[90LAN]

With that sort of attitude you could say... why spend 20k + on a Kseries engine conversions on a FWD 15 year old 5k Honda civic... At the end of the day its still a civic. Ment for grocery shopping


actually honda japan made some civics for the track

we in australia just got the shit models

d series civics perfect for grocery shopping
i should know i own one now
and no way would a mod one to get more power out of it at end of the day its not worth the money imo

breeza love your work buddy

[tsg88]

I know nothing about Honda engines, other than the basics I've read here... but correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the D series motor the most common engine available in the Civic? Wouldn't it make sense for more people to play with them.. so I would have thought anyway.. seems like people just take the easy option and swap in a better motor.

If you ask me it doesn't matter what engine you have.. in the end its just a shopping trolley. I doubt anyone that has a Civic is in any delusion otherwise. Mine sits at a station carpark or in the uni carpark... and compared to my mates Barina looks damn sexy and goes A LOT harder. We're talking about cars worth < $5000 nowadays. Cheap motoring!

[bennjamin]

It comes down to knowledge and money,but the d is cheap to build and a TONNE of power can be extracted from it!

bisi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAl180zN3Z0) just got 388kw out of his SOHC turbo'ed d16z.Not too shabby eh


Don't agree with this tho - a d series motor will not be cheap to build to be performing to the same or above level as say b series motors have stock. Even more money is required to make then do decent times.Also a tonne of power can be extracted
from almost any motor with the correct massive turbo lol.

Granted , there have been amazing results from the states and south America but these engines will be highly strung , highly stressed and won't be built with longevity in mind.

Just go have fun :)

[Sexc86]

actually honda japan made some civics for the track

we in australia just got the shit models

d series civics perfect for grocery shopping
i should know i own one now
and no way would a mod one to get more power out of it at end of the day its not worth the money imo

breeza love your work buddy



These civics you speak of... do they keep up with REAL sports cars? like GTR's or NSX's ? dont think so. A civic is a civic no matter how its dressed. But hey... i dont mind, i own one!


Isnt anyone going to comment on post 493? because thats the only point i am picking at ...

[90LAN]

These civics you speak of... do they keep up with REAL sports cars? like GTR's or Evo's ? dont think so. A civic is a civic no matter how its dressed. But hey... i dont mind, i own one!

actually they do lyle if you checked

you are trying to compare things
what you are trying to say is would a d series keep up with a bseries
you know that answer

were talking about hondas here not other cars

so keep to the topic about the potential of the d series

if the d series was so cheap to get power and performance

why isnt there heaps of these cars getting done in australia to the potential of the yanks ?

instead of doing engine swaps all the time


you mite own a turd but not realise it
you polish that turd right up and get rid of the smell too so its really nice
but people still see it as a polished turd no matter how you look at it

but its your turd so you gotta love it any way

just my interpretation you asked for to be commented on