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TODA AU
31-12-2009, 04:25 PM
Isnt anyone going to comment on post 493? because thats the only point i am picking at ...
Lyle... you're thinking way too much, just let it go... LOL
Happy New Year everyone...
Hope you all have a safe one... I'm off to have a Bevie...
Cheers
Adrian
beeza
31-12-2009, 04:51 PM
LOL...
& you've summed up that parody to the Pied Piper of Hamelin quite nicely.
Glad I could make ya smile :D
And that's it benny! Just have FUN!!
I'm out there tracking my grocery shopping car :p
Sexc86
31-12-2009, 05:25 PM
actually they do lyle if you checked
you are trying to compare things
what you are trying to say is would a d series keep up with a bseries
you know that answer
were talking about hondas here not other cars
so keep to the topic about the potential of the d series
if the d series was so cheap to get power and performance
why isnt there heaps of these cars getting done in australia to the potential of the yanks ?
instead of doing engine swaps all the time
you mite own a turd but not realise it
you polish that turd right up and get rid of the smell too so its really nice
but people still see it as a polished turd no matter how you look at it
but its your turd so you gotta love it any way
just my interpretation you asked for to be commented on
Actually mate all this crap you just garbeled out i didnt mention one bit... nor do i see how it has any relevance on the post 493. I just pointed out 2 peoples conflicting views, but people like you come in here and go off on a ****ing tangent... then turn it around on me like im the idiot.
But hey...what do i know ?
90LAN
31-12-2009, 05:51 PM
Actually mate all this crap you just garbeled out i didnt mention one bit... nor do i see how it has any relevance on the post 493. I just pointed out 2 peoples conflicting views, but people like you come in here and go off on a ****ing tangent... then turn it around on me like im the idiot.
But hey...what do i know ?
post speak for themselves
so when are going to get decent d series builds in australia?
Spoon-Accord
31-12-2009, 05:57 PM
so, would a SOHC vtec d16 would be a better option then a DOHC zc in a crx?
Lukezen27
31-12-2009, 06:04 PM
so, would a SOHC vtec d16 would be a better option then a DOHC zc in a crx?
No zc is better
Sexc86
31-12-2009, 06:08 PM
post speak for themselves
so when are going to get decent d series builds in australia?
did i ever say such a thing in this threds latest discussion ?
I commented one two peoples conflicting attitudes... go read post 493 again
beeza
31-12-2009, 06:08 PM
WOW,13.28 Now Luke!!
Sick man!!!
Lukezen27
31-12-2009, 06:13 PM
WOW,13.28 Now Luke!!
Sick man!!!
Thanks man :p
On full street rubber to...
beeza
31-12-2009, 06:14 PM
Did U get a Vid of that run?
Lukezen27
31-12-2009, 06:16 PM
Did U get a Vid of that run?
Yup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZc1_i_NzrA&feature=player_embedded
beeza
31-12-2009, 06:21 PM
Damn Man!!
Getting faster and faster everytime!
ALLMTR996
06-01-2010, 01:12 PM
No more info anyone ?
EK1.6LCIV
06-01-2010, 01:36 PM
I wouldn't mind some of these headers bisimoto v2
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm270/JFK_78/DSC00503Small.jpg
beeza
06-01-2010, 02:14 PM
No more info anyone ?
About what?
ALLMTR996
06-01-2010, 02:31 PM
About what?
Lets talk D series.
beeza
06-01-2010, 02:41 PM
hehe yeah,sounds good! :)
I got a stage 1 bisi cam coming but I'm selling it to Typhoontimmy cause if I put it in my car I will lose my licence.
Um,I have been helping ekcoupe with his d16y7,next we will swapping the stupid y7 IM for a y4 IM and TB.
Always keeping the d in good health,so it will last! Therefore I wont need to spend more money,that is something I am over with cars.
Anyone else with some d news!!
WE WANT :)
ekcoupe
06-01-2010, 03:02 PM
sweet should i go ahead n tell dave that i will get the y4 im n tb off n i can pay for tommorow when we go out.
EK1.6LCIV
06-01-2010, 03:03 PM
Im keen to hear how the stage 2 cam in that one ek1 went in the other thread, keen to see in real life at least once :)
beeza
06-01-2010, 03:15 PM
sweet should i go ahead n tell dave that i will get the y4 im n tb off n i can pay for tommorow when we go out.
Go ahead,it might be the wrong but.
I told U that about 17 times now Timmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy.
beeza
06-01-2010, 03:16 PM
Im keen to hear how the stage 2 cam in that one ek1 went in the other thread, keen to see in real life at least once :)
Yeah totally!
Go ahead,it might be the wrong but.
I told U that about 17 times now Timmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy.
Lol timmmiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyy!!!
How much was the cam beez. Im getting bored.
beeza
12-01-2010, 06:14 PM
$450 but I'm gonna sell it.
Tell me bout it.always get bored,sick of spending money on my car,looking at parts on here,it's a vicious cycle :)
d15z1SUX
12-01-2010, 07:17 PM
^^get them all then u won't have to think about them anymore hahahaha
beeza
12-01-2010, 07:51 PM
Your shout!
:)
90LAN
12-01-2010, 08:07 PM
i finally got rid of my d series out of one of my civics
best thing i did lol
beeza
12-01-2010, 08:14 PM
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
A-man
18-01-2010, 11:23 PM
hey guys ive got a slightly worked d16 na setup with 12:1 hi comps arp bottom end 4-1 headers its built for a track car,
my question is has anyone ran stock management on this compression, ive got crome for management but i was going to use the stock map to run the engine in can i get some feedback on what people have done
the cams r stock also.
will13
20-01-2010, 05:02 PM
I've just read through this entire thread...so who actually has a built all motor D and actually drags it?
beeza
20-01-2010, 06:42 PM
One of the POV guys :)
d-series turbo ftw!
will13
20-01-2010, 08:56 PM
well keep an eye out on this thread over the next few months for my car :P
GSi_PSi
21-01-2010, 01:21 AM
he said all motor.......
Lukezen27
21-01-2010, 07:22 AM
You guys know even my turbo D with 137kw run crap drags times.
14.5 was my best due to crapy SOHC power brand. :o
If you realy want a fast D N/A or boost the ZC DOHC non VTec is the only option
will13
21-01-2010, 09:28 AM
What other work did it have done besides turbo?
beeza
21-01-2010, 09:34 AM
he said all motor.......
Oh yeah..
Lukezen27
21-01-2010, 11:44 AM
What other work did it have done besides turbo?
Nothing
Straight bolt-on and go
Im sure it could be a lot better then what u had luke by improving internals and gearbox.
Riced_Civic
28-01-2010, 06:29 PM
^^ of course it would have, any car would benefit from internal work
bennjamin
28-01-2010, 07:00 PM
Im sure it could be a lot better then what u had luke by improving internals and gearbox.
depends on how much "work" you speak of.
With lots of "work"- and a MASSIVE turbo the car could run 10s or 9s or whatever. But Who here in oz will sink a mortgage into a d series motor ?
Lukezen27
28-01-2010, 07:17 PM
Im sure it could be a lot better then what u had luke by improving internals and gearbox.
Why sink $$$4 into at turbo D when If you sink the same amount into a Tubo B you'll pawnage
beeza
30-01-2010, 07:30 PM
I'm a gonna buy this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_rdc=1&item=290341753307&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR4 0%26_trksid%3Dp3907.m38.l1313%26_nkw%3D29034175330 7%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&viewitem=) and get it installed.
d-series.org have great info on lightened flywheels.
I have done my reseach and a 12lbs one is the one for me I reckon.
Killa From Manila
30-01-2010, 07:39 PM
but thats for a manual car, u sure its the right part?
bennjamin
30-01-2010, 08:14 PM
I'm a gonna buy this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_rdc=1&item=290341753307&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR4 0%26_trksid%3Dp3907.m38.l1313%26_nkw%3D29034175330 7%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&viewitem=) and get it installed.
d-series.org have great info on lightened flywheels.
I have done my reseach and a 12lbs one is the one for me I reckon.
Sorry Brett you are misinformed. Don't you have an
auto ?
If so , you technically have a 500gram flywheel lol. Plus a bloody heavy torque convertor full of transmission fluid. Can't get
any better than that.
beeza
30-01-2010, 08:21 PM
Sorry Brett you are misinformed. Don't you have an
auto ?
If so , you technically have a 500gram flywheel lol. Plus a bloody heavy torque convertor full of transmission fluid. Can't get
any better than that.
OH! Glad I said something.. :)
Yes an auto!
So that sounds great benny,only 500 grams,DAMN! :cool:
Sorted!
Thank U :thumbsup:
beeza
30-01-2010, 08:22 PM
but thats for a manual car, u sure its the right part?
Thanks Killa :thumbsup:
Killa From Manila
30-01-2010, 08:28 PM
imagine the facepalm if u bought it
beeza
30-01-2010, 08:40 PM
imagine the facepalm if u bought it
hehe Yeah!
I'm lookin' for some light weight pulleys now :D
beeza
30-01-2010, 09:10 PM
This (http://motors.shop.ebay.com/__?_from=R40&_trksid=p3686.m39.l1313&_nkw=AEM+tru+power&_sacat=) is the one.It's for the a/c and p/s.
I just cant find one for my car.96EK1.
The crank pulley should not be replaced,it throws off your crank balance:
http://www.d-series.org/forums/engine-building/98839-thinking-about-buying-lightweight-front-pulley-read.html
beeza
30-01-2010, 09:28 PM
So this will free up some power and help the car to rev more freely.
Can anyone find one for my application at all please.
Lukezen27
30-01-2010, 09:51 PM
So this will free up some power and help the car to rev more freely.
Can anyone find one for my application at all please.
Yeah it seemed to help a little bit on my D16Y1 Brett
That ones you've listed is a bit heavier than mine witch might be a good thing
11.9 lb, lbs = 5.397 749 203 kilogram
Mine was 3.4kg and would stall the motor at the drop of a hat lol
beeza
31-01-2010, 11:05 AM
Yeah it seemed to help a little bit on my D16Y1 Brett
That ones you've listed is a bit heavier than mine witch might be a good thing
11.9 lb, lbs = 5.397 749 203 kilogram
Mine was 3.4kg and would stall the motor at the drop of a hat lol
Oh benny told me,my auto's flywheel is 500 grams lol
But I was referring to getting the AEM tru power lightweight pulleys for a/c and p/s.
I believe these will free up some power and allow the car to rev more free-er?
Did U have them at all Luke?
GSi_PSi
31-01-2010, 01:46 PM
why do you keep spending on your d-series for little gains which adds up, when you can install your B18C
beeza
31-01-2010, 01:58 PM
why do you keep spending on your d-series for little gains which adds up, when you can install your B18C
Cause is not about the gains,it's about the whole package -
A perfect balance between power,weight and handling.
I gotta tell ya,I'm gettin' damn close :thumbsup:
Just a nice lil' bump in power with the cam and the lightweight pulleys to help it rev a bit quicker and I will have myself a Very nice package indeed.
I love the auto and wouldn't swap it for manual and I don't want a big power gain.I was gonna sell the cam but have decided to install it.
So U see,cars can be a lot more than just power plant.I have enough power,the cam will just be an extra goodie :p
I've sat in cars that plant ya back in ya seat etc and it does nothing for me.Take me to a twisty mountain road and my car will rip that sh!t up! and it will be one of the funnest drives you'll have because the complete package is there and it's workin!!
The brakes are strong,the car is solid and feels like solid 1 unit.
If I were to add more power that would just throw the whole package out.
I bought the b18c with BIG plans.I was gonna make the whole package to match the built up race spec b18c.Plans fell through to lack of money but that's great cause I have found EXACTLY what I wanted in MY d16y4 auto! :thumbsup:
GREED led me to the b18c when EVERYTHING that I wanted was sitting right there in my engine bay THE WHOLE TIME!
I calibrated the voltage on the tps and it gave me back exactly what I was after - Free reving,low end power.
Man,calibrating the tps SAVED ME! :p
Stoked I figured out about it and how to do it,pretty proud of that :car:
ekcoupe
31-01-2010, 02:03 PM
I was gonna sell the cam but have decided to sell it.
lol..
yeah thats all true beeza has taking me for a drive and i love the handling, power n brakes very nice. i love it well done beez:D
beeza
31-01-2010, 02:09 PM
^^ Aha lolz - That pretty much sums up how I felt a lot of the time - IN 2 MINDS LOL
I need to have a lie down :)
Thanks Timmy! It's been an awesome journey,it really has! always changin' my plans n' stuff,feelin out what I want,what works best for me etc.
Also with my car being a sedan there's a bit of a weight factor that makes the car FUN to drive,a little bit more challenging but in no way is it a hinderance.
"WORK WITH WHAT YA GOT!"
I read that in someones sig on d-series and it has stuck with me since!
GSi_PSi
31-01-2010, 02:45 PM
i dunno how fun it would be to drive a automatic around corners :S
Do you pop it in D or do you shift 1,2,3,D lol? forget about heel and toe lol....
All the automatic gearboxes are laggy as hell, they cant change and feel better than a manual...
beeza
31-01-2010, 02:49 PM
hahaha awesome!
Nah man,just leave it in D and concentrate on the lines.
Well I have a ball.A lotta FUN! Now that the car is finding it's mark or more that I'm finding the mark in the car (Mark = Balance :) )
I only left foot brake now too or I use either L or R foot for braking,now THAT'S balance!
will13
31-01-2010, 02:50 PM
I'm all for working with what you got (mainly only when people start talking about d series engines lol)
but the auto thing would be a killer, its just gas, brake, repeat
bennjamin
31-01-2010, 03:32 PM
i love this thread , because its exactly what HE wants to do and not the typical "sheep VTEC-i get into debt for my b or k series" thread. Leave the kid alone let him mod his car however he wants.
Riced_Civic
31-01-2010, 03:56 PM
Go brett, D's represent. lol
I would have Loved to go B or K but its was 2 much money for what i wanted to do for the K and i couldnt have put the B in so i boosted my D.
i love what i have done with it and i dont regret it.
but now that i had a taste of power im looking for a new car car that will produce what i want.
Keeping the civic as a daily as it will always put a smile on my face as its my 1st car.
will13
31-01-2010, 04:06 PM
i love this thread , because its exactly what HE wants to do and not the typical "sheep VTEC-i get into debt for my b or k series" thread. Leave the kid alone let him mod his car however he wants.
ben just in case that was directed at me, i wasnt having a go at him about the D. I love the D series lol
bennjamin
31-01-2010, 04:08 PM
ben just in case that was directed at me, i wasnt having a go at him about the D. I love the D series lol
aimed at everyone here viewing or replying that thinks this is a waste of a thread because a waste of a setup !
will13
31-01-2010, 04:30 PM
Personally i think its a good thread, its helped me a lot. Nothing more irritating than seeing "why build a d, just get a b" !!
Lukezen27
31-01-2010, 07:55 PM
Go brett, D's represent. lol
I would have Loved to go B or K but its was 2 much money for what i wanted to do for the K and i couldnt have put the B in so i boosted my D.
i love what i have done with it and i dont regret it.
but now that i had a taste of power im looking for a new car car that will produce what i want.
Keeping the civic as a daily as it will always put a smile on my face as its my 1st car.
Happens every time ha
turbo D powers hell fun when you first get it but it doesn't take long before the hunger monster kicks in
Oh benny told me,my auto's flywheel is 500 grams lol
But I was referring to getting the AEM tru power lightweight pulleys for a/c and p/s.
I believe these will free up some power and allow the car to rev more free-er?
Did U have them at all Luke?
Hey brett
Didn't bother modding the a/c and p/s pulleys but then again I didn't have a N/A D Auto so i'd say every little bit would help
beeza
01-02-2010, 03:37 PM
^^ Forsure aye Luke! :)
Thanks Guys for your support!!
The thing is too Will,I'm 34 and had manuals all my life so the gold coast + an auto was and still is so nice to have.
I buggered my left ankle a bit from my bride bucket seat by having it at a bad angle and driving in it all day on my first track day,so near gear changes is a good thing.It's like it gets a bit swallen after a bit of work on it..
will13
01-02-2010, 11:05 PM
yeah fair call, it would be convenient. iv come from the opposite end of the scale, im only 20 and i learnt in an auto, wrote that off then bought a manual and spent 2 days teaching myself, after that and enjoying everything after it, i wouldnt go back to auto unless i was too injured to drive a manual, or if i needed to tow a caravan or something
how goes your D? I think i read somewhere that you're putting that cam in now?
beeza
02-02-2010, 09:50 AM
Yeah man,it goes great guns! It's perfect really.I wouldn't want bigger power at all.The stage 1 bisi cam will make it funner to drive.
Here's some video's from the track http://www.youtube.com/user/beeza2
I was running the stock shocks then...
will13
02-02-2010, 10:38 AM
nice vids, those are with the cam already in?
im thinking either stage 1 or stage 2...depends on how bad my idle will be with the stage 2
beeza
02-02-2010, 10:59 AM
No I haven't got the cam in yet.Stage 1 U can just drop it in and reset the ECU.
Stage 2 U should replace the springs and retainers and tune.
Some guys run it without the springs and retainers but it's a risk.
hitoriko
02-02-2010, 06:11 PM
hey guys
i need some info and im confused >< i want to know exactly what my engine is now before you flame me im buying teh car had a drive etc.. but i didn't get the engine number or anything off my brother in law and he isn't very mechainical at all so simple question:
I have a EG5 95 Civic VTi Hatch (SOHC) Vtec engine.. what is the most likely one in there? i can't remebr if its 1.5 or 1.6
also were these models rare? a friend of his said that "the EG5 are the rare ones" im lost so yeah help a bro out
also since my exhaust etc.. is done the next step would be a better camshaft, whats the best bang for buck without (if at all possible) modding the ECU and the rest of the Valvetrain (excluding the cam gear)
thanks in advance
PS loving the thread been reading through the previous posts trying to learn...not working though hahaha
cheers
Lukezen27
02-02-2010, 06:13 PM
hey guys
i need some info and im confused >< i want to know exactly what my engine is now before you flame me im buying teh car had a drive etc.. But i didn't get the engine number or anything off my brother in law and he isn't very mechainical at all so simple question:
I have a eg5 95 civic vti hatch (sohc) vtec engine.. What is the most likely one in there? I can't remebr if its 1.5 or 1.6
also were these models rare? A friend of his said that "the eg5 are the rare ones" im lost so yeah help a bro out
also since my exhaust etc.. Is done the next step would be a better camshaft, whats the best bang for buck without (if at all possible) modding the ecu and the rest of the valvetrain (excluding the cam gear)
thanks in advance
ps loving the thread been reading through the previous posts trying to learn...not working though hahaha
cheers
d16y1 1.59l
There not rare but people seems to keep em :)
Only model of that shape with a sun roof
hitoriko
02-02-2010, 06:27 PM
yeah mine is a working sunroof version! no leaks either! haha i was very suprised!
so its a 1.6 sohc vtec correct?
Lukezen27
02-02-2010, 06:28 PM
yeah mine is a working sunroof version! no leaks either! haha i was very suprised!
so its a 1.6 sohc vtec correct?
1.59 SOHC VTec but yes its listed as 1.6
I put a con rod through the side of mine with to much boost hahah
the sum roof is designed to leak its not water tight
hitoriko
02-02-2010, 06:40 PM
yeah im generally not a fan of sunroofs/moonroofs etc.. there a bitch to fix when things break and etc.. but lucky mine is good for the moment (touches wood)
so what shuld i do to this engine its going to be my daily and can't be off the road more than a weekend what kinda cam would be good for daily driving but still seeing a track once in a while
ekcoupe
02-02-2010, 09:11 PM
same cam that beeza is putting in a stage 1 bisi cam. he uses hes car for a daily and occasional tracks it.
Cursed
02-02-2010, 11:30 PM
subscribed
beeza
03-02-2010, 01:34 PM
Yeah the good thig about the stage 1 bisi cam is U can just drop it in and reset the ECU,DONE! $450.
Stage 2 and up U need to upgrade the valvetrain and tune = $2k.
U should have Intake/Header/Exhaust to accompany the cam too.
hitoriko
03-02-2010, 03:36 PM
$450 US or AUD?
if so thats quite expensive - but i suppose thats because not many people mod hondas (in comprasion to say toyota and nissan)
beeza
03-02-2010, 03:44 PM
AUS!
$360 US
http://bisimoto.net/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3_9_31
Mine is the y4.
So U need to buy the stock cam and they regrind it for U.
$130 US + $229 US Level 1 re-grind = $359 US + postage = $450 AUS :)
Now I just gotta get it in there (when I get it)
hitoriko
03-02-2010, 03:53 PM
ah nice
yours is a turbo im geussing?
im not exactly sure what i'll need for my car, i just need something thats going to make it more fun to drive and thats not going to cause to many ECU problems so far this seems a good choice :)
my car will be a daily and a rare track day here and there - does OZ honda ever run track days in melb at like Winton or something?
JasonGilholme
03-02-2010, 03:55 PM
beeze = NA, y4 Auto.
Will be interested to see how this cam goes in the engine with an auto box.
beeza
03-02-2010, 04:01 PM
Me Too Jase!
ASk 'RicedCivic' - Danny,he does track days down there,or check the past events section for something hito :)
Nihon jin des ka?
hitoriko
03-02-2010, 04:07 PM
haha no
im not jap - but my wife is indonesian :P so im trying to learn that
beeza
03-02-2010, 04:21 PM
Oh right!
Terah bekasi :)
hitoriko
03-02-2010, 05:35 PM
hehe
nice
beeza
03-02-2010, 05:39 PM
Yes,I've been to Indo 3 times,such beautiful/fun and interesting place,thick with culture and traditions.A lot of FUN :)
I mainly stayed in bali but went to Java-Jakarta,G-land surf camp on the tip of South East Java,it's a Jungle,bloody wicked!
Nusa lembogan and nusu dua.
Have U been or ya plan to go?
Where's ya Mrs from?
hitoriko
03-02-2010, 05:47 PM
My mrs is from Surabaya which is the 2nd biggest city 20million or so lots of riced Jazz's & Getz
I've been to indo about 5/6 times lol was married there!
i've been to....
Bali - Surabaya - Jarkarta - Bandung - Borobudur - Yogyakarta - Semarang - Malang..
thats just what i can remeber! i love it there and if i could handle the lanuage i would live there in an instant!
beeza
03-02-2010, 05:55 PM
Wicked man!
A member on here Yourfather married an indo girl and is living over there.GO FOR IT! :)
hitoriko
03-02-2010, 05:59 PM
But i bought a house and money is better here + i'd miss my cars too much
beeza
03-02-2010, 06:06 PM
So would I :)
I would do like 3 months,that would sort me out hehehe
hitoriko
03-02-2010, 06:11 PM
yeah easy!
i cant wait till i go back, but i also can wait cause i wanna work on this car :P
beeza
03-02-2010, 06:14 PM
Good one!
It's great to be passionate about something.I swear my car has been part of the reason that has kept me going the last 4 years!!
hitoriko
03-02-2010, 06:21 PM
well i go through cars like underwear!
i've had about 15 since i turned 16
n12 turbo exas, n13 exas, n13 pulsars, vk commo (i went to the dark side for abit :P) ae86's 180sx (so shouldn't ahve sold it!) couple ke70s
now ive had my boy racer days now i want something nice comfy but can still have fun on the track
beeza
03-02-2010, 06:27 PM
WOW! Damn,U have been a busy boy! :)
hitoriko
03-02-2010, 06:34 PM
yeah i ahve an 86 bare shell under my carpoint needing a new home - either someone buys it or its getting crushed - and noone wants that to happen!
hitoriko
03-02-2010, 06:40 PM
http://www.bloxracing.com/product_info.php?cPath=2&products_id=2
what about theses cams for daily and light track duties (stage 2)
beeza
03-02-2010, 07:03 PM
d-series.org will have reviews on it but BLOX is a respected brand.
hitoriko
03-02-2010, 07:25 PM
but i mean blox vs crower vs bisi
beeza
03-02-2010, 07:52 PM
Crower stage 2 has a BIG rep on d-series.org.Cant go wrong with that or bisi,not sure how the blox compares,there will be camshaft comparison threads on there but.
Much of a muchness aye.bisi or crower ftw!
Offcoasre it's more about the accompanying mods.
If I was to go stage2 I was at get the TB bored out to 60mm from 56mm,then do a home port match with the IM to the TB.
Then take the same,4mm off the intake where it joins on the head and port match the head!
Good gains to be had in porting,as long as ya dont **** it up!
hitoriko
03-02-2010, 08:50 PM
yeah what are the other intake options is there any other honda manifolds that will bolt on with gains or is it all make your own?
well im looking at a stage 1 or 2 cam just for more fun on street
beeza
03-02-2010, 08:57 PM
Skunk2 and blox do aftermarket IM for the d.
Mine being the y4 is the black sheep of the d's and it's a nightmare to run a b16 60mm TB,so I would need a custom IM,like this one!
http://img214.imageshack.us/i/sl372499.jpg/
From here:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123124
I was gonna buy it but opted against it.
will13
03-02-2010, 09:25 PM
mines the y1 (z6 i think for any US folk) and is probably the best one out there along with the y8
jdgunn
03-02-2010, 09:30 PM
where can i download / buy a d16z2 engine manual ?
cheers,
Gunn.
hitoriko
03-02-2010, 09:38 PM
apprently i have a d16y1 aswell so im in good shape for aftermarket support yes?
hitoriko
03-02-2010, 09:41 PM
$250 for that it seems reasonable
beeza
03-02-2010, 09:54 PM
mines the y1 (z6 i think for any US folk) and is probably the best one out there along with the y8
Yes,the z6 being the pick of them all,like bisi's (http://www.youtube.com/user/Bisimoto) beast.
apprently i have a d16y1 aswell so im in good shape for aftermarket support yes?
Yeah forsure,like the y8 but talk to 'lukezen' he had a y1 and turbo'ed it up etc
I would look into the skunk2 IM cause they do all the research and the guys in the US favour them or blox for a cheaper option.
That on in the pic does look like a china job though :)
2MPRS
03-02-2010, 10:03 PM
where can i download / buy a d16z2 engine manual ?
cheers,
Gunn.
ebay it i got a manual for like 6 bucks
TheSaint
05-02-2010, 03:16 PM
no wonder i cant find a D16z6 intake manifold in australia ... so i should be looking for a D16y1 instead?
the best 2 OEM intake manifolds for honda D series are:
D16z6: smaller resevoir but larger runners - nice all round gains focused on mid-high
D16y8: larger resevoir but smaller runners - more up high gains
skunk2: loose a little low end power but gain nice strong mid to high gains ... only recommended if you are doing everything (I/H/E, cams or turbo etc)
apparently if u are just doing I/H/E and mild cam etc the D16z6 IM is the best value for money, but hell if you can afford Skunk2 for a single banger - go for it
im trying to decide which one to get
after almost giving up on trying to find a D16z6 intake manifold i was going to get a skunk2 system instead ... but if someone can confirm that the D16y1 is the same than i will hunt one down =D
Lukezen27
05-02-2010, 03:46 PM
no wonder i cant find a D16z6 intake manifold in australia ... so i should be looking for a D16y1 instead?
the best 2 OEM intake manifolds for honda D series are:
D16z6: smaller resevoir but larger runners - nice all round gains focused on mid-high
D16y8: larger resevoir but smaller runners - more up high gains
skunk2: loose a little low end power but gain nice strong mid to high gains ... only recommended if you are doing everything (I/H/E, cams or turbo etc)
apparently if u are just doing I/H/E and mild cam etc the D16z6 IM is the best value for money, but hell if you can afford Skunk2 for a single banger - go for it
im trying to decide which one to get
after almost giving up on trying to find a D16z6 intake manifold i was going to get a skunk2 system instead ... but if someone can confirm that the D16y1 is the same than i will hunt one down =D
Correct D16y1 and D16z6 are the same motor (Well 99%)
Both are 92-95 SOHC VTec 1.6l
Close to all internal and external parts are interchangeable
TheSaint
05-02-2010, 04:46 PM
so i should be chasing up a D16y1 intake manifold?
did we get the D16z6 over here?
Lukezen27
05-02-2010, 05:06 PM
so i should be chasing up a D16y1 intake manifold?
did we get the D16z6 over here?
No we don't get the D16z6 over here
D16Y1 Or D16Y8 IM
hitoriko
05-02-2010, 05:36 PM
sweet so i already have the best intake for my engine (besides going skunk2 or blox)
beeza
05-02-2010, 05:55 PM
Here's (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59606&page=14) a list of things U can do to get ya D goin' TOP GUNS!!!!!!!!!!
Lukezen27
05-02-2010, 06:07 PM
sweet so i already have the best intake for my engine (besides going skunk2 or blox)
D16Y8 is slightly better I beleive
will13
05-02-2010, 06:50 PM
Not worth going from Y1 to Y8 though, IMO. I doubt that the gains would be noticeable
hitoriko
05-02-2010, 09:59 PM
yeah thats what i figured
looks like the best 2 mods i can do from teh get-go are the CAI & Pod and double check my Exhaust
also anyone from melbourne westside/northern subs can suggest a good Honda tuner?
TheSaint
05-02-2010, 10:08 PM
just ordered my D16a6 cam from USA ... will let you know how it goes in the D15
grifty
05-02-2010, 11:54 PM
why all the way from the USA?
TheSaint
06-02-2010, 12:45 AM
we didnt get D16a6 over here
didnt cost me much ... if someone can give me an engine code that has the same camshaft in australia i would be very greatful =D
grifty
06-02-2010, 01:27 AM
D16Z2 is the same motor as the D16A6, they can be found in Concerto's
will13
06-02-2010, 10:10 AM
Just for anyone who might be interested, I have a D16y1 build thread
No engine work done yet, but a list of mods and progress is on there, with a few future plans as well
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120233
TheSaint
06-02-2010, 12:00 PM
ok so let me get this straight...
D16z6 is a D16y1
D16a6 is a D16z2
the D16a6/D16z2 has almost the same head as a D15B7 but a stronger camshaft
the D16z6/D16y1 has the best all round flowing intake manifold out of all the D series
will13
06-02-2010, 03:36 PM
that looks pretty well spot on
TheSaint
06-02-2010, 05:10 PM
we need a D-series sticky for stuff like that lol
hitoriko
06-02-2010, 05:42 PM
we need a D-series sticky for stuff like that lol
thinking the same thing!
will13
10-02-2010, 01:29 PM
how many D series builds are there that we know of?
ekcoupe
10-02-2010, 01:44 PM
3-4 im guessing on this site probably more, mines a d-series build
will13
10-02-2010, 01:50 PM
would be nice to see more.
bennjamin
10-02-2010, 02:08 PM
id love to see some (or even ONE) bisi-inspired d series build.
That is , a overly huge powered SOHC d series with big header or big turbo running quick quick times.
ekcoupe
10-02-2010, 02:13 PM
x2 i would love to see a build like that in oz
will13
10-02-2010, 02:26 PM
I'll be buying through bisi some time this year. Not sure if I'd meet your definition of 'huge powered' but I'm looking to run high 13's in 12 months time
beeza
10-02-2010, 03:18 PM
That's Awesome Will!!
Riced_Civic
10-02-2010, 03:53 PM
i might end up doing a Full Build to my D17.
if i do, im aiming for 280+ kw
beeza
10-02-2010, 03:59 PM
Sick!
Have U got a list of parts U would use?
hitoriko
10-02-2010, 04:08 PM
im considering getting my cam and cam gear soon.... but the other side of me says get the suspension setup for track and daily :P
beeza
10-02-2010, 04:48 PM
I would choose suspension and learn to drive the car well!
Like my car is an auto and I left foot brake full time now but I can use either L or R.It took 6-8 months but I'm there now and it's great to have that confidence down there at ya feet.
Riced_Civic
10-02-2010, 04:53 PM
i dont have a specific list but i do want to use a bisi head.
the bottom end will most likely be built By AK.
but thats if plans falls into place at the right time.
beeza
10-02-2010, 05:27 PM
hehe yeah ' if plans falls into place at the right time.'
That's the ticket!!
:)
hitoriko
10-02-2010, 07:07 PM
yeah well i got my LCAs sorted i'll have to remove a strut and see what springs/shockers the car has and then decide on coilovers or a good shock/spring setup, and then rear Ctrl arms and etc..
will13
12-02-2010, 01:50 PM
does anyone have an idea of who might have the fastest all motor d series in the country? have their been any d series build in earlier years that some of us newer people might have missed out on seeing?
I've only been around for the last 12 months, surely theres more worked d series'
hitoriko
12-02-2010, 07:40 PM
does anyone have an idea of who might have the fastest all motor d series in the country? have their been any d series build in earlier years that some of us newer people might have missed out on seeing?
I've only been around for the last 12 months, surely theres more worked d series'
maybe very early on, but i dobut anyone did anything serious with the D
Killa From Manila
12-02-2010, 09:39 PM
theres been some decent turbo ones thats about it
hitoriko
12-02-2010, 10:15 PM
yeah but nothing really special esp when theres off the shelf kits - no serious NA builds
does anyone have an idea of who might have the fastest all motor d series in the country? have their been any d series build in earlier years that some of us newer people might have missed out on seeing?
I've only been around for the last 12 months, surely theres more worked d series'
Back in 2002 or so , my old eg hatch set up with d16a8 twin cam with i/h/e , exedy heavy duty clutch ran 15.1@90mph.
dougie_504
13-02-2010, 08:55 AM
JonSton ran 11.9 in his turbo D16A8 Gen2 CRX. On the dyno he's making anywhere between 200kw-250kw ATW.
Dunno about N/A D-series though
JasonGilholme
13-02-2010, 10:07 AM
is there many really big NA builds anyway?? (B or D series)
Yeah there are a few with stock blocks with a cam in the head but nothing major like port/polish, lumpy cam, new springs, pistons, rods, 10kRPM. etc etc
I know 12PIN has a big K series build in his DC5R, i'm sure theres a handful more, but most people are just IHE or a good turbo setup.
Sexc86
13-02-2010, 10:26 AM
id love to see some (or even ONE) bisi-inspired d series build.
That is , a overly huge powered SOHC d series with big header or big turbo running quick quick times.
agreed
beeza
13-02-2010, 10:39 AM
I'm unsure N/A...
Would be great to find out,I bet there's a few who are silent and will never know about..
grifty
13-02-2010, 10:43 AM
Beeza hows ur auto trans handeling the extra power from ur mods?
beeza
13-02-2010, 10:50 AM
Great question man!!
Cause I know now,it's the driveshaft that wears.It gets freeplay/movement in it,then needs to be replaced.All the power/energy is put onto where the inner driveshaft joins the left and right outer driveshaft,where the CV boot is,that's where it joins and wears etc.
So my car started shaking at 60km then 100km,took it to my man,geoff @ sebring mufflers and found out there was quite a bit of freeplay and the whole inner and outer driveshaft needed to be replaced.$330 for the whole driveshaft and $120 for fitting = $450.
Now the car feels solid as! just awesome,so I dont wanna track funtil I get the cam in,just enjoying it now!
I went for a 3 hour drive through the hinterland just now,so nice! At my mates now :)
Alexx
13-02-2010, 12:51 PM
Wtf beez 450 for a shaft?
Theres a place in cooparoo that supplies and fits new shafts for under 200...
beeza
13-02-2010, 01:10 PM
Is that second hand though? this was recon/new one.Just like new.
Alexx
13-02-2010, 04:25 PM
brand new man
hitoriko
13-02-2010, 05:41 PM
ouch - did you shop around before getting it done?
JasonGilholme
13-02-2010, 06:17 PM
what shafts beez? OEM Rebuilt?
I think you can get a pair of stage 1 hasports for about 450. Install wouldn't be much more then what you paid. And they're brand new + upgraded.
90LAN
13-02-2010, 06:32 PM
i got new ones from honda for 1200
so dont feel bad breeza
i got new ones from honda for 1200
so dont feel bad breeza
wow brand new !
beeza
14-02-2010, 03:30 PM
Cheers Guys!
Yeah,OEM reconitioned.
Wow! Those hasports sound the go!!
I wont have any worry tracking then,I will need it too with the cam.
NightKids
14-02-2010, 11:13 PM
Can 100kw atw be achieved with a N/A D-Series? And if so what parts would be needed....
Was wondering what would be cheaper to achieve this power figure. Modding the D-Series or chucking in a B Series with some mods.
beeza
14-02-2010, 11:37 PM
Check out d-series.org Nightkids,so much info on there,they always are talking about thier set ups and U get to know what the d needs/wants to make it go!
NightKids
15-02-2010, 01:25 AM
Thanks i'm actually on there right now reading the N/A Noob setup section.
Here's my situation, i got a bit over 200,000km on my engine. It blows a cloud of smoke when I hit VTEC, like heaps! Been told that maybe my rings are gone. Got quoted $3000 for a OEM rebuild.
I've put a few things on there like a brand new Exedy HD Clutch, Exedy lightened flywheel & also did the major service which cost me $1000. Also have a SRI.
Seems like a real waste to just throw everything out and chuck a B series engine in. If I seperate, don't think there will be a big interest with my parts.
So what do you suggest I do? Looking to hit 100kw atw but this seems highly unrealistic with a N/A setup. A lot are only hitting around 80kw atw. Budget is around $2000-$3000.
JasonGilholme
15-02-2010, 05:50 AM
I will need it too with the cam.
lol, its still going through an auto box which will pull the power down quite considerably. If you were going turbo + cam + headwork + LSD or something along those lines i'd look at the bigger shafts.
Its really a matter of how the power is applied. If its a sudden application from a dead stop then you will either spin the wheels or break a shaft. If you have a standing start situation i recommend pre-loading the driveline.
In an auto you just have it in drive, left foot on the brake, right foot on the accelerator as far as you can without the car moving forward. Then release the brake and plant your foot on the accelerator :thumbsup:
Preload will save shafts, so you could probably stick with your new set you've already got.
ALLMTR996
15-02-2010, 08:22 AM
Thanks i'm actually on there right now reading the N/A Noob setup section.
Here's my situation, i got a bit over 200,000km on my engine. It blows a cloud of smoke when I hit VTEC, like heaps! Been told that maybe my rings are gone. Got quoted $3000 for a OEM rebuild.
I've put a few things on there like a brand new Exedy HD Clutch, Exedy lightened flywheel & also did the major service which cost me $1000. Also have a SRI.
Seems like a real waste to just throw everything out and chuck a B series engine in. If I seperate, don't think there will be a big interest with my parts.
So what do you suggest I do? Looking to hit 100kw atw but this seems highly unrealistic with a N/A setup. A lot are only hitting around 80kw atw. Budget is around $2000-$3000.
What engine are you running ?
For a D16 single cam Vtec 100+kw can be done you just need P29 or PG6 pistons,Cyl head will need port blending only a good valve job good valve springs/retainers and a Bisi cam with a cam gear,a ported intake manifold fitted with a B16a TB Headers will need to be 44.5mm primary's with a 60mm exhaust.And the most important part SOMEONE that knows how to tune this setup and not some e-tuner that has no idea how an engine works and needs to be tuned.I have seen 99kw out of one of these setups using a STD cam but it was on the dyno for days playing around with it.To make that engine nice to drive it ended up with 92kw to make the best mid range power.
beeza
15-02-2010, 09:06 AM
Thanks i'm actually on there right now reading the N/A Noob setup section.
Here's my situation, i got a bit over 200,000km on my engine. It blows a cloud of smoke when I hit VTEC, like heaps! Been told that maybe my rings are gone. Got quoted $3000 for a OEM rebuild.
I've put a few things on there like a brand new Exedy HD Clutch, Exedy lightened flywheel & also did the major service which cost me $1000. Also have a SRI.
Seems like a real waste to just throw everything out and chuck a B series engine in. If I seperate, don't think there will be a big interest with my parts.
So what do you suggest I do? Looking to hit 100kw atw but this seems highly unrealistic with a N/A setup. A lot are only hitting around 80kw atw. Budget is around $2000-$3000.
Unsure about power figures,d-series will know.
What engine is it?
I would get another Head,IM and TB.Send them off to Yonas.He can get headwork done,cleaned in the hot cold tank etc for $800-$1200.U can have a lil' milled off the head to for a lilttle bump in compression.Don't bother with a thinner headgasket it's not worth it for a .1 bump in compression.TB can be bored out to 60mm for $195 and a skunk2 IM.
The last section on this page should give U some understanding of the awesome benefits that come from p&p the head,then porting the IM and TB.
http://portandpolish.blogspot.com/
A stage 1 bisi cam requires no tuning,save on cost and will go hand in hand with the port work.
So now U have the new head,IM and TB to go in.When U get them put in U can do the rings and anything else that may need repairing when the head is off.
Maybe some high comp pistons if U have the extra cash.
The good thing about the stage 1 bisi cam is U dont need to upgrade the valves,springs and retainers.
Everyone on d-series will tell U stage 1 is a waste of time,it wont be to me.
If U have the money then go stage 2,upgraded valves,springs and retainers and tune with greddy or something = more money!
Why dont U sign up on d-series,tell them ya planned mods and ask what power will I be looking at,guys do it all the time.Note,they aren't familiar with kw's ,just hp lol
lol, its still going through an auto box which will pull the power down quite considerably. If you were going turbo + cam + headwork + LSD or something along those lines i'd look at the bigger shafts.
Its really a matter of how the power is applied. If its a sudden application from a dead stop then you will either spin the wheels or break a shaft. If you have a standing start situation i recommend pre-loading the driveline.
In an auto you just have it in drive, left foot on the brake, right foot on the accelerator as far as you can without the car moving forward. Then release the brake and plant your foot on the accelerator :thumbsup:
Preload will save shafts, so you could probably stick with your new set you've already got.
Preloading bogs my car,the best way i to just plant ity,trust me :p
If I break this driveshaft I'll get the hasports,doubt I will for a while though,I mean the last one was 120,000k's,70,000 of which was my driving :thumbsup:
TODA AU
15-02-2010, 08:02 PM
Thanks i'm actually on there right now reading the N/A Noob setup section.
Here's my situation, i got a bit over 200,000km on my engine. It blows a cloud of smoke when I hit VTEC, like heaps! Been told that maybe my rings are gone. Got quoted $3000 for a OEM rebuild.
I've put a few things on there like a brand new Exedy HD Clutch, Exedy lightened flywheel & also did the major service which cost me $1000. Also have a SRI.
Seems like a real waste to just throw everything out and chuck a B series engine in. If I seperate, don't think there will be a big interest with my parts.
So what do you suggest I do? Looking to hit 100kw atw but this seems highly unrealistic with a N/A setup. A lot are only hitting around 80kw atw. Budget is around $2000-$3000.
The party pooper is here with some terrible truths:wave:
Low budget horspower from a D-series engine is a Myth!
There is no such thing as an Exedy lightened flywheel for a D-series...
Only really poor people dream about modifying D-series Honda's
Anyway... Wake up! & stop getting ripped off...
NightKids, your car sounds like it needs maintenance, not modification.
Your budget will just about cover a stock rebuild...
Why don't you just do that or get a stock transplant & keep some change in your pocket.
I vote do the latter...
& please... Stop buying parts that don't exist, it's sad.
(I'm not meaning to be offensive saying this)
I would get another Head,IM and TB.Send them off to Yonas.He can get headwork done,cleaned in the hot cold tank etc for $800-$1200.U can have a lil' milled off the head to for a lilttle bump in compression.Don't bother with a thinner headgasket it's not worth it for a .1 bump in compression.TB can be bored out to 60mm for $195 and a skunk2 IM.
LOL...
That's right fellas,
Send your spare head off to someone who hasn't a clue how to port it...
Experience has now been replaced by a machine....
Not a CNC head porter, no siree
Just a quick trip through the hot cold tank & "BAM!" it's ported! & clean!
F@cken wow!
Gotta get me one of those tanks... LOL
(No offence Yonas... That sentence was just too funny to leave alone)
Benson
15-02-2010, 08:18 PM
You can get a B16a running gear for as low as 2k these days. Do the labour yourself and you'll be laughing at the D-series once your done
TODA AU
15-02-2010, 08:33 PM
/\ Even better option... LOL
(Unless you're a D-seriesaphile)
GSi_PSi
15-02-2010, 08:38 PM
there is no point tryna help boys, they dont listen , let them waste their monies., and still get beaten by a stock b16a
Chr1s
15-02-2010, 09:26 PM
The party pooper is here with some terrible truths:wave:
Send your spare head off to someone who hasn't a clue how to port it...
Experience has now been replaced by a machine....
Not a CNC head porter, no siree
Just a quick trip through the hot cold tank & "BAM!" it's ported! & clean!
F@cken wow!
Gotta get me one of those tanks... LOL
(No offence Yonas... That sentence was just too funny to leave alone)
lol you're not alone laughing
some people are quite interesting eh....
LOL...
That's right fellas,
Send your spare head off to someone who hasn't a clue how to port it...
Experience has now been replaced by a machine....
Not a CNC head porter, no siree
Just a quick trip through the hot cold tank & "BAM!" it's ported! & clean!
F@cken wow!
Gotta get me one of those tanks... LOL
(No offence Yonas... That sentence was just too funny to leave alone)
We are not the one who is doing it , one of my guy who got a machine shop doing it. Im happy with their work.
To be honest just B series it , easier to get power.
NightKids
16-02-2010, 02:25 AM
The party pooper is here with some terrible truths:wave:
Low budget horspower from a D-series engine is a Myth!
There is no such thing as an Exedy lightened flywheel for a D-series...
Only really poor people dream about modifying D-series Honda's
Anyway... Wake up! & stop getting ripped off...
NightKids, your car sounds like it needs maintenance, not modification.
Your budget will just about cover a stock rebuild...
Why don't you just do that or get a stock transplant & keep some change in your pocket.
I vote do the latter...
& please... Stop buying parts that don't exist, it's sad.
(I'm not meaning to be offensive saying this)
LOL...
That's right fellas,
Send your spare head off to someone who hasn't a clue how to port it...
Experience has now been replaced by a machine....
Not a CNC head porter, no siree
Just a quick trip through the hot cold tank & "BAM!" it's ported! & clean!
F@cken wow!
Gotta get me one of those tanks... LOL
(No offence Yonas... That sentence was just too funny to leave alone)
What da hell do you mean I'm buying parts that don't exist? You freaken calling me a liar or something? Well I hate to break the terrible truth to ya but Exedy lightened flywheel do exist for the D-Series. Here's the packaging I have at home to 'prove' that I did really buy the parts.
http://img2.pict.com/58/12/65/2852750/0/dscn1481.jpg
http://img2.pict.com/c8/85/09/2852751/0/dscn1482.jpg
Here's the link with the information. http://www.racinglab.com/exedy-flywheel-hf501.html
Acura/Honda (D-Series) Exedy Lightweight Flywheel (HF501)
Honda
1990-91 Civic 1.5L D15
1992-95 Civic 1.5L D15
1990-91 Civic 1.6L D16 SOHC
1992-00 Civic 1.6L D16 SOHC
2001-05 Civic 1.7L D17 SOHC
And just in case you say it's not right, doesn't fit... I have it in my car atm!
You may be a respected tuner... blah blah blah, but seriously that post just made you sound like a douchebag. I'm simply looking at my options cause if I don't need to go B-series for my power expectations then I won't, providing it'll be a realistic with $$$. At the end I may end up with the B-series but it doesn't help to do some research, which you obviously haven't done in regards to the D-series flywheel. Do your research before you acuse someone next time, it's sad.
hitoriko
16-02-2010, 05:37 AM
how much taht set you back?
bennjamin
16-02-2010, 06:08 AM
Lol
I had a TODA flywheel for d series... Hand delivered by mr TODA AU himself early one morn years ago. Worked well. But then again , I had the only d series ever worth mentioning in history (d16a8/zc).
I quickly learnt that d series are weak power weak internal and just not worth time modifying AT ALL. Spend the money on a mortgage or food.
My 2 cents
hitoriko
16-02-2010, 09:52 AM
i like my lil sohc y1 - reminds me of my first exa turbo
Timmy_B
16-02-2010, 10:53 AM
What da hell do you mean I'm buying parts that don't exist? You freaken calling me a liar or something? Well I hate to break the terrible truth to ya but Exedy lightened flywheel do exist for the D-Series. Here's the packaging I have at home to 'prove' that I did really buy the parts.
http://img2.pict.com/58/12/65/2852750/0/dscn1481.jpg
http://img2.pict.com/c8/85/09/2852751/0/dscn1482.jpg
Here's the link with the information. http://www.racinglab.com/exedy-flywheel-hf501.html
Acura/Honda (D-Series) Exedy Lightweight Flywheel (HF501)
Honda
1990-91 Civic 1.5L D15
1992-95 Civic 1.5L D15
1990-91 Civic 1.6L D16 SOHC
1992-00 Civic 1.6L D16 SOHC
2001-05 Civic 1.7L D17 SOHC
And just in case you say it's not right, doesn't fit... I have it in my car atm!
You may be a respected tuner... blah blah blah, but seriously that post just made you sound like a douchebag. I'm simply looking at my options cause if I don't need to go B-series for my power expectations then I won't, providing it'll be a realistic with $$$. At the end I may end up with the B-series but it doesn't help to do some research, which you obviously haven't done in regards to the D-series flywheel. Do your research before you acuse someone next time, it's sad.
FTMFW:thumbsup:
IMO if people want to mod D series they should just do it, dont listen to other people saying its a waste of money, if your passionate bout doing it and want to see how far the motor can be pushed well you should go for it.
Money isn't everything in this world, the experiance of saying what you achived may be worth it. and if it isn't worth it, well it was great ride while it lasted
JasonGilholme
16-02-2010, 11:12 AM
having fun doesn't mean being the fastest. :thumbsup:
beeza
16-02-2010, 03:42 PM
^^ Yes,something SOME will never get lol
Adrian,my one wish would be for U to sign up on d-series.org and say what U say about the d here,there.
I would LOVE for U to 'tell' all these guys who are PASSIONATE about the d-series engine just what a piece of shit it is,would LOVE that!
Post results hehe
I am not poor but I dont have money either :)
bennjamin
16-02-2010, 03:53 PM
brett , the plain fact is D series do no do good numbers easily anywhere in the world. The only ones....are worked off their **** and highly strung and NOT daily drivers.
Any B or k or XXX series are already quick , and it takes little to improve them.
Having said that , YOU as a d series owner have to accept this - and accept that others have been thru this exact same process ( such as me ) and worked out the long way. You cant flog a dead horse.
Anyway , for what its worth - i love all you guys for sticking to it.
A question tho -
You , and others as d series owners......if you had a spare $5k-10k to spend in one hit on your car would you get a B series ?
ekcoupe
16-02-2010, 03:55 PM
A question tho -
You , and others as d series owners......if you had a spare $5k-10k to spend in one hit on your car would you get a B series ?
definally, im saving up for one atm:D
JasonGilholme
16-02-2010, 03:59 PM
You , and others as d series owners......if you had a spare $5k-10k to spend in one hit on your car would you get a B series ?
Good question ben, but i think the people that do answer should specify whether they are after a performance car, or if they're just having fun with what they've got. Cause that one factor changes the whole situation. :thumbsup:
FWIW, if it was me, and i had a d series car, it would probably be my daily driver. Not because i already have another car, but because its NOT a performance car in my mind. I'd probably do a few things to it (nice muffler, panel filter, a gauge or two for engine monitoring and some stereo gear), but i wouldn't consider spending a large chuck of money like that on the car AT ALL.
For 5 - 10k i could get a new daily driver for the next 5 - 10 years lol
bennjamin
16-02-2010, 04:00 PM
definally, im saving up for one atm:D
Ah huh ! Another bites the dust n joins the dark side. You , as a D series enthusiast said yourself
give the engine as much power as i can without putting in a turbo or engine swap, get a few bars for the suspension.
And , the fact is the engine as it is will make as much power as it ever will :thumbsup:
ekcoupe
16-02-2010, 04:02 PM
Ah huh ! Another bites the dust n joins the dark side. You , as a D series enthusiast said yourself
And , the fact is the engine as it is will make as much power as it ever will :thumbsup:
well having a y7 auto not much power, and seeing how a b18c goes.
thats what changed my mind
beeza
16-02-2010, 04:04 PM
I'm not looking for power benny.I'm after the most perfect balance I can find between power,weight and handling.
And that's a GREAT question,one that REALLY has no definate answer for me.I mean a b18c with I/H/E ECU OR y8 with I/H/E ,port work,cam,ECU.Great question,both would be great.
I would have to have to go the d to be different :)
I Love the simplicity of the d,always will.
JasonGilholme
16-02-2010, 04:06 PM
I Love the simplicity of the d,always will.
at the end of the day, theres not much difference between the two that would concern the user. Maybe the servicing but the difference wouldn't be that much if you look after your D already.
Are you sure you're in love with the simplicity of the D or in love with the simplicity of not having to do a conversion??
beeza
16-02-2010, 04:06 PM
Good question ben, but i think the people that do answer should specify whether they are after a performance car, or if they're just having fun with what they've got. Cause that one factor changes the whole situation. :thumbsup:
Yeah that's the thing Jase :thumbsup:
Would LOVE a d with great port work,I/H/E,cam,ECU,now that would be fun to drive :thumbsup:
I dont care about beating anyone lol :cool:
beeza
16-02-2010, 04:07 PM
at the end of the day, theres not much difference between the two that would concern the user. Maybe the servicing but the difference wouldn't be that much if you look after your D already.
Are you sure you're in love with the simplicity of the D or in love with the simplicity of not having to do a conversion??
haha LOVE ya Jase! :D
Looking forward to getting the cam in there,it gets sent here this week :thumbsup:
lil_foy
16-02-2010, 05:39 PM
Ignorance is bliss ahhhh.
Sorry Bezza but it's true, you'll get more torque, oem reliabilty, etc, etc from a b-series.
End of day you'll do what you want but you're better off putting that b18 in that you have sitting there.
beeza
16-02-2010, 05:43 PM
hehe,do U do that much? Tell people what they are better off doing?
:)
lil_foy
16-02-2010, 05:45 PM
hehe,do U do that much? Tell people what they are better off doing?
:)
Freedom of speech, forums are a public space.
If you didn't want the public to voice their opinion, you don't post on a forum.
beeza
16-02-2010, 05:52 PM
It's just the same thing being repeated over and over and over.
Tell ya what,give me $3k and I'll 'put it in'.
I mean,if I had the money I would put the b18c in there,DUH!
Guess what - NO MONEY!
Sorry to come accross as rude but cars cost money right? So how can U say jsut do this!
I mean if I could 'just do this or that' I bloody well would!
lil_foy
16-02-2010, 05:56 PM
It's just the same thing being repeated over and over and over.
Tell ya what,give me $3k and I'll 'put it in'.
I mean,if I had the money I would put the b18c in there,DUH!
Guess what - NO MONEY!
Sorry to come accross as rude but cars cost money right? So how can U say jsut do this!
I mean if I could 'just do this or that' I bloody well would!
You do realise how much properly porting, etc costs?
What else do you need apart from maybe an exhaust modification to fit it into the car?
redefine
16-02-2010, 05:56 PM
yeah but a swap is expensive. You can still have fun in a d. I have heaps of fun in my d. Im agreeing with beeza now. Performance will come much later when i have money. Atm 4m just lookiog for cheap fun
Chr1s
16-02-2010, 06:03 PM
Hmm...
When I first started out with cars, naturally I was heavily interested in my first car, a nissan pintara. That sported a wonderful KA24E.......I use to think it was the best motor in the world (not literally lol)
Anyway, I ended up rebuilding the engine myself with high comp pistons, rebuilt head, camshaft, tune, bla bla...It was "fun" but I got over it and wanted more power, so I researched engines more, alot like you guys now, but you seem to be only interested in camshafts by other people, probably because you don't want to re-invent the wheel again I say. I actually got that far, I had a set of prints I designed for the next motor, custom rods, pistons, cam, dual head swap, custom headers, intake, the lot. I knew the motors in the states in race cars pushed 345hp NA - this gee'd me up like crazy. I guess much like you guys and the bisi cars.
Now i'll be honest, don't bother with what you're doing, I mean keep the convo going and maybe keep it fun by talking about intake design one week, cam theories the next, etc etc but don't spend money on the D, as more days go past, your ring seal is degrading, and by the time you actually do get a decent head on that motor, the bottom end will need re-working, something you seem like your not prepared to do. I think I read auto in there somewhere, glhf with that.
I can see where Adrian is coming from, it is pretty silly to try and do what you're doing (no offense at all) but I was there once too and in hindsight, I wish I saved my money for something better. I will probably say it for anything I've done but who hasn't? If you must, go for it.. we only live once I guess.
beeza
16-02-2010, 06:08 PM
You do realise how much properly porting, etc costs?
What else do you need apart from maybe an exhaust modification to fit it into the car?
But I never said I was going to do it!!
Well U would def. need an exhaust,a auto gearbox plus bits and pieces,install.
beeza
16-02-2010, 06:10 PM
Thanks Chris,I appreciate the knowledge mate.
Killa From Manila
16-02-2010, 06:43 PM
just save a little longer and dont waste money....im on apprentice wages and bout to do a h swap
beeza
16-02-2010, 06:59 PM
Yeah I know,if I scab it for ages I'll be able to do it lol
I dont wanna but,Love my d.
NightKids
16-02-2010, 07:06 PM
how much taht set you back?
I think it was around $600-$700 all up. I bought it from the US. Our dollar wasn't that good then, it'll prob be cheaper now.
GSi_PSi
16-02-2010, 07:06 PM
well see the thing is when your spending money on camshafts for your d . You do seem to be having money . And you spent 450 on driveshafts. Seriously how much more would i cost to install the b18c to your car. Find a back yarder im sure it would be cheaper than all these parts youve bout for the d
NightKids
16-02-2010, 07:08 PM
Hmm...
When I first started out with cars, naturally I was heavily interested in my first car, a nissan pintara. That sported a wonderful KA24E.......I use to think it was the best motor in the world (not literally lol)
Anyway, I ended up rebuilding the engine myself with high comp pistons, rebuilt head, camshaft, tune, bla bla...It was "fun" but I got over it and wanted more power, so I researched engines more, alot like you guys now, but you seem to be only interested in camshafts by other people, probably because you don't want to re-invent the wheel again I say. I actually got that far, I had a set of prints I designed for the next motor, custom rods, pistons, cam, dual head swap, custom headers, intake, the lot. I knew the motors in the states in race cars pushed 345hp NA - this gee'd me up like crazy. I guess much like you guys and the bisi cars.
Now i'll be honest, don't bother with what you're doing, I mean keep the convo going and maybe keep it fun by talking about intake design one week, cam theories the next, etc etc but don't spend money on the D, as more days go past, your ring seal is degrading, and by the time you actually do get a decent head on that motor, the bottom end will need re-working, something you seem like your not prepared to do. I think I read auto in there somewhere, glhf with that.
I can see where Adrian is coming from, it is pretty silly to try and do what you're doing (no offense at all) but I was there once too and in hindsight, I wish I saved my money for something better. I will probably say it for anything I've done but who hasn't? If you must, go for it.. we only live once I guess.
Excellent post there Chris, unlike Adrian who doesn't even know what a D-Series flywheel is...
I guess we all grow attached to certain things (D-Series) but I guess you're right. At the end of the day it is definately better to go B-series. Oh well I guess it's either going B or save up for another car now...
beeza
16-02-2010, 07:15 PM
well see the thing is when your spending money on camshafts for your d . You do seem to be having money . And you spent 450 on driveshafts. Seriously how much more would i cost to install the b18c to your car. Find a back yarder im sure it would be cheaper than all these parts youve bout for the d
I bought the cam on the 28th November,workin' less hrs now.
$450 on the driveshaft was a case of NEED TO DO or no car.
If I really wanted to put it in I would but all factors considered (for a long time),I don't/won't.
That's being smart/mature and responsible.
And not just 'whacking it in there' cause everyone thinks U should.
beeza
16-02-2010, 07:16 PM
At the end of the day it is definately better to go B-series.
Cause they are a more powerful engine?
JasonGilholme
16-02-2010, 07:27 PM
Hmm...
When I first started out with cars, naturally I was heavily interested in my first car, a nissan pintara. That sported a wonderful KA24E.......I use to think it was the best motor in the world (not literally lol)
Anyway, I ended up rebuilding the engine myself with high comp pistons, rebuilt head, camshaft, tune, bla bla...It was "fun" but I got over it and wanted more power, so I researched engines more, alot like you guys now, but you seem to be only interested in camshafts by other people, probably because you don't want to re-invent the wheel again I say. I actually got that far, I had a set of prints I designed for the next motor, custom rods, pistons, cam, dual head swap, custom headers, intake, the lot. I knew the motors in the states in race cars pushed 345hp NA - this gee'd me up like crazy. I guess much like you guys and the bisi cars.
Now i'll be honest, don't bother with what you're doing, I mean keep the convo going and maybe keep it fun by talking about intake design one week, cam theories the next, etc etc but don't spend money on the D, as more days go past, your ring seal is degrading, and by the time you actually do get a decent head on that motor, the bottom end will need re-working, something you seem like your not prepared to do. I think I read auto in there somewhere, glhf with that.
I can see where Adrian is coming from, it is pretty silly to try and do what you're doing (no offense at all) but I was there once too and in hindsight, I wish I saved my money for something better. I will probably say it for anything I've done but who hasn't? If you must, go for it.. we only live once I guess.
nice constructive post chris. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I played around with my first car too, not to the extent that you did, but more to the level that these guys will/have gone with their d's. The best thing i got from that car was experience and the right frame of mind. Yeah i spent some money that was better off being spent elsewhere but i got alot out of it in the long run.
IMO i'd rather spend money on a car that means something to me rather then wasting money on drugs & alcohol. lol
IDK why i keep posting in this thread, i got a B16! lol. I must just know where these guys are coming from and what they're going through.
beeza
16-02-2010, 07:31 PM
haha awesome Jase!
Everyone wants to be the underdogs/the have nots!
God bless the child who can hold his own,no doubt!
Chr1s
16-02-2010, 08:17 PM
^ I wanted to be the underdog too, I remember sitting back watching hondas going past thinking they don't know whats coming for them hahaha
Time will pass and you will know what we mean, I could bet $50 spend a day with me and i'll change your mindset from D's to B's.
beeza
16-02-2010, 08:37 PM
Oh guaranteed Chris!
Or k's or J's L's R's WHATEVA!!
I often go and play with the b18c,look at it and think if U were in my car I would Love U as much as I do my d but money does not permit me to Love it LOL
But I still do :)
So,I'm still here on Ozhonda,just doing my thing man.Not chasing anything but a good time!
hitoriko
16-02-2010, 08:41 PM
A question tho -
You , and others as d series owners......if you had a spare $5k-10k to spend in one hit on your car would you get a B series ?
no
convert to RWD + 13bt
game over
Chr1s
16-02-2010, 08:51 PM
You need to learn what the term love means :p. You use it so loosely hahah
TODA AU
16-02-2010, 09:08 PM
What da hell do you mean I'm buying parts that don't exist? You freaken calling me a liar or something? Well I hate to break the terrible truth to ya but Exedy lightened flywheel do exist for the D-Series. Here's the packaging I have at home to 'prove' that I did really buy the parts.
You may be a respected tuner... blah blah blah, but seriously that post just made you sound like a douchebag. I'm simply looking at my options cause if I don't need to go B-series for my power expectations then I won't, providing it'll be a realistic with $$$. At the end I may end up with the B-series but it doesn't help to do some research, which you obviously haven't done in regards to the D-series flywheel. Do your research before you acuse someone next time, it's sad.
Mate, I just assumed you were ripped off buying fake parts... (this does happen)
Anyway, to be honest, I didn't look too hard to see if the product had become available...My bad...
Anyway since you made. I did check & it was added in Feb 2008...
There you go... You're right, I'm wrong... (About the flywheel) :thumbsup:
As for your other comments going off the deep end...
Mate, you're taking it way too personally...
Fair enough you want to do your "Research"
But you really aught to listen to the advice you've been given.
Not just but me, but others who build & tune cars.
Unless someone wants to sell you some rubbish for your D,
Everyone in the industry says the same thing. Haven't you noticed that yet?
It's not a fluke.
This should utterly dominate your reasearch....
Myths of grunt master D-series engines online posted by dreamers should not...
In a nut shell, you're considering modifying a D...
This is not a smart thing to do... (or politely, a very bad idea)
The return on investment is appalling...
(particularly since you want value for money)
You don't need to take another step down this path...
You can walk away...
So call me what you want...
But in years to come, you'll look back & know that prick from Toda was right...
D-series :thumbdwn:
Alexx
16-02-2010, 09:19 PM
D --> B, its a natural progression. Been there done that, wont look back :thumbsup:
TODA AU
16-02-2010, 09:21 PM
^^ Yes,something SOME will never get lol
Adrian,my one wish would be for U to sign up on d-series.org and say what U say about the d here,there.
I would LOVE for U to 'tell' all these guys who are PASSIONATE about the d-series engine just what a piece of shit it is,would LOVE that!
Post results hehe
I am not poor but I dont have money either :)
LOL.. What for?
People who are fanatical about stupid things are like religious zealots.
They want the pain...
Me… I don’t care enough to bother…
& there is little chance anything I said would make a difference...
Chr1s
16-02-2010, 09:28 PM
lmfao zealots
TheSaint
16-02-2010, 09:29 PM
hrm ... D series has been cheap fun ... but i wouldnt go so far to say im passionate about it like i was about my B series
will13
16-02-2010, 10:10 PM
For me, I just want to know what i can get out of it. I'm not spending loads of money, just a little here and there
and for those that keep coming into the d series thread and telling us to get B's...do you find us telling you to go get K20's instead? It's the same thing.
And if you say "but a b is actually fast"...its all relative. a turbo D can smoke a B. why dont we all go and do F20C / H22 / K20/4 conversions instead?
Rather than spending $3000 straight up for a swap, spending $300 here and there every now and then makes it affordable to do some mods NOW.
I can spend less than what it costs for a swap and be making the same power as a stock b16a2, the only real difference is that i have lower power ceiling than the B.
B series has been done to death in this country. I'd like to do something different. For a while anyway.
It also comes down to what we're trying to achieve, I don't understand why people constantly feel the need to try and talk people out of what they want to do. The ones who go ahead with it obviously have a purpose in mind, and who is anyone to try and make them do otherwise?
So can we get back to discussing D series things rather than B swaps like everywhere else on the forum? Let the thread serve its purpose
NightKids
17-02-2010, 12:36 AM
Mate, I just assumed you were ripped off buying fake parts... (this does happen)
Anyway, to be honest, I didn't look too hard to see if the product had become available...My bad...
Anyway since you made. I did check & it was added in Feb 2008...
There you go... You're right, I'm wrong... (About the flywheel) :thumbsup:
As for your other comments going off the deep end...
Mate, you're taking it way too personally...
Fair enough you want to do your "Research"
But you really aught to listen to the advice you've been given.
Not just but me, but others who build & tune cars.
Unless someone wants to sell you some rubbish for your D,
Everyone in the industry says the same thing. Haven't you noticed that yet?
It's not a fluke.
This should utterly dominate your reasearch....
Myths of grunt master D-series engines online posted by dreamers should not...
In a nut shell, you're considering modifying a D...
This is not a smart thing to do... (or politely, a very bad idea)
The return on investment is appalling...
(particularly since you want value for money)
You don't need to take another step down this path...
You can walk away...
So call me what you want...
But in years to come, you'll look back & know that prick from Toda was right...
D-series :thumbdwn:
Fair enough you have stated your point. I'm flexible with staying with the D or going for a B. The thing is if say it costs $4000 to make the D get 100kw compared to say $5000 for a B engine swap then it's obviously a no-brainer i'll stick with the D.
But if it costs considerably more (which i'm starting to get the feeling it will) then i will get the B Transplant.
Don't forget i might have to factor in a new clutch & flywheel for the B-Series before I chuck it in so that may cost me a bit more too...
Will has a very valid point too, we could be telling the B-lovers to get a K, but we should all respect different engine types. What bisi have done is quite amazing & it has shown that the D-Series can be pretty decent. They have gotten a lot more respect that someone modding a B.
lil_foy
17-02-2010, 06:49 AM
Fair enough you have stated your point. I'm flexible with staying with the D or going for a B. The thing is if say it costs $4000 to make the D get 100kw compared to say $5000 for a B engine swap then it's obviously a no-brainer i'll stick with the D.
There is a difference between power though.
Top-end does not nessecarly win a race, midrange is needed.
Then you have the fact you're using a modified engine and what always comes with modifications? Problems!
Like I said to Bezza, do what you want, but remember, there was a reason they put a b series in the itr, etc.
JasonGilholme
17-02-2010, 08:07 AM
Then you have the fact you're using a modified engine and what always comes with modifications? Problems!
Like I said to Bezza, do what you want, but remember, there was a reason they put a b series in the itr, etc.
you won't get major problems if you do it correctly. Lots of big setups on OH that have been really reliable.
Don't forget theres a reason they put a k series in the DC5R. Its cause B's are shit. lol
A-man
17-02-2010, 09:13 AM
modifying a d series isnt silly at all...
if you look around theres an endless supply of cheap engines. so for anyone on a budget there great. where prices for b series is still a little rich for the poorer like me. but being young and having a mortgage and having a love for cars, are big strains on a build budget (or lack of). so when people mod these engines i understand.
ive just got mine running
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8KMfV7L92E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8KMfV7L92E
bit of a poor vid but least it runs. no cel lights after i played with it. its lightly worked ycp 12:1, 4-1 headers (ord), arp studs in the bottom end and the head, stock cam :(, ive also made the fuel system like a k series (the return is in the boot which means there is only 1 feed line to the engine no return) i have a oil pressure gauge in the return end of the fuel rail so i can adjust fuel pressure with a fpr from in the boot. im building up some itbs at the moment but ill wait to c how it goes for now.
being a little new to racing etc. this car has alot of brake and suspension work, and should b a all round fun car. however when a cheap b series or d series turbo kit comes up ill prob grab it ;)
dougie_504
17-02-2010, 10:37 AM
If you MUST mod your D then please do it for irrational passion and amusement, not for 'power'.
I can spend less than what it costs for a swap and be making the same power as a stock b16a2, the only real difference is that i have lower power ceiling than the B.
I don't want to appear contradictive for the sake of it, but I'm not sure I agree with this. Like you said, it's all 'relative', and it's common knowledge that a DOHC will get much better gains than a SOHC. So ultimately the B16A2 would win out for relative value, since you don't need to mess with it to make 85-90kw like you do a D16Y1, and to give it the same mods as the D would make it a millenium falcon by comparison.
Out of interest though, since I have a D16Y1 and a B16A, how would you plan to make approximately 90kw atw on a SOHC D, assuming that the B16A2 would make approximately that much power in stock form? Full head build + bolt-ons?
The thing is if say it costs $4000 to make the D get 100kw compared to say $5000 for a B engine swap then it's obviously a no-brainer i'll stick with the D.
The problem here is that a D will cost you a few hundred dollars, a value matched by a single after market camshaft which might fetch you all of 2kw atw?
Again I don't want to be forceful - I love the D's, but the 'no-brainer' here would no doubt be to just splash out another $1k and get the B so that you have a stock motor, not tampered with, and with huge potential by comparison (for when you inevitably need more power).
Furthermore, for $5000 you'd probably be looking at a B18C2 conversion which is stock 125kw, has better gear ratios than a D, and more torque to boot. Or you could do a B16A2 with I/H/E.
IMO either of those B options would give a $4k 100kw D series a good run for it's money - the only problem is that by this stage the D-user is running out of options and needs to spend even larger amounts of money to get those pissy gains from serious mods, compared to the B-user who has various/more worthy options due to the stock B performance.
Like I said, only build D's for fun. I've done CAI and header on mine for $370 so far :)
will13
17-02-2010, 01:26 PM
If you MUST mod your D then please do it for irrational passion and amusement, not for 'power'.
Out of interest though, since I have a D16Y1 and a B16A, how would you plan to make approximately 90kw atw on a SOHC D, assuming that the B16A2 would make approximately that much power in stock form? Full head build + bolt-ons?
The problem here is that a D will cost you a few hundred dollars, a value matched by a single after market camshaft which might fetch you all of 2kw atw?
Again I don't want to be forceful - I love the D's, but the 'no-brainer' here would no doubt be to just splash out another $1k and get the B so that you have a stock motor, not tampered with, and with huge potential by comparison (for when you inevitably need more power).
Furthermore, for $5000 you'd probably be looking at a B18C2 conversion which is stock 125kw, has better gear ratios than a D, and more torque to boot. Or you could do a B16A2 with I/H/E.
IMO either of those B options would give a $4k 100kw D series a good run for it's money - the only problem is that by this stage the D-user is running out of options and needs to spend even larger amounts of money to get those pissy gains from serious mods, compared to the B-user who has various/more worthy options due to the stock B performance.
Like I said, only build D's for fun. I've done CAI and header on mine for $370 so far :)
Out of interest though, since I have a D16Y1 and a B16A, how would you plan to make approximately 90kw atw on a SOHC D, assuming that the B16A2 would make approximately that much power in stock form? Full head build + bolt-ons?
When i said this :
I can spend less than what it costs for a swap and be making the same power as a stock b16a2, the only real difference is that i have lower power ceiling than the B.
My point was that whether I spent $3000 on a D, or $3000 on a B16A2 swap, I'd end up with the same power. 100fwkw can be made with a D for that amount of money, both with and without turbo. cheaper if you remove labour costs (for those that can do some of it themselves)
The scarceness of built D's in australia seems to give people the impression that its mightily expensive to build one. It's not. The parts you need just happen to be less common, thus you need to look a bit harder.
You won't get the bang for buck that you would get with a B, but again, for me, its about seeing what I can do with it before moving on.
Furthermore, for $5000 you'd probably be looking at a B18C2 conversion which is stock 125kw, has better gear ratios than a D, and more torque to boot. Or you could do a B16A2 with I/H/E.
One thing that I think most people can relate to, is that $5000 is a lot of money. As stated previously, I'd rather not blow $5000 in one hit and then have nothing left.
If slowly modding a D, bit by bit, makes it affordable for me to build an engine NOW, then I'll do it. I'm sure beeza probably feels the same way - i mean hes building the y7 or a y4 i think? + its auto! All to satisfy the need to know what it can do, how far he can take it while its affordable, rather than having to wait and save up.
Look at it like this, if you want to go with the usual stuff like i/h/e, cam, ecu, tune
Buying an n/a D = $300 for the motor, + $3k tops in mods. Add another $2k if you add turbo
Total cost = $3300-$5300
Buying a b16/18 = $2500 - $4800 for motor, + $4k in mods, if not more.
Total cost = $6500 - $8800
Being affordable at present, and having to save for 6-12 months and living off fck all afterwards just so happens to be a difference that acts as a determining factor for some.
Now...
how would you plan to make approximately 90kw atw on a SOHC D, assuming that the B16A2 would make approximately that much power in stock form? Full head build + bolt-ons?
i/h/e + cam + ecu/tune + high comp pistons.
In total, all that is costing me $2300 (give or take). Surprisingly the majority of it in i/h/e, admittedly im not sure how much will be spent in tuning. As little as possible im hoping.
Keep an eye on my build thread for something more accurate as time goes by
I think JasonGilholme said it earlier, having fun doesnt mean being the fastest...I know im enjoying what I'm doing, and I'm learning alot in the process because it requires a bit more research into how things work, rather just reading through a B swap faq.
Dougie, sorry for replying to your post with a novel lol.
Timmy_B
17-02-2010, 01:35 PM
I think JasonGilholme said it earlier, having fun doesnt mean being the fastest...I know im enjoying what I'm doing, and I'm learning alot in the process because it requires a bit more research into how things work, rather just reading through a B swap faq.
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That so true, as long as your having fun doing it and want to experience the joy of building a motor.
Keep the D thread bout D's
:thumbsup:
Killa From Manila
17-02-2010, 02:08 PM
$10 on a 100kw b series beating a 100kw d series
will13
17-02-2010, 02:13 PM
$10 on it not being about who wins?
Killa From Manila
17-02-2010, 02:21 PM
well then lol at building an na 100kw d series and not being able to beat a 100kw b series. its not all about power what about torque and gearing?
will13
17-02-2010, 02:31 PM
well obviously the b has the best of both worlds there. but AGAIN
its not about the D being able to beat B/K/F/H
its about learning what you can do, how far you can push things. I'm not really sure how many times people need to say it (not having a go at you)
Everyone's seen the B series and what it can do, nor do i care about who wins between a B and a built D. in truth, it would be cool to see, but thats not what im all about when i say im going to build a D.
GSi_PSi
17-02-2010, 02:35 PM
lol. you want a 100kw d series for fun??... in all if your building an engine whats the point of going thru all that hard work and getting shitty results. D series was never intended for performance, so why try make it something its not.? There is no Spoon D series or Mugen D series. IMHO add I/H/E for fun and call it a day.
will13
17-02-2010, 02:43 PM
lol. you want a 100kw d series for fun??... in all if your building an engine whats the point of going thru all that hard work and getting shitty results. D series was never intended for performance, so why try make it something its not.? There is no Spoon D series or Mugen D series. IMHO add I/H/E for fun and call it a day.
you want a 100kw d series for fun??
Yes, i do
D series was never intended for performance, so why try make it something its not.?
the challenge of it, as well as the learning experience. stop hating on people that wanna try something different, theres nothing wrong with it
Seriously, why bring your b series talk into a d series thread
JasonGilholme
17-02-2010, 02:45 PM
stop hating on people that wanna try something different, theres nothing wrong with it
They hate on people that want to be different because they're all sheep. hehe.
ADDITION: At the end of the day, most people will have a B series engine because it is a good platform. I can understand that, but theres no reason for people to be hating on others that want to play with what they've got.
Once again, i ask the same question: "Why don't these people upgrade there B to a K rather then going high comp NA/turbo??"
or are you happy with what you've got already (just like these D series people here??)
GSi_PSi
17-02-2010, 03:04 PM
Fair enough, i wanna see a 100kw D16a non-turbo for less than a b16a swap then ill take back all my comments...
D series owners love talking about how they can build this B series killer and always sitting there defending it. Why not try actually doing it, then you can talk and then defend it with your setup.. Dont try and come up with oh this D16 turbo will easily make that much power... cause this is the all motor section...
Just curious what does a D16a nonvtec make at the wheels?. and what about a D16y8 vtec ?
xtercii
17-02-2010, 03:47 PM
hahah just let them try what they wanna do, it doesn't harm anyone...
but in saying that I remembmer the 1.6 D ranging from 88kw to 92kw, spending 3k and expecting them to match b16a (118kw) is a bit unrealistic. We are talking about nearly 30kw increase, and 10kw per $1k is big number for any 4 bangers. I'd love to see one and proven wrong though...
TheSaint
17-02-2010, 03:56 PM
this is exactly why im building a D at the moment instead of the usual B's that i work on
im studying so i need to just make do with having fun with a smaller engine
once i get back into the work force i will move back up to B or K
but hell as long as im enjoying it i dont care really
For me, I just want to know what i can get out of it. I'm not spending loads of money, just a little here and there
and for those that keep coming into the d series thread and telling us to get B's...do you find us telling you to go get K20's instead? It's the same thing.
And if you say "but a b is actually fast"...its all relative. a turbo D can smoke a B. why dont we all go and do F20C / H22 / K20/4 conversions instead?
Rather than spending $3000 straight up for a swap, spending $300 here and there every now and then makes it affordable to do some mods NOW.
I can spend less than what it costs for a swap and be making the same power as a stock b16a2, the only real difference is that i have lower power ceiling than the B.
B series has been done to death in this country. I'd like to do something different. For a while anyway.
It also comes down to what we're trying to achieve, I don't understand why people constantly feel the need to try and talk people out of what they want to do. The ones who go ahead with it obviously have a purpose in mind, and who is anyone to try and make them do otherwise?
So can we get back to discussing D series things rather than B swaps like everywhere else on the forum? Let the thread serve its purpose
JasonGilholme
17-02-2010, 03:56 PM
anyway, i'm sick of this B series vs D series crap. Its about having fun with what you've got.
Have any of you D guys priced a turbo setup for your car? I really like the EJ8 (??) Sedans and would probably get one for a daily if i needed a new one. If i was going to do anything major to that i would probably go turbo.
will13
17-02-2010, 04:08 PM
Fair enough, i wanna see a 100kw D16a non-turbo for less than a b16a swap then ill take back all my comments...
D series owners love talking about how they can build this B series killer and always sitting there defending it. Why not try actually doing it, then you can talk and then defend it with your setup.. Dont try and come up with oh this D16 turbo will easily make that much power... cause this is the all motor section...
Just curious what does a D16a nonvtec make at the wheels?. and what about a D16y8 vtec ?
not sure about a d16a but il defo be trying to get the d16y1 up around that mark as cheap as possible.
d16a8 and d16y8 both make something like 78fwkw (according to d-series.org) but i think they call the a8 something different over there. I've seen some claims of mid low 90's with i/h/e.
hahah just let them try what they wanna do, it doesn't harm anyone...
but in saying that I remembmer the 1.6 D ranging from 88kw to 92kw, spending 3k and expecting them to match b16a (118kw) is a bit unrealistic. We are talking about nearly 30kw increase, and 10kw per $1k is big number for any 4 bangers. I'd love to see one and proven wrong though...
88 to 96...sorry lol just being pedantic.
will13
17-02-2010, 04:10 PM
anyway, i'm sick of this B series vs D series crap. Its about having fun with what you've got.
Have any of you D guys priced a turbo setup for your car? I really like the EJ8 (??) Sedans and would probably get one for a daily if i needed a new one. If i was going to do anything major to that i would probably go turbo.
I've priced one for a y1 at about $600 US which imo is REALLY cheap. See below
The kit contains:
-FJ R Spec Custom Length D16 I Beam Connecting Rods
-ARP 2000 3/8" Rod Bolts
-ARP Lube
-YCP Vitara pistons (75mm / 75.5mm / 76mm)
-Wrist pins and C clips
-Piston rings (Hastings or NPR)
-OEM Timing Belt
-Japanese Water Pump
-ACL Rod Bearings
-ACL Main Bearings
-ACL or King Thrust washers
-Full engine Gasket & Seals set--> Its all the gaskets and seals you will need for your engine from the oil pan and up to the head.Metal 3 layer Head gasket (approx .030 thickness)
Looks like you'd have to source the snail from elsewhere though
TheSaint
17-02-2010, 05:04 PM
i have considered FI but my little D15b7 has over 300k kms on it now and i think it would involve alot of replacement OEM parts if i did lol
beeza
17-02-2010, 05:05 PM
Yeah forsure haha
dougie_504
17-02-2010, 05:23 PM
Fair enough, i wanna see a 100kw D16a non-turbo for less than a b16a swap then ill take back all my comments...
D series owners love talking about how they can build this B series killer and always sitting there defending it. Why not try actually doing it, then you can talk and then defend it with your setup.. Dont try and come up with oh this D16 turbo will easily make that much power... cause this is the all motor section...
Just curious what does a D16a nonvtec make at the wheels?. and what about a D16y8 vtec ?
The guys on CRXAustralia say a D16A8 makes low-mid 70's in stock form. I think it's about 93.2kw at the engine.
D16Y8 I dunno, but the D16Y1 is around 65-70kw
bennjamin
17-02-2010, 05:47 PM
The guys on CRXAustralia say a D16A8 makes low-mid 70's in stock form. I think it's about 93.2kw at the engine.
D16Y8 I dunno, but the D16Y1 is around 65-70kw
a d16a8/zc makes exactly 96kw @ the flywheel dead stock brand new.
Around 55-60kw ATW. The d16y1 and d16y8 both make 96kw too. Similar kw at the wheels too.
Less since its so old now.
JasonGilholme
17-02-2010, 05:47 PM
I've priced one for a y1 at about $600 US which imo is REALLY cheap. See below
The kit contains:
-FJ R Spec Custom Length D16 I Beam Connecting Rods
-ARP 2000 3/8" Rod Bolts
-ARP Lube
-YCP Vitara pistons (75mm / 75.5mm / 76mm)
-Wrist pins and C clips
-Piston rings (Hastings or NPR)
-OEM Timing Belt
-Japanese Water Pump
-ACL Rod Bearings
-ACL Main Bearings
-ACL or King Thrust washers
-Full engine Gasket & Seals set--> Its all the gaskets and seals you will need for your engine from the oil pan and up to the head.Metal 3 layer Head gasket (approx .030 thickness)
Looks like you'd have to source the snail from elsewhere though
you'll spend a bit more for the turbo gear i'm sure. I haven't looked at prices in a long time.
i have considered FI but my little D15b7 has over 300k kms on it now and i think it would involve alot of replacement OEM parts if i did lol
I think at 300K you'd be needing to replace OEM parts anyway. Turbo or not!
beeza
17-02-2010, 06:03 PM
Here's an old dyno graph.
d16y4 auto,4th gear run.
The only mods then were:
Custom Intake
2" exhaust piping and x-force twin loop,stock cat and resonator
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l287/beeza2/MyFirstDynoRun.jpg
will13
17-02-2010, 06:07 PM
a d16a8/zc makes exactly 96kw @ the flywheel dead stock brand new.
Around 55-60kw ATW. The d16y1 and d16y8 both make 96kw too. Similar kw at the wheels too.
Less since its so old now.
Ben, I think the figure at the wheels is going to be higher than that. 40% loss atw is huge for FWD
I have raced against a SSS pulsar that pulled 93fwkw and he only just gained on me slowly by the time i hit 3rd gear. Probably 1 car length at the most.
All i had at the time was a catback. No headers, no intake, no high flow cat. just catback.
Makes me think that the y1 is putting more to the ground than what people might think? I'm not sure
Fully laden, he's heavier by about 100kg
bennjamin
17-02-2010, 06:10 PM
Ben, I think the figure at the wheels is going to be higher than that. 40% loss atw is huge for FWD
I have raced against a SSS pulsar that pulled 93fwkw and he only just gained on me slowly by the time i hit 3rd gear. Probably 1 car length at the most.
All i had at the time was a catback. No headers, no intake, no high flow cat. just catback.
Makes me think that the y1 is putting more to the ground than what people might think? I'm not sure
Fully laden, he's heavier by about 100kg
Im not doubting the mighty old d16a8. Great old engine , i had one. But it put exactly 58ishkw atw in 2004. Well maintained.
beeza
17-02-2010, 06:10 PM
That WAS at the 1/4 mile right Will? LOL :)
will13
17-02-2010, 06:16 PM
Im not doubting the mighty old d16a8. Great old engine , i had one. But it put exactly 58ishkw atw in 2004. Well maintained.
Interesting. Perhaps mine is just better? lol
I'm going to a dyno day on saturday so if i have time to get a turns I'll be posting dyno sheets
bennjamin
17-02-2010, 06:18 PM
Interesting. Perhaps mine is just better? lol
I'm going to a dyno day on saturday so if i have time to get a turns I'll be posting dyno sheets
perhaps. Or the dyno you tested your car had adjusted its ramp rates etc....giving it an inflated read out figure. No two dynos are exactly the same readout ! My old Si pulled hard for what it was and beat many a SSS back in the day too. But it had a low kw @ the wheel and ultimately would not get any better
will13
17-02-2010, 06:24 PM
That WAS at the 1/4 mile right Will? LOL :)
it was 'A' quarter mile...not so much 'THE' quarter mile lol
beeza
17-02-2010, 06:29 PM
Ahahahahahhahahahaaaa
JasonGilholme
17-02-2010, 07:33 PM
perhaps. Or the dyno you tested your car had adjusted its ramp rates etc....giving it an inflated read out figure. No two dynos are exactly the same readout ! My old Si pulled hard for what it was and beat many a SSS back in the day too. But it had a low kw @ the wheel and ultimately would not get any better
dyno's can read low too. lets not forget that. They're only a tuning tool at best.
The real world results is what counts. 1/4 times and comparisons to other cars in the real world is the best way. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
Rock what ya got :cool:
TheSaint
17-02-2010, 07:57 PM
I think at 300K you'd be needing to replace OEM parts anyway. Turbo or not!
actually it runs really well, i have replaced anything i can think of that is due to fail - all hoses, some cables, some belts, etc
always run on OEM oils and parts
tough little bastard =)
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