Lets Talk d-series

[beeza]

Wrap ya headers Ryan :)

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?133321-Header-Wrap&p=2752209#post2752209

[EK1.6LCIV]

thats a good price for an ej8 in green :)

she killed the clutch at 140k, that seems unlikely, lol

mines made it to 250 odd with my driving lol


mines coming to an end tho in the very near future, bays getting emptied and selling the d16 on lol

[cheapdouchebag]

well the clutch by its detail said 'Some noise comes in clutch (have to replace the clutch)' but still good i suppose.
musta been a crap driver haha

[EK1.6LCIV]

if there's a noise in the clutch I would bet money its the usual ej8 squeaky pedal or a leaking clutch master cylinder (a part that will die soon lol, so find a new clutch master cylinder, slave and a bottle of oem brake fluid and have a ball or pay 70 bux for someone else to as it's a kent to do lol)

the clutches unless dumped on hard at the drags at full tilt are very well bits of kits that never fail

[cheapdouchebag]

how much for the master cylinder and the slave at a honda wrecker? ive got a bottle of brake fluid already hehe :D

EDIT: gave the lady a call, she says the clutch is hard to press, whats the go with a hard clutch?

[EK1.6LCIV]

lol, you dont get clutch master cylinders and slaves from a wrecker, theyre a cheap enough thing to buy new when you get both :) then you know they have new seals and wont just start leaking as a majority of eks at the wreckers are at the age where if theyre not leaking already, they will in the near future, just one of a few parts that werent designed as well as they couldve been.

hard? mmmm hard to tell on that alone, could be alot of things. First just check in the car under the dash attached to the clutch pedal and follow it back to a small rubber piece with a rod sticking out of it, it shouldnt have oil or any kind of residue on it, if it does that may be the only problem :)

[beeza]

b18c ryan?

:)

[EK1.6LCIV]

yep, just doing the research atm on wiring as it's the one area I havent had to ever work in and for someone to do it's not worthwhile lol

[beeza]

Excellent stuff mate,it's what U work for,got for it!

Awesome,stoked for ya!

My final plans are:

I'm getting some 2" mandrel bent piping fitted tuesday,cam installed after that and I got emanage for Andy to tune and I'm done!

[markismaximus]

im on a student budget - i earn about 890 a month (on paper that is, i earn a few hundred more C.o.h)
worked it out with the loan, each month out of the income i recieve ive decucted each months necessities i need to buy

$200 - petrol
$70 - ciggarettes
$60 - parkign tickets for school per month
$70 - phone bill per month



dude, stop smoking to save some extra cash, and you'll live longer lol

[beeza]

Then it will be alcohol lol

[markismaximus]

yeah true...

[beeza]

Yeah.Should try the drug - Happiness,but just be careful,it's addictive ya know!!! :)

[EK1.6LCIV]

70 bux a month on cigs isnt too bad, thats barely half a wk for people I worked with lol

[beeza]

fkn yuk.A guy is smoking a ciggie just outside the shop now and its pouring in here,smells like sh!t,wanna tell him to go away.

Gross.

[EK1.6LCIV]

I rarely see people smoke anymore, glad the ladt guy at work left who did, wreaked of it and was at it all the time lol

best habit not to have

damn oil leaks, keeping it on topic lol

[beeza]

ewwww,he just came and talked to me...ewwwwwwwwwwwww

U could tell he was embarrassed cause I walked away as he asked me a question.

Smells like sh!t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[beeza]

Now the shop stinks.

[ekcoupe]

Now the shop stinks.

ahahaha funny:p

[EK1.6LCIV]

still have small leak, very spewing lol

replaced nearly every conceivable seal on it apart from a small o-ring above the filter, rear main and Im convinced the guy who did the timing job didnt seat the crank seal properly or it could possibly be the oil pump o-ring but I doubt it

I want a roll call of leaks people have had to fix lol

[beeza]

That would be annoying...

But like I said before I've always had a small leak,just small,dont even notice apart from when I get under the car and see a bit of oil.No biggie at all.

It's when U think about it a lot,that it owns U and U will do anything to make that tiny tiny tiny 2 millilitres of oil a year go away AHahhahahaha I crack myself up!!

True but :)

[EK1.6LCIV]

mate I got the shits and removed the fking sump lol

and theres still two small as leaks !??!?!?! which are ethier main seal or crank seal or this odd o-ring above the filter

fk this engine lol

but it's alot worse than it was before, Honda were hell tight on that sump sealing lol, not only did they incorporate a spaghetti gasket but they hardly used any form of sealing on the sides and none on the front and rear lol

[beeza]

Haha,good work!

But ya gotta do it again if ya wanna fix it properly,right?

Sounds like ya psyching up for the b18c bad boy!

Stoked 4 ya!

[ekcoupe]

Haha,good work!

But ya gotta do it again if ya wanna fix it properly,right?

Sounds like ya psyching up for the b18c bad boy!

Stoked 4 ya!

you getting a b18c ryan?

[EK1.6LCIV]

yes as the car isnt needed anymore for work duties as of next month lol

so can go forth at my own pace at home after work, very excited

[ekcoupe]

^^sounds good:thumbsup:

[beeza]

Guess what Tim....


Ya PM box is FULL!

[EK1.6LCIV]

The only things I wish I would've done with the d16y8 would be:

done another quarter mile run with a clutch with exceptional clamping pressure
do a run at QR clubman or proper circuit
do lakeside
do morgan park

[EK1.6LCIV]

^^sounds good:thumbsup:

says it's your bday, happy birthday :)

[ekcoupe]

Guess what Tim....


Ya PM box is FULL!

lol again:p yep fixed

says it's your bday, happy birthday :)

haha cheers Ryan really appreciate that, get my license in a week soo im stoked about that:D

[grifty]

ive got oil seeping out from the cam or crank seal, i bought the new seals all i have to do now is replace em which i dont think is going to happen anytime soon lol

[Gio]

My penis leaks

[cheapdouchebag]

my loan didnt go through for a ej8 =[
ah well
now its time for a fake payslip from the boss i guess haha

i gotta say, as much fun n power n crossover n what not a b16a gives compared to a D, a D engine is cheap as chips, and very good to learn how to drive well in a really spirited manner.

on a side note - doesnt apply to me yet, hows a d-series car cope with dc2 suspension? or is it just better to get cheap coilovers? just curious theres a bit of trade off there in terms of money

[Gio]

ej8 is d series anyway...

[beeza]

Happy B'day Timmy!!!

[ekcoupe]

haha that was like 2 days ago an i think you already said it lol:)

[EK1.6LCIV]

ek9 suspension would fit up easier, but every day coilovers are getting cheaper

[EK1.6LCIV]

I'm going to change the FD in my gbox, raise it to 4.9, replace a few gears, install lsd and look at the condition of the oem syncros

[skiiboy90]

hey guys I have a ek1 cxi with the standard d16y4 in it. The engine is about to die, and im getting a replacement d16y4. Is the head interchangeable with the dohc or sohc vtec head?

The car is boosted btw, and im trying to work out the best / cheapest option for me. Without forging the engine, what PSI and compression can I safely run? Do I have to get a decompression plate etc?

Your help is greatly appreciated,

Skiiboy90.

[EK1.6LCIV]

get a d16y8 complete engine package, be a great based up to 7-9psi (even though I have a bud who runs 15psi in his and has been for the past 3yrs without fault)

prob set you back maximum 900 for a clean motor and parts :)

how far south in Brisbane are you btw?

[skiiboy90]

live at carindale man.

Why go the d16y8 over the y4 or y1? DOHC? would you pick the y1 over the y4...can the y4 handle the boost?

and will i need to change my turbo manifold / mounts etc if i go with the y8? sorry for all the noob questions, im totally fresh to the honda world......

[EK1.6LCIV]

any engine can handle moderate levels of boost (7psi) if it's in good working order (compression is aok, not leaking oil everywhere, etc)

manifold will be fine :)

[skiiboy90]

cool thanks for ur help =]

[Gio]

live at carindale man.

Why go the d16y8 over the y4 or y1? DOHC? would you pick the y1 over the y4...can the y4 handle the boost?

and will i need to change my turbo manifold / mounts etc if i go with the y8? sorry for all the noob questions, im totally fresh to the honda world......

Y8 is vtec Y1 and Y4 isnt, both SOHC, single cam, if ur engine is ****ed try to get the Y8 just as much as the Y4 but u get a small amount more PWRRRRRR

[will13]

Y8 is vtec Y1 and Y4 isnt, both SOHC, single cam, if ur engine is ****ed try to get the Y8 just as much as the Y4 but u get a small amount more PWRRRRRR


Sorry gio you're wrong there

Y8 is vtec
Y1 is vtec

Y8 has slightly better IM, Y1 has slightly bigger combustion chamber (or maybe the other way around) Both are as powerful as each other

Y4 isnt vtec

[skiiboy90]

thanks guys. I have found a clean d16y4 for the right $$$, so i think Ill be going that way. Will post pics / specs up when she is finally running and tuned. all ur help greatly appreciated.

[Gio]

Sorry gio you're wrong there

Y8 is vtec
Y1 is vtec

Y8 has slightly better IM, Y1 has slightly bigger combustion chamber (or maybe the other way around) Both are as powerful as each other

Y4 isnt vtec

Ahhh, i have lost the edge hahaha. Thanks man.

[will13]

All good :) lol

[nvmee]

do u guys think this
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/EG-CIVIC-TURBO-KIT-including-compters-/230481047559?cmd=ViewItem&pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35a9bdb007

kit is worth it?

[nvmee]

just for a daily ride and for some fun

[ekcoupe]

thats pretty cheap for a turbo kit, but have a talk with the seller he probs knows more about it then me;) good luck

btw awesome avatar:p

[EK1.6LCIV]

so many nice turbo kits for the d16y8, full race prob has the best options though

some days I get tempted to part out my spare bseries parts for a decent kit, insurance company already told me Im going to love the new quote for ethier lol

[ekcoupe]

You selling your car Ryan? what happend to your b18 swap?

[Davo "90 civic"]

hey guys, random question. do you know if the fuel pump out of a duel carb D15B4 is mechanical or electric, Cheers.

[will13]

electric i believe, altho happy to be corrected

[grifty]

electric i believe, altho happy to be corrected

all carbys are mechanical

[will13]

hmm. makes sense i guess lol

[Davo "90 civic"]

cheers fellas

[EK1.6LCIV]

You selling your car Ryan? what happend to your b18 swap?

its just up on interest as several cars I like are on the open market, wouldn't mind one of them in my possession

[ekcoupe]

ohhh ok cool good luck:thumbsup:

[beeza]

its just up on interest as several cars I like are on the open market, wouldn't mind one of them in my possession

Read Trav's latest blog Ryan,we all go through it!

Stick with your car mate :)

How's everyone's d's goin' anyways?

My stage 1 cam didn't jack,if anything it's a bit 'stronger after 100k's but I might do a road trip to Melbourne in sept/oct to see AK Andy for a tune.

My mate will be in melbourne then for 10 weeks working,so I can stay there and go see great ocean rd etc with a TUNED car WOOT WOOT.

Been psyching for a road trip for ages now!

How was your road trip before Ryan?

[lsvtec]

hey guys, since ure talking about d series, im just curious how much power(kw atw) have people made out of their d series NA????

[hitoriko]

my d-sries hasnt had much done, mostly cosmetic stuff for my EG However, im getting a cam for a regrnd and im thinking about gettting a VAFC and getting it all tuned im thinking a stage 2 cam from bisi

thoughts?

[lsvtec]

can u buy stroker kits for d series, like 1.6L > 1.8L

[hitoriko]

yeah you can and you can get it too 1.7ltr

[mugen_ctr]

jus curious, but are D-series normally noisy engine? seems i have a little tappin nose here an there, jus wanted to see if it was normal............engine runs fine and still pulls hard in 1st gear, seems these engine run out of puff above 100km/h
Good engine for what it is, but aftermarket support here is aust is so poor.....

[hitoriko]

jus curious, but are D-series normally noisy engine? seems i have a little tappin nose here an there, jus wanted to see if it was normal............engine runs fine and still pulls hard in 1st gear, seems these engine run out of puff above 100km/h
Good engine for what it is, but aftermarket support here is aust is so poor.....

i know what you mean - i have to drive on the freeway to go to work and my nearest freeway you can do 110km so i know what you mean 0 - 100km quite quick but needs more then again its a SOHC so yeah might be time i looked into a turbo setup haha

[grifty]

jus curious, but are D-series normally noisy engine? seems i have a little tappin nose here an there, jus wanted to see if it was normal............engine runs fine and still pulls hard in 1st gear, seems these engine run out of puff above 100km/h
Good engine for what it is, but aftermarket support here is aust is so poor.....

its probably the tappets that need adjusting to get rid of the noise

[ekcoupe]

jus curious, but are D-series normally noisy engine? seems i have a little tappin nose here an there, jus wanted to see if it was normal............engine runs fine and still pulls hard in 1st gear, seems these engine run out of puff above 100km/h
Good engine for what it is, but aftermarket support here is aust is so poor.....

I had the same problem with mine, as grifty already said the tappets need adjusting use this diy - DIY tappet adjustment (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?15443-DIY-tappet-adjustment&highlight=Tappet)

[mugen_ctr]

cheers man, looks like a good weekend job, when i get a free day off, ill try and do it myself, just hope i don't stuff it up :S

[90LAN]

My stage 1 cam didn't jack,if anything it's a bit 'stronger after 100k's but I might do a road trip to Melbourne in sept/oct to see AK Andy for a tune.


brett hahah thats gold

so it didnt what you got told it would do make heaps of power

[GSi_PSi]

how much was the camshaft btw?

[beeza]

I wasn't told that LAN.

10-15% increase = no.

Need tuning.

[90LAN]

10% bisi says,so 7kws on my car.

It`s not so much the power gain,more having a slightly aggressive cam for a bit of fun/change.It`s a cheap option for that.I didn`t want to spend $1200 or so for the stage 2 cam,valvetrain upgrade and tune.

Just trying to have a bit of fun :)

rephase my question brett did bisi says you will get 10% increase ?
so did you think you got even 7kw then ?

maybe when you get a tune

[beeza]

Yeah says 10-15% on the website.That's BS.My engine is as good as you'll find,nothing is letting it down.It's simply BS.

I got No kw increase.

$1000 wasted.Pretty harsh for someone who has little money and faith in a name/product aye?!

My only hope now is to get some power out of it with a tune.

My advice is what I read a few times on d-series.org,forget stage 1 and go for stage 2 + valvetrain upgrade or spend the money on a b.

Hi comp pistons would have been a much better choice.

[EK1.6LCIV]

mmm cam :)

if you were going to change the pistons, I'd be changing getting some darton, eagle arms, vitara low comp pistons and playing with boost with a fullrace kit (not sure how much boost an autobox can hold, does make me wonder as I havent seen a thread on it yet)

seen a nice pink boosted civic in my lost travels through a buds estate yesterday, wow is all, so f-ing clean :)

Im not doing crap all to mine apart from a clutch and a leak fixed then focusing on another vehicle for other goals that aren't in any way closely related to the current trend, lol :D

[beeza]

That's what I thought - Mmmm cam.

BUT I ain't doin' jack more.

I got some coilovers almost paid,then tune with e-manage and I'm done.

My car is going Brilliant!

[Tai]

lol should of jsut invested in a B series.

even withotu cams will make more power than a stock D series with cams and pistons done.

[EK1.6LCIV]

investing would be going a k20a (next generation of junk yard parts), I wouldn't use that word for an engine of equal age as the d16

d16 will always be a good platform for many people as it continues its cult like status, just more spare parts lying around for me anyhow :)

just make it handle better mate :), get some bigger brakes, rotors, engineer it and very nicely setup suspension and some tyres with the most road legal grip possible :)

[Tai]

investing would be going a k20a (next generation of junk yard parts), I wouldn't use that word for an engine of equal age as the d16

d16 will always be a good platform for many people as it continues its cult like status, just more spare parts lying around for me anyhow :)

just make it handle better mate :), get some bigger brakes, rotors, engineer it and very nicely setup suspension and some tyres with the most road legal grip possible :)

Not really, K series would require a tonne of mods and custom bits.

B doesn't and wont cost an arm and a leg.

What cult status is that ? spending same amount as a b series swap to squueze out 1kw max more of power?

Thats not a cult thats just stupid.

[beeza]

lol should of jsut invested in a B series.

even withotu cams will make more power than a stock D series with cams and pistons done.

I'm not after more power but,well,let me rephrase that..I'm not after b series power,my car with a bit more power will be suffice.I love my engine,everything all good,100% and is going Awesome for me,I'm just after a nice little bump in power that I hoped the cam would give but now I'm sure the tune will do that.

I don't regret anything,it's been an Awesome journey and I would still like to port out a stock y4 Intake Manifold but how the hell do ya get a dremel in there,where the end of the runners meets the main cylinder?!?

Anyone want to get their car tuned with AK Andy,if we can get 5 people he'll come up,I'm No 1 :)

[hitoriko]

so is there any gains to be had with a stage 2 cam?

[beeza]

Definately a stage 2.I would upgrade the valvetrain,springs,valves and retainers,bisi now sells this,some dont though and have said it's fine,it's a risk..

Will need tuning too.

[mocchi]

Not really, K series would require a tonne of mods and custom bits.

B doesn't and wont cost an arm and a leg.

What cult status is that ? spending same amount as a b series swap to squueze out 1kw max more of power?

Thats not a cult thats just stupid.

dude, you should get out of this thread if you dont like what D ppl are doing.
i know youre suggesting a good advice by going to B series for better bang per buck but seriously.
isn't it annoying when your mates keep on telling you about shit that you don't want?
"tai, get this 20" rims man, it looks good on your car!"

dont post if you dont like. hey, i think i never posted in this thread lol.

[Tai]

I actually have 20" rims on my car.

[beeza]

Noice :)

[hitoriko]

Definately a stage 2.I would upgrade the valvetrain,springs,valves and retainers,bisi now sells this,some dont though and have said it's fine,it's a risk..

Will need tuning too.

whats the damge on doing all of that i suppose i would get the head recoed then too?

[EK1.6LCIV]

cult status: a following, and as long as bseries are becoming more and more harder to source in good nick anyhow, there'll always be people wanting to boost a d16 for a cheap price and get tonnes of value out of it, I beat the shite out of my car, the b would've succomed by now and f-ed and input bearing by now :) I'm inclided towards engines that do as I say, this has for leading up to 300,000ks, I don't know many b18cr's that have that record... (but I would be interested to hear from people who have high mileage b18cr engines :))

the k is a worthwhile investment if you were inclinded to stay into hondas for the next decade as there's going to be a stack more parts along the way in coming years and they have dropped off in price to do since I've been interested in them as part outs are becoming more and more common like bswaps :)

also "go a bswap, or wouldn't happen if you had a bswap", comments are not at all welcomed in here as this is a place for d-series engines of any generation discussions only :)

[EK1.6LCIV]

Brett, I needa vacation lol

[Alexx]

I beat the shite out of my car, the b would've succomed by now and f-ed and input bearing by now :)

LOL seriously man, where the fk do you get this crap from :thumbdwn:


Live and learn hey beeza. I know you want to stay faithful to the D, but its hard to argue with tried and tested honda tuning methods. IMO if you keep the D, spend the money on the suspension and brake setup instead and at least make it fun to drive. You don't need more power for your application by the sounds of it :thumbsup:

[tekung89]

<3 Lan

[~Sp33~]

the b would've succomed by now and f-ed and input bearing by now :)

facepalm.jpg

[EK1.6LCIV]

I come up with my opinion by uni students selling up often, people with common problems (who cant fking search on this fking forum) and whingers basically

on a daily basis for run of the mill driving there's no looking past a d16 for most people needs lol

spending more is a waste of time Alex...

crap my arse, dollars to donuts I pay less to drive & maintain 1000km+ a wk than others do in a bseries over the same period

they're a workhorse ladies and gentlemen

[EK1.6LCIV]

but in all honesty if you wanted to race, I'd be buying a formula ford or something that's orientated for it (a shite load cheaper too)

a civic at the end of the day is made to go to work, shops, scenic drives, road trips, that's the story really :)

anything else is better spent on other things nowadays (a rather nice place with a view comes to mind :))

O'reillies (spelling) drive bezza :)?

[beeza]

Brett, I needa vacation lol

Same hear mate but my life is like a holiday so it's just that I want one,not need one lol

I start Horticulture @ Kingscliff TAFE next week hehehe STOKED.

Yes Alex but with no regrets what so ever,love my d!! It has been a great journey,if the money didn't thin out at the end there,the b would be in my bay but I've let that go,ages ago,so am much free-er now and with a car I truely love,so stoked! :)

[EK1.6LCIV]

a b wouldve been a waste lol

when you have a functional engine there as is :)

interesting subject for TAFE, very future proof job, few buds here are studying alternative energies again via coresspondance, lol

[beeza]

Exactly aye,I probably would have been buying more problems Agagaghaghghhhhhhh NO!!!

[~Sp33~]

I think the amusing point that was made was that B series engine are less reliable.

[beeza]

hehe

Well the d certainly just keeps on going,that's forsure aye Ryan!!

GO tha d!

[Gio]

Hey beez good work on starting at tafe! I have finished uni now and am now in brisbane.

[90LAN]

d series 6800 red line b series easy 9k all day

hmmm if my car rev to those revs all day i would be using them too

parts are always going to go on cars fact of life

a motor that can rev to 9k will always have more problems with a car that revs alot less

man talking crap about a motor you never had is always funny

lots of talk on this thread not enough truth and exprience

any way keep doing those mods brett

heres something you should of got
maybe make more power than the cams you got

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r187/90LAN/goonies_cc-img600x402-12775168892ks.jpg

[ekcoupe]

I start Horticulture @ Kingscliff TAFE next week hehehe STOKED.

what what???

[MikeyG]

lol lan you hate d sereis so much do you?

[90LAN]

no ive had a few before didnt last long but

if they were such good engines mr honda would of put a sir or type r badge on the car

good for what some people like

but not for what other people who know better

[hitoriko]

d series 6800 red line b series easy 9k all day
hmmm if my car rev to those revs all day i would be using them too
parts are always going to go on cars fact of life
a motor that can rev to 9k will always have more problems with a car that revs alot less
man talking crap about a motor you never had is always funny
lots of talk on this thread not enough truth and exprience
any way keep doing those mods brett


so your agreeing that a Bseries is more likely to have problems?

i've not owned a B series so i can't comment but i've owned a few twin cam engines (nissans and toyotas) and i can say from my experance its all about how the engine is used and looked after. i mean i had my car a full 3 days before the radiator top tank split but thats because the car was driven once a week by someone who didn't do the usual checks (oil water etc..) but since i've had it it runs so much better than the first week i had it.

[90LAN]

when u get one

come back and answer that question you wouldnt understand some thing you have to exprience yourself

in the meanwhile enjoy your d series

[hitoriko]

when u get one

come back and answer that question you wouldnt understand some thing you have to exprience yourself

in the meanwhile enjoy your d series

so rather than explain yourself you'd rather be condescending?
im not going to bicker about D Vs B Vs K Vs LMNOP im just asking in your experance with both B series and D series which gave you more problems and what were they.

Try helping in the thread man - were all here for teh same reasons...

[Tai]

B and D are both good in terms of reliability, depends how u use and look after it.

But usually engines that make more power will wear out quicker than those with lower compression and not having every last kw squeezed out.

Ive seen a few Bs do over 300,000kms and still going strong.

At the end of the day the majority of ppl will wanna thrash a B series more than a D as you least at have decent power in a B

[newpaddy3]

It's all about how you look after your engine, you all are sounding as though you want to compare reliability without servicing the engine.

If you take care of the engine the engine will take care of you. It's as simple as that.

Both D and B series engines are good. You can obtain any amount of horse power from either engine, it's all about the money you have to spare though.

So all you have to do is look as your finances, choose which engine suits your budget, and go from there.

One engine is not better than another engine when they both have different aplications.

[EK1.6LCIV]

you had info on itbs awhile ago Brett, what ever came of that idea?

[beeza]

Ahahhaha LAN,Love ya mate!! :)


Hey beez good work on starting at tafe! I have finished uni now and am now in brisbane.

Oh serious?!? Damn man,I call ya soon :)

[beeza]

you had info on itbs awhile ago Brett, what ever came of that idea?

The ITB's I was looking at were cheap,so it was an idea to do something cheaply,but the design was flawed,not a good design.

Definately gotta tune aswell $$$

Money is better spent on hi comp pistons etc.

Lots of great ITB's d setup's on d-series.org!

[EK1.6LCIV]

any good videos on there?

just get the rebuild kit with the vitara pistons :)

pretty good value :)

[beeza]

^^ If I was still mod'n/spending money on her I would...but I'm on another venture now! Such is my life!

Horticulture/Kingscliff here I come!

I haven't look for any vids but youtube will have them 'd16 with itb's'.

So I'm just getting the BC coils and tuning.

Here are the coils - http://www.bc-racing.com.au/br-series-coilovers.html

[dougie_504]

so rather than explain yourself you'd rather be condescending?
im not going to bicker about D Vs B Vs K Vs LMNOP im just asking in your experance with both B series and D series which gave you more problems and what were they.

Try helping in the thread man - were all here for teh same reasons...


He's saying that he has had more bad experiences with his B's because he doesn't drive them as responsibly as he drives his D's.

Both are reliable when used appropriately. The only thing that makes a B more problematic is the driver.

[90LAN]

i never had any problems with my b's because i know how to look after my engines
and even if i drive them they way they should be driven
they are still better than all the claimed perfect d series motors on here

i got rid of my d series motors because of there inferior design and a-b shopping kart design
and are not designed to do what b series motors do
how do you know if your motor is running perfect if you dont work on your car yourself

love to see a d series rev to 9k all day and see if you get any problems
and what it would cost for it to do 9k revs all day
compared to a b18cr

[~Sp33~]

just get the rebuild kit with the vitara pistons :)

That's one way to reduce your engines power.

[beeza]

'p76' pistons are the go.d-series guys always talk about em'

[mugen_ctr]

isnt using vitara pistons used to lower compression, and useful if ur boosting?

[~Sp33~]

isnt using vitara pistons used to lower compression, and useful if ur boosting?

Yeah.

[EK1.6LCIV]

Boosting is really the only way to build power out of a d16, hence my suggestion of the vitara pistons steve :)

affordable enough to do reliably :)

good clutch kit (exedy cushion button comes to mind)
#1500 kit from rocket or a fullrace kit for all of the needed turbo parts minus cat back system
professional installation for kit (if need be, I'd be more inclined just to have a good electrician finish it off really as most is pretty straight forward)
tune
suspension
decent road worthy rubber

spending money on replacing:
water pump
cam and crank seals
oil pump (replacing it when the sump is off for the bung to be installed would be advised as theyre pretty cheap to get a hold of)
all the belts (ac, ps, etc)
timing belt
tensioner pulley
valve cover gasket
sump gasket
tube of hondabond
rear main seal (as you're getting a new clutch it's easy to replace then)
optional dizzy o-ring if you feel the need as they do fail after a period of time

a heck of alot of fun for a good price, 7psi easy driving conditions :) fun on a good budget, without living on noodles or breaking the bank too hard :)

any more and you'll have to replace the conrods, pistons, etc (well it's advised, seen one qlder using 15psi daily for the past 4yrs without trouble but better to use parts on a application to application basis)

[~Sp33~]

just get the rebuild kit with the vitara pistons :)

Oh i missed the part where you mentioned the turbo.

[cheapdouchebag]

im saying bye bye to my d15b 3-stage vtec right now. it just wont let go.

just over minimum oil , realised i got a leak somewhere when i parked it at my apartments garage in lakes entrance, not major but just small small drops
flogg the crap out of it but i still do warm it up to optimum temp where the needle is about a little under halfway point
etc. etc.

it just wont die lol honda have made their engines like it was going to go to the moon or someshit
only reason im doing this is so i have an excuse for my old man to help me scrap my automatic to get a manual car. thinking of a prelude 3g or even a vti eg (im not a rich fella, actually WAYY behind it i live payday by payday).
just as long as its manual (this auto box is killin me! i really want to use a stick) i have a habit of letting go of the gas at 2.3k rpm and putting it back on so it acts like a manual regardless if its not as fuel efficient or not rofls. im that bad.

got a b16a long blok lying around in my garage but no use for it. ima keep it there in case i wanna use it in the future. but if i end up getting a vti, that b block wont go in, id like to play with a d first

in all respects to this thread n fellow d lovers, i love the d, but it aint really neck to neck against a B series.

BUTTTTT
there has been one whack occasion where ive done a commodore style race against a GSI integra, and i was always ahead of him by at least my front fender since take off. that was the most WTF moment ever. and i had a fat passenger in the front seat too lolol. guess either d-series are actually not THAT bad, or that other guy was just a shit driver, but i heard his car screaming. he shifted pretty well.


well thats some nice d vs b spam in this thread. :D

[mugen_ctr]

hahahaha, commo race... , but aniways, D-series im finding is good, but not upto where id like it to be... spending on it alone isnt justifiable as well, unless boosting, which i prbs do very last.... or drop in b18, depending on the situation im goin for in near future
If they had made the d-series Y1, Y8 in dohc, an not talkin about zc, and with the current Vtec system, it would make for awsum tuning platform.

[~Sp33~]

thinking of a prelude 3g

I really like these, but they're hard to come by in manual. Apparently they're a bit of a weapon in the corners.

[EK1.6LCIV]

quick one gentlemen (also ladies, never know lol :)) the size of a d16y8 clutch for the d16y8 is it 200mm or 212mm

exedy site isn't proving useful lol will pq point anyone who answers :)

[ekcoupe]

quick one gentlemen (also ladies, never know lol :)) the size of a d16y8 clutch for the d16y8 is it 200mm or 212mm

exedy site isn't proving useful lol will pq point anyone who answers :)

212mm

[beeza]

Hi Timmy!

There's plenty of fast d's in the US and Europe,they are out there,built cheaply and fast!!

It's all about the knowledge and we here in AUS simply don't have it but with the net it's a simple as a click away!

http://www.d-series.org/ :)

[EK1.6LCIV]

212mm

you wouldn't be able to elaborate further would you? :)
source of info, etc, even if you ran a tape over the clutch would be nice to know :)
cheers :)

[ekcoupe]

I hardly no much about clutches since ive only owned a auto:p

but i just searched "d16y8 clutch" on google an this came up - http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2387214

EDIT: not sure if this helps ryan? but found another link when searching on d-series.org

click here (http://www.fap99.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1997-HONDA-Civic--Ex--/--L4--1590cc--1.6l--Gas--Fi--x--8--d16y8--x--9-Clutch--Components&yearid=1997%40%401997&makeid=HONDA%40%40HONDA%40%40X&engineid=1168949%40%40CIVIC+EX+%2F+L4%2D1590cc+1%2 E6L+GAS+FI++%28D16Y8%29%40%40CIVIC+EX&catid=Clutch+Components%40%40Clutch+Components&subcatid=Clutch+Kit@@Clutch+Kit&mode=PA)

[EK1.6LCIV]

cheers Tim :) I found that too, shite he can't write comprehendable text lol

dammit, Im not looking forward to removing the box myself to find out the correct size lol

I love that site Brett, some of my fav builds are there :)

[beeza]

So much great info on there,the best for d-series!

[hitoriko]

out of interest all d-series vtec heads and bottoms are interchangeable correct?

[~Sp33~]

As long as they're SOHC.

[hitoriko]

is there any benefit from using a newer head on an older model ?

[~Sp33~]

Depends what head you're talking about.

Generally something newer is going to be in better condition though.

[hitoriko]

well i have a EG5 D16Y1 if i put a newer head on top (besides being newer and of course in better condition) would there be any power gains?
maybe even use a d17 one would that fit?

[newpaddy3]

well i have a EG5 D16Y1 if i put a newer head on top (besides being newer and of course in better condition) would there be any power gains?
maybe even use a d17 one would that fit?

Just noticed in your info to the left what you say your car is, an EG5 is actually an SI model not a VTI

[cheapdouchebag]

I really like these, but they're hard to come by in manual. Apparently they're a bit of a weapon in the corners.

yes, it feels like ur oversteering if youve never experienced 4ws before haha i remember my first drive omg it was so smooth n so much g force when i went right at an intersection at 30km/h, not saying its a gforce magnet just alot for a honda when taking simple corners lol

[Tai]

Just noticed in your info to the left what you say your car is, an EG5 is actually an SI model not a VTI

You sir need to learn more

EG5 = EG hatch Si from 92-93
EG5 = EG hatch Vti from 93-95

[hitoriko]

Just noticed in your info to the left what you say your car is, an EG5 is actually an SI model not a VTI

you cant be serious?

its a 1995 EG5 VTi 5 Speed besides having a SOHC Vtec, A VTi Badge and being registered as such i dont know how much more info i can give you...

Ha thanks TAI in before me

[newpaddy3]

LOL I guess I have learnt something new today then :o

[hitoriko]

LOL I guess I have learnt something new today then :o

sorry paddy i just reread my post - sorry mate it prolly sounds worse than how i ment it its cool i was just j/k i hope you didn't take offence

[newpaddy3]

sorry paddy i just reread my post - sorry mate it prolly sounds worse than how i ment it its cool i was just j/k i hope you didn't take offence

It's all good mate :thumbsup:

[~Sp33~]

well i have a EG5 D16Y1 if i put a newer head on top (besides being newer and of course in better condition) would there be any power gains?
maybe even use a d17 one would that fit?

Have you seen the specs from a d17? I'm pretty sure the bolt pattern is different to your regular D16 block. The internals might be interchangeable, but like i said, have you seen the specs? They're pretty abysmal. Considering you can get more power from what you already have.

I thought the d16y1 was one of the most powerful D's made, if there was one particular SOHC D with a slightly more aggressive camshaft the difference in power would be so negligible you wouldn't be able to notice the difference. Go aftermarket for sure.

[hitoriko]

Have you seen the specs from a d17? I'm pretty sure the bolt pattern is different to your regular D16 block. The internals might be interchangeable, but like i said, have you seen the specs? They're pretty abysmal. Considering you can get more power from what you already have.

I thought the d16y1 was one of the most powerful D's made, if there was one particular SOHC D with a slightly more aggressive camshaft the difference in power would be so negligible you wouldn't be able to notice the difference. Go aftermarket for sure.

i was more thinking the heads as my car is about to hit 230 thou kms im considering a reco of the head with a more aggressive cam and a dyno tune, but i figured if there was a better head to use i would start with that

[~Sp33~]

Neh, just stick with yours, and do a reco.

[mugen_ctr]

Y1 an Y8, in terms of power, only like 3hp difference, its not even noticeable... on different note, my mates eg5 doesnt pull as hard as my y8, guess its prbs due to age an kms, but both are pretty much same on paper, torque and power... im not sure what the difference b/w the two motors, but im assuming its the cylinder head design that makes the differnace....

Ps: i done a 0-100 run best run, 8.5 second :( do want a turbo kit, but no money, or get turbo car, :P

[hitoriko]

thanks guys i was just wondering thats all - plus a turbo setup wouldn't be all that costly would it?

[mugen_ctr]

depends if you cheap out on it, lol, different ways to approach it, A) turbo kit like greddy, peaks etc $8000-6000, B) Build your own kit $6000-$2000 C) ebay kits $1000 and also factor in tuning, add maybe another 1k
Rough estimates btw

[dougie_504]

Turbo is pretty much the only way to make power out of your D. Just have some fun and do cheap I/H/E. Ebay header, custom mild-steel mandrel-bent 2" cat-back with a $50 Super Cheap Auto S/S muffler lol. Best fun you'll get out of your D is coilovers though IMO.

Although recently I was impressed with the performance of my D16Y1 sedan. I dragged my mate who was driving his B16A CRX (which we know is healthy from dyno/compression) and I also had a passenger (he didn't) - he was 1 car length ahead of me by the time we reached 100KM/hour so I'm happy with that TBH. Maybe he was just shifting crap that night I dunno.

[hitoriko]

well im just doing my extractors next maybe a stage 1.5cam and a adj cam gear and thats as far as i'll go if i blow the engine it will be a b conversion so im not fussed the car handles alright i need to get rear swaybar and the braces in and that will surfice

[mugen_ctr]

Me personally, id work on suspensions 1st, improve on your driving skills, be more refined, than focus on engine mods, but i guess everyones different when it comes to modifications...

[VTECnique]

yes deffinatly my next upgrade will be suspension mods. make the car act totally different & whats the point doing these engine mods if you cant drive the car to its full potential because of limited suspension mods....

[cheapdouchebag]

talkin about sussy
i hate the ride of stiff coilovers. anyone feel the same way?
i hate how those handaling bad boys needa be looked after well otherwise they would only last a few years blahs
my personal preferance would be a spring shock combo
maybe some koni spr.t with some eibach springs?

have i gone insane? this is for my next honda that is. my rubbish is auto

[~Sp33~]

There's no reason why a spring/shock combo will ride any better than a set of coilovers. Coilovers should ride better because the spring and shock damper settings are properly mated. My Tiens have 32 damper adjustment settings.

[EK1.6LCIV]

rear sway bar, world of difference :)

[mugen_ctr]

oh dam, theres sum ASR with EK9 combo on sale atm for $400 2nd hand... really wanted to get em... but gotta pay rego an insurance 1st.... ARGHHHH!!!!!..... thats definite on a want list

It pays to to have good coilovers if you enjoy ur roads, lol.... basic coilovers like bc an k-sports will always be harsh ride.... compared to tein or bilstien

Thing is, ppl buy coilovers with very little knowledge on how they work, and to set them up.... i guess its more of a wank factor in todays terms, lower the car an thats it, lol

[beeza]

^^ Forsure,there's coilovers and there's coilovers...I reckon U need the 32 way damper control so they wont be a harsh ride.

When I get my coilovers in I'm gonna corner weight/balance the car.U do this by adjusting the height on scales,1 corner at a time.

[VTECnique]

im looking at the skunk2 sport shocks & the lowering springs. My shocks are a good 10yrs old & never been replaced. Dont really wanna fork out for coilovers so the spring/shock combo is a must for me. Any other opinions for what spring/shock combo around the price of the skunk2s?!?

[hitoriko]

IMO unless your car is doing track duties on a regular basis coilovers are a waste of time.

Better off replacing all your bushings ($400 bushes + labour), front and rear sway bars (im going type R's - about $150 - 200 each)) and a sports shock spring combo (1k for skunk2/tien/kyb) - then you have your extras like subframe braces and etc..

for 2k (avg price for a good set of coilovers) you could do almost all of the above if not more and have a better ride.

Im wanting my car to be streetable and trackable - so i'm looking to get a good set of KYBs and maybe skunk2 or tien springs the best of both worlds

[dougie_504]

I bought those Fulcrum coilovers that were for sale up in NSW. They were $590 delivered and are nice for street use, can take corners nice and quick but also go over speed humps etc.
For handling though I'd be upgrading tyres first, sway bars second, and then I'd consider the shock/spring or coil situation.


Going off that topic: Who has the most powerful (on dyno) N/A D-series?

[hitoriko]

isn't there a dyno thread with that listed?

FOUND LINK (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?91415-Cammed-Motors-Specs-DYNO-Graph-Mandatory)

[~Sp33~]

IMO unless your car is doing track duties on a regular basis coilovers are a waste of time.

Better off replacing all your bushings ($400 bushes + labour), front and rear sway bars (im going type R's - about $150 - 200 each)) and a sports shock spring combo (1k for skunk2/tien/kyb) - then you have your extras like subframe braces and etc..

for 2k (avg price for a good set of coilovers) you could do almost all of the above if not more and have a better ride.

Im wanting my car to be streetable and trackable - so i'm looking to get a good set of KYBs and maybe skunk2 or tien springs the best of both worlds

Because sub-frame braces aren't a waste of time at all.

[hitoriko]

Because sub-frame braces aren't a waste of time at all.

im going to assume you read the entire post.

my point is simple - 2k coilovers, will not yeld the same performance gain IF the rest of teh suspension isn't up to the task to suit. you get more from doing all the other suspension pieces and runing just a spring & shock combo and doing the rest

and if you think different thats fine, but from my experance with my 180sx this is my opinion

[mugen_ctr]

thats it.... dont relie on one componet of the car, u need everything else to work with it to make a whole package
Theres no denying that spring an shock combo is jus as effective as coilovers, but again, personal preference
2k can get you pretty good coilovers right there, lol, most owners, if they had to play with 2k, i think most would go coilovers straight out

[~Sp33~]

my point is simple - 2k coilovers, will not yeld the same performance gain IF the rest of teh suspension isn't up to the task to suit.

Right-o.



Theres no denying...

Right-o.

[hitoriko]

Sp33 - im not going to start an arguement over this because you obviously dont have a clue.


There's no reason why a spring/shock combo will ride any better than a set of coilovers. Coilovers should ride better because the spring and shock damper settings are properly mated. My Tiens have 32 damper adjustment settings.

Going off this statement then if all his bushes in his car are stuffed and cracked, he should spend 2000 buy coilovers and everything will be fine?

Right-O

[newpaddy3]

Guys who cares, stop being keyboard warriors, you both have different oppinions with different experiences.

Don't try and convince anyone over the internet, things can be taken out of context.

Just try to be helpful and leave it at that.

[~Sp33~]

Sp33 - im not going to start an arguement over this because you obviously dont have a clue.



Going off this statement then if all his bushes in his car are stuffed and cracked, he should spend 2000 buy coilovers and everything will be fine?

Right-O

If the bushings are all stuffed and cracked then the car shouldn't legally be on the road.

It's like saying, you're better off putting oil in the engine than spending hundreds of dollars buying an intake and exhaust.

Well duh. Performance modifications =/= keeping your car properly serviced.

[hitoriko]

misinformation is not helpful - which is what im getting at newpaddy. nothing in his posts has been informative at all

And its nothing like saying that
you're better off putting oil in the engine than spending hundreds of dollars buying an intake and exhaust.

Getting a set of coilovers doesn't mean your car will handle better. If anything it will handle and feel worse if all other parts of the suspension system aren't working together. Most people choose coilovers because they can say "i have coilovers"

But the choice is as always up to the individual and lets leave it at that - but i would like to know what you decide and the before/after and thoughts etc...

Hito

[~Sp33~]

misinformation is not helpful

Miss information? I haven't said anything that isn't truth. I even went back and double checked the last few pages. Feel free to point it out so that i can clarify if you have miss interpreted my information.



Getting a set of coilovers doesn't mean your car will handle better. If anything it will handle and feel worse if all other parts of the suspension system aren't working together.

Ha, are you really debating on whether a set of coilovers are going to make your car handle better.


Most people choose coilovers because they can say "i have coilovers"

Funny enough, i think that most people who buy coilovers to say "i have coilovers" are probably the same people who probably can't tell the difference between a spring/shock combo and 2k worth of coilover.

[newpaddy3]

Getting a set of coilovers doesn't mean your car will handle better. If anything it will handle and feel worse if all other parts of the suspension system aren't working together.

I'm going to have to side with Sp33. If you buy coilovers of course your car will perform better. However if you want to increase upon that you can modify with sway bars ect, ect.

[hitoriko]

Ha, are you really debating on whether a set of coilovers are going to make your car handle better..

Yes, there isn't any point spending $2000 on coilovers if the rest of the suspension isn't up to the task, otherwise you way aswell throw a turbo on your engine with no intercooler and standard exhaust because you'll get the same result, thats to say, if all pieces of the system arent working together and setup correctly your not going to reap the full benefit and you'll only make more problems for yourself later.

What your saying is (at least from what you've stated), coilovers = performance. Its not that simple, everything in the suspension plays a part, im not saying that your completely wrong, im just saying that more details are needed about his setup. IE if he has upgraded the bushes, maybe a better set of LCAs, Swaybars etc.. then yes coilovers will be a great idea, provided the prep work is there for them. theres far better ways to improve your setup then just throwing coilovers in.

[dougie_504]

Yes, there isn't any point spending $2000 on coilovers if the rest of the suspension isn't up to the task, otherwise you way aswell throw a turbo on your engine with no intercooler and standard exhaust because you'll get the same result, thats to say, if all pieces of the system arent working together and setup correctly your not going to reap the full benefit and you'll only make more problems for yourself later.

What your saying is (at least from what you've stated), coilovers = performance. Its not that simple, everything in the suspension plays a part, im not saying that your completely wrong, im just saying that more details are needed about his setup. IE if he has upgraded the bushes, maybe a better set of LCAs, Swaybars etc.. then yes coilovers will be a great idea, provided the prep work is there for them. theres far better ways to improve your setup then just throwing coilovers in.


I get what you're saying now I think.

You recommend that he get sway bars/strut braces etc first so maximise the effect of his coilovers because it's cheaper to do them first and they're very important to achieve the best potential from your sussy setup?

[EK1.6LCIV]

replace rear trailing arm bushes, inspect from lca bushes, buy decent coilovers/shock and spring combo, rear sway bar/asr kit, nice wet handling road tyres

best money spent, Id rather my koni yellows to my buds jic's that make your arse leave the seat on the same mountain run... lol

edfc love that system, so bloody easy, definitely add fulcrum to fb or something for more info


102.5hp atw is my top hp reading with my d16y8 (perfect curve, no real room for improvement), keen to see higher in oz?

[Tai]

Anyone know if EK sedan front brakd pads and rotors are the same as EK4?

[hitoriko]

I get what you're saying now I think.

You recommend that he get sway bars/strut braces etc first so maximise the effect of his coilovers because it's cheaper to do them first and they're very important to achieve the best potential from your sussy setup?

yes, exactly my point.

[EK1.6LCIV]

go to super cheap auto and look up the dba catalog :)

[will13]

anyone got a D series gearbox to fit an EG Vti? need one fast

[markismaximus]

anyone got a D series gearbox to fit an EG Vti? need one fast

I have one buts its auto, lol lol

[jdm_b16a]

anyone got a D series gearbox to fit an EG Vti? need one fast

Any D Series will fit but there are two types, both marked S20, the lesser one is marked P20-A000 has 2nd and 3rd geared differently plus a different final drive ratio, plus cast instead of steel bearing in the P20-B000 (which is the VTi box)

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/8812/trannyspecs32vs.jpg

Peter

[na-118]

would the gear ratios for 3rd gear, of the d15 cx box be better then the dx/lx?

[~Sp33~]

Define 'better'.

Are the boxes even any different?

[markismaximus]

would the gear ratios for 3rd gear, of the d15 cx box be better then the dx/lx?

The lower the ratio the longer the gear. So better for driving a long distance in 3rd yes

[will13]

I have one buts its auto, lol lol

damnit lol


Any D Series will fit but there are two types, both marked S20, the lesser one is marked P20-A000 has 2nd and 3rd geared differently plus a different final drive ratio, plus cast instead of steel bearing in the P20-B000 (which is the VTi box)

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/8812/trannyspecs32vs.jpg

Peter

Correction - they all fit except for the Si gearbox

[VTECnique]

i just found out some time last week the d16y4 box is a B000. has exact same gearing as Y8 box but a slightly lower final drive...

[bennjamin]

has anyone with a totally worked d series....na or turbo......run the 1/4 mile yet ? OR any times from wakefield / other tracks ?

need to compared to all other setups lol

[beeza]

There's the POV guy yeah?

And bildi,he was on here a while ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7UxepxTXg

They are the 2 biggest d setups I've seen in AUS!

[Alexx]

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?54955-Sleeper-Civic-Turbo-D-series-The-Final-Chapter

Cant remember if weq ever ran it though, cbf reading through the thread

[Sexc86]

has anyone with a totally worked d series....na or turbo......run the 1/4 mile yet ? OR any times from wakefield / other tracks ?

need to compared to all other setups lol

Dont think so and doubt there will be...

[beeza]

haha yeah

[dougie_504]

I would only do a big D-build if I won tats lotto and had so much money that I couldn't care where it was going...

[sPoOnD_]

What's a d15z2? Single or dual carby? I got one and it's gutless compared to the d15b4 I use to have in another eg.

[VTECnique]

Dont think so and doubt there will be...


I would only do a big D-build if I won tats lotto and had so much money that I couldn't care where it was going...

Guys, you can get forged rods & vitara pistons from the US for under $1k aud. Only one cam to work with, so cam work will cost half the price. IMO the D is a perfect candidate for extracting power, however people get it in their heads that its going to cost through the roof, when in actual fact it aint.

Ive seen worked D16s pump out anywhere around 400-500whp, yeah i know that sounds crazy high for a 1.6l SOHC, but it is doable, & honestly that much power in a front wheel drive is just insane, id be mad happy with 150 - 200kw atws, thats a gearing changing traction breaker!!

[Sexc86]

Guys, you can get forged rods & vitara pistons from the US for under $1k aud. Only one cam to work with, so cam work will cost half the price. IMO the D is a perfect candidate for extracting power, however people get it in their heads that its going to cost through the roof, when in actual fact it aint.

Ive seen worked D16s pump out anywhere around 400-500whp, yeah i know that sounds crazy high for a 1.6l SOHC, but it is doable, & honestly that much power in a front wheel drive is just insane, id be mad happy with 150 - 200kw atws, thats a gearing changing traction breaker!!

Mate completely agree. However, Generally speaking, the culture in australia is to follow proven paths (especially those set by their close peers) rather then try something different. Also one of the major plus sides of a turbo D16 is low budget, and since there arnt many DIY backyard mechanics who can attempt a full blown boosted D16 eg.. pull down a motor, rebuild with new internals, fabricate plumbing, tune Ecu etc.... the only option is to pay a workshop, for most people the price is just too much and brakes the budget. Hence why you dont see many all out turbo D16 builds... and i doubt australia ever will.

Its one thing to budget just buying a part, but once you factor in.. Installation/tuning of the part into an existing setup, that budget easily blows out.

[90LAN]

if its so cheap how come people dont do the pistons etc
so how many people on here have done it
havent seen one person post they have done these cheap mods to d series motors and get good power

and you dont need anything else to make the coilovers do their job
coilovers make the car totally different to any spring/shock set up
you have to get the correct coilover for your needs
spring choice is crucial for what you are going to use the car for

you dont need a bigger sway/bushes etc for the street
waste of money and time imo
occasional track yeah

[Sexc86]

Lan i can't understand your first paragraph. What are you trying to ask / say ?

[90LAN]

Guys, you can get forged rods & vitara pistons from the US for under $1k aud. Only one cam to work with, so cam work will cost half the price. IMO the D is a perfect candidate for extracting power, however people get it in their heads that its going to cost through the roof, when in actual fact it aint.

Ive seen worked D16s pump out anywhere around 400-500whp, yeah i know that sounds crazy high for a 1.6l SOHC, but it is doable, & honestly that much power in a front wheel drive is just insane, id be mad happy with 150 - 200kw atws, thats a gearing changing traction breaker!!

if it is so cheap and makes good power
why arnt people doing this
lots of talk not enough doing in this thread

[mugen_ctr]

No one here has any high hopes of D-series, as pointed out, most ppl are sheeps, and are scared to try new things, which is why the states have much more hope in D-series, and have proven that D can make good power for what it is

I for one would boost my D, had i have the time and budget, but when the money an time comes around, definite yes to turbo D

Most ppl have the idea that B-series is the only way to go modding, but thats load of crap, D-series are good engine, just give it that extra boost, an it be as good as any B

[EK1.6LCIV]

it'll happen one day, enough creative minds out there and people with time on their hands and initive :)

I look forward to the next d16 turbo build in oz :)

[dougie_504]

has anyone with a totally worked d series....na or turbo......run the 1/4 mile yet ? OR any times from wakefield / other tracks ?

need to compared to all other setups lol


Let's not forget Jonny (A.C.S Drag) who ran 11.6 in his built D16A8 CRX which made 245kw ATW.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23nYHxrmpZQ

[90LAN]

No one here has any high hopes of D-series, as pointed out, most ppl are sheeps, and are scared to try new things, which is why the states have much more hope in D-series, and have proven that D can make good power for what it is

I for one would boost my D, had i have the time and budget, but when the money an time comes around, definite yes to turbo D

Most ppl have the idea that B-series is the only way to go modding, but thats load of crap, D-series are good engine, just give it that extra boost, an it be as good as any B

as i said lot of talk not enough doing in this thread
you can talk it can do this do that
but no real world results
so what if they can do it in the states
were talking about aussie cars

someone do a build thread with a d series single came turbo thread from start to finish
and post prices/power figures, and times etc

so then people can see the real cost and actually what can be achieved
not this bullshit of it can do that do this

[90LAN]

jons car imo has a zc motor not a d series as thats its real engine name
twin cam is alot different to a single cam

the zc motor was the basis for the bseries
for people that didnt know

[newpaddy3]

D series engines make 70-120hp yes? 120hp being the vtec models.

B series engines make 150-186hp.

B16 half-cut cost costs about $4K yes?

Lets say you take your D out chuck the B in there then sell off excess parts and make $1K

so a B16 conversion is about $3K if you DIY

Can you make similar power/reliability for the same cost of modding your D?

Maybe a turbo right?

You'll need (rough estimate of parts):

Turbo
manifold
wastegate
BOV
Intercooler piping
Oil feed line
Oil return line
While you're at it may aswell upgrade your exhaust too for all that extra power right?
You will also need oils for the turbo
Then you need to sort out all the electronics, guages, boost controller+solenoid, map sensor
Then you need to do all the wiring and get it tuned OMG so much work.


Would be cool if you can do all that for under $3K right?

I don't want to knock you guys and discourage you, the D series engine is nice for a daily
and stuff, but it was not designed as a high performance engine, and if you want
to make it a high performance engine you're going to need a lot of money.

[mugen_ctr]

We all know D isnt a performance engine.... But its good to know what can be done to make it a better engine

I for one would go for B18c swap, given that its cheaper than B16 swap, but considering that many have gone with that route, might be refreshing change to go boosting that shopping cart engine

4k for halfcut, factor in another 1-1.5k for labor, greddy kit is around 4k, so same price, but power difference 100kw@wheels, vs 130kw@wheels?
Reliability issues? what issues, only issues iev really come across are just tune related, other than that, its just like ur normal typical car, just service it normal, and treat it well, a good tuned car will run for miles before anything goes bang, applies for n/a and turbo

In the end its just a matter of preference

Id be lucky to get 1k if i sell off my D-series stuff...including motor

[~Sp33~]

D to B comparisons are stupid. Lets move on.

[Sexc86]

Honestly i have read the argument time and time again with nothing really new to stimulate me. I still dont see Australia will ever see a Full blown Sohc D16... especially with the stigma that surrounds it.

And yes i agree with Lan. John's Dohc Zc is closer to being a B16a then D16y

[dougie_504]

jons car imo has a zc motor not a d series as thats its real engine name
twin cam is alot different to a single cam

the zc motor was the basis for the bseries
for people that didnt know


Your opinion is wrong. It's a D16A8, and therefore it's a D-series. ZC is a very similar engine anyway, virtually the same but for minor differences.

Furthermore I am responding to Ben who asked if anybody has built a D-series, NA or turbo, and run a 1/4 mile time with it. I'm not talking about SOHC D-series engines. I just showed him an example of a worked D-series as he requested.

[hitoriko]

and the circle continues...

there is almost nothing productive coming of this thread as half the D-series people wont spend the $$ and time to make a monster D and the B-Series and UP engine owners just come in here and harass more than they give useful D-series info

2cents

[tiksie]

I'll be taking my D15B4 Twin Carb out to eastern creek for a 1/4 mile when I do abit more work on it for shits and giggles to see what the D-twin carb gets :D

[mocchi]

I'll be taking my D15B4 Twin Carb out to eastern creek for a 1/4 mile when I do abit more work on it for shits and giggles to see what the D-twin carb gets :D

hahah in for updates tiks!

[90LAN]

the d16a is badged in australia

the correct name for it when that motor was released was a zc

you know it as a d series
i dont class it as a d series imo

stupid honda australia likes re name alot of things heres a example


lets no compare the dseries to other motors

we need ozhonda members to post up mods/cost and figures for members to see what they can do

[~Sp33~]

The SOHC d16 in japan was also stamped as ZC, just to fuel whatever fire is going on.

[dougie_504]

^Interesting point.



the d16a is badged in australia

the correct name for it when that motor was released was a zc

you know it as a d series
i dont class it as a d series imo

stupid honda australia likes re name alot of things heres a example


lets no compare the dseries to other motors

we need ozhonda members to post up mods/cost and figures for members to see what they can do

So in fact the D16A8 and the DOHC ZC are the same, but for the smallest of differences. Either way, the D16A8 is a D-series hence it's stamped with a D - whether it's the basis for the B-series or not.

[GSi_PSi]

True what hitoriko said, this thread is basically people saying how great the D series can be, sitting there defending with what it can be and not with actual evidence basically , the only people that can actually be not biased is someone that has experienced both motors and only person is Lukezen i think.

[Tai]

Ive owned and modded both

D seriously isnt worth spending big $$$ on.

Even Lukezen has said his D was a waste of time haha.

[mugen_ctr]

quick question, where can i tap on the block/head for water an oil lines, as well as return lines?

[90LAN]

yeah spee but also a single cam dseries what was 1.5 made 130hp and came with a optional lsd
which was the d15b

[tiksie]

D series came with optional LSD ? Really ?

Did we get any D15B motors ?

AFAIK, the D15B7 makes 115HP if im not mistaken.

And the D15B4 makes 105HP.

Also what does a EK4 do 1/4 mile, and whats the power figures for the B16A2 ? (at the wheels)

[bennjamin]

Ek4 dead standard prob flat 15. No - don't tell mr
Your friend did a 14.5 with a CAI and no interior lol.

Depending on dyno - about 85kw atw.

The d16a8/zc was hondas finest d series. It was used as a race engine :-)

The b16a , was the next gen of the zc - this is obvious as the d16a8 uses b series driveshafts (midshaft is a tiny bit
Different but still interchangeable) clutch and flywheel is same spline number etc.

Anyway , the second Honda made
The b16a is the second that WE should of all realised that the d series
Is a economy engine.

[beeza]

ive owned and modded both

d seriously isnt worth spending big $$$ on.

Even lukezen has said his d was a waste of time haha.

loool

[~Sp33~]

yeah spee but also a single cam dseries what was 1.5 made 130hp and came with a optional lsd
which was the d15b

There was a few different D series equipped cars that came with optional LSD's.

That 130hp D15 had 3 stage VTEC too.

[mocchi]

There was a few different D series equipped cars that came with optional LSD's.

That 130hp D15 had 3 stage VTEC too.

what? the 3 stage vtec isnt 130hp.

[~Sp33~]

what? the 3 stage vtec isnt 130hp.

Are you talking about an Australian delivered engine? Because I'm not.

[dougie_504]

Are you talking about an Australian delivered engine? Because I'm not.


Isn't this 3-stage VTEC engine only available in some Asian and South American countries and is built for economy and good-emission ratings?

[~Sp33~]

Let me find a link..

Here we go, it's pretty poorly translated, but you get the gist.

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.honda.co.jp%2Ffactbook%2Fau to%2FCIVIC%2F19950904%2Fcv95-011.html&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate


Isn't this 3-stage VTEC engine only available in some Asian and South American countries and is built for economy and good-emission ratings?

Not really sure where it was marketed, but it was an economy and emissions based engine. (I'm no EK specialist :P)

[VTECnique]

quick question, where can i tap on the block/head for water an oil lines, as well as return lines?

I think alot of the D-guys tap into the oil pan, then a t-piece where the oil sensor sits on the back of the block. Im unsure however, on the waterline. Im presuming this is for a turbo, is ur turbo watercooled?1

[mocchi]

Are you talking about an Australian delivered engine? Because I'm not.

what? there are 2 variants in d15b vtec.


3 stage vtec. or fake vtec.
'plain' vtec. 3 rocker on intake side.


3 stage isnt 130 hp.

[newpaddy3]

what? there are 2 variants in d15b vtec.


3 stage vtec. or fake vtec.
'plain' vtec. 3 rocker on intake side.


3 stage isnt 130 hp.

lol learn to read brooooo...

He never said d15B

He just said 3 stage vtec d15.

It's called D15Z7.

Even wikipedia says it. Becaue wikipedia info is always 100% FACT!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_D_engine#D15Z7

[mocchi]

lol learn to read brooooo...

He never said d15B

He just said 3 stage vtec d15.

It's called D15Z7.

Even wikipedia says it. Becaue wikipedia info is always 100% FACT!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_D_engine#D15Z7

what? we were talking about d15b. BRO.

90lan: yeah spee but also a single cam dseries what was 1.5 made 130hp and came with a optional lsd
which was the d15b

sp33: There was a few different D series equipped cars that came with optional LSD's.
That 130hp D15 had 3 stage VTEC too.

mocchi: what? the 3 stage vtec isnt 130hp.

http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/20854/original/Riveting_tale_chap.jpg?1254036152

riveting tale innit? bro.

[newpaddy3]

ohhh... shut up I have a headache lol...

[JamesEK1]

Friend of mine had a EJ8 coupe (D16Y8) with a trust turbo kit (de comp plate, upgraded fuel system running 14psi - pulled 135kw atw).

Drove it many times and thought it was fast as. Definatly for a daily driver lol.

Guess it depends how much money you have and how much power you want (how much do you really need?)

Should really aim for a good balance of handeling, breaking and power. I personally think the 135atw was too much power. Hard a lot of torque too.

[~Sp33~]

what? we were talking about d15b.

I dunno if you're going to try arguing the technicalities, but did you check the link i posted? 3 stage VTEC 1.5L 130PS. If your point is that PS and HP are slight variants of power then i think you're just being petty.

The d15 i was talking about isn't a d15b, but i'm pretty sure that's what Lan meant and i didn't feel the need to have to pick up on it.

[mocchi]

I dunno if you're going to try arguing the technicalities, but did you check the link i posted? 3 stage VTEC 1.5L 130PS. If your point is that PS and HP are slight variants of power then i think you're just being petty.

The d15 i was talking about isn't a d15b, but i'm pretty sure that's what Lan meant and i didn't feel the need to have to pick up on it.

hehe no, i wasnt picking on you, just didnt want ppl to get confused you know. like state regulations, so many ppl answer based on their state, others from other state thinks same regulation applies.
putting older engine in newer chassis doesnt seem like a problem for state of NSW, it is against the regulation for VIC.

sorry if i sounded like i was picking on you bud.

[bennjamin]

Yes and no. Mods just need to do their job. Clean the damned thread and remove all the posts by wankers saying "go B" or "prove your D" or in some seriously lame cases "The D16A8 isn't a D-series IMO" lol

Have you reported all offensive or offtopic posts ?

[pat88c]

Have you reported all offensive or offtopic posts ?

I report a few myself over the last few months
Today i report one then just went complete off topic and though to myself "what a wast of thread"
Every B series love come in to this thread and bully's and harass d series lovers or member and saying go b series

if you wish ben, i would go through the hold thread summit a report or write down the post number
Will take a few hours or go through the thread delete all the harassment post yourself
Or best make a new section for D series for people asking question and help out our d series members, Would be hell alot easy

[bennjamin]

How about we forget what has offended and start from here on in. Ive removed a few spam posts over teh last few pages. I will not remove this thread as its a resource.
There will NOT be a dedicated d series section as there is no need for it. No other engine has a dedicated thread for discussion like this.

Any off topic or otherwise spam posts will be soft deleted and possibly infracted. Keep it on topic guiz.

[tiksie]

Just thought I would put up my post from my thread about carbs in here for the D carbs:

Just thought this information would come in handy to the very very very small minority of people with carby hondas that are actually contemplating on modding it.

I will keep updating this thread when I do more and more research.

Information about K&N filters with your carby setup:
http://asia.vtec.net/beystock/k&n/

Twin Carb Vaccuum connections:
http://media.honda.co.uk/car/owner/media/manuals/ConcertoManual/62sk301/6-4.pdf

Part numbers for carbs:
http://www.webercarburetors.com/ppw/html/aplication_guide/honda.htm

Redline Wber carbs:
http://www.alamomotorsports.com/weber/honda_carb.html

As far as I can tell, the following are compatible with the D twin carb setup coupled with a Rowland M043 Manifold found here (D15B4): http://www.manifolds.co.za/

Weber DCOE 40
Delorrtos 40mm (found in old alfa's)

Downdraft Carburetor Tuning Guide
http://www.dimequarterly.tierranet.com/articles/tech_carb_tuning_guide.html


More information will be added once I do more research.

Keihin Carb information:
http://www.gadgetjq.com/keihin_carb.htm

Part numbers for jets and needles:
http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/hdcvcarbappendix.htm






Suitable pumps:

Walbro bellows pumps are time-tested, reliable units that offer exceptional versatility for carbureted applications. One model fits most domestic cars and trucks. A second number covers most imports.

Walbro bellows pumps provide reliable, positive fuel flow for easier starting and reduced vapor lock problems. They are easy to install, and come complete with installation instructions and mounting hardware.

High performance and adjustable pressure bellows pumps are also included in the Walbro lineup, to satisfy special application needs.

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Part Number Pump Old Part Number MSRP Price
2404 6V Standard pressure
[4-6 psi]
flow graph WEP11
Autopulse 2102
Dupree 802

2401 12V Standard pressure
[4-6 psi]
flow graph WEP12 Autopulse 2101
Dupree 801

2402 12V Low pressure
[2.5-4 psi]
flow graph WEP13 Autopulse 2113
Dupree 803

2402IP 12V Import
[2.5-4 psi]
same pump as 2402, but with mounting kit for most import vehicles
flow graph WEP42 Autopulse 2240
Dupree 840

2403 12V adjustable
[1.75-6 psi]
flow graph WEP38 Autopulse 2138
Dupree 838

You want a average of 3-4 psi for mild setups.

Wouldn't mind these for my D15B4:
http://www.alamomotorsports.com/weber/2xDCOE.jpg

Coupled with a Rowland M043 intake manifold.

I will eat B16's for lunch! And will cost half the price of a conversion..And this coming from a Carby haha.

Just give me some time fellas, I want to preety much have more power than a EK4, since the B16 came stock in them, they're around the 6-8k mark, so I will need to work with my D15B4 twin carb motor, produce better 1/4 mile times then a EK4, better power at the wheels then a EK4, and all of that for half the price of a EK4. Then we can finally close this case.

From different perspectives, its about 3-4k for getting a B16 intalled into a EG, with half of that money, I will try to make the car faster then a B16 EG with a twin carby!

[dougie_504]

Have you reported all offensive or offtopic posts ?

Does an off-topic post need to be reported by a regular member before a mod realises it's off-topic?

I'd be very surprised if all these posts went unnoticed by mods just because they weren't reported - I've seen you yourself posting regularly and my initial involvement in this thread was to respond (appropriately I might add) to one of your questions (see posts #1202 on page 101), which led to more of the usual B-series VS D-series and off-topic bullying crap.

I'm all for discussion but I ended up with some bucket-head telling me he doesn't class a D16A8 as a D-series because it's a ZC in Japan.

Nothing against you Ben, I appreciate your mature input and I don't want you to think I'm singling you out.






Just give me some time fellas, I want to preety much have more power than a EK4, since the B16 came stock in them, they're around the 6-8k mark, so I will need to work with my D15B4 twin carb motor, produce better 1/4 mile times then a EK4, better power at the wheels then a EK4, and all of that for half the price of a EK4. Then we can finally close this case.

From different perspectives, its about 3-4k for getting a B16 intalled into a EG, with half of that money, I will try to make the car faster then a B16 EG with a twin carby!

I like what you're trying to do mate, but how are you going to make that much power? Do you have a build thread?



Back on topic - has anybody in OZ used Vitara pistons in their D-series turbo setup?

[pat88c]

I think few have i know, there one of the guy in crx aus i know of who has gone quite

[tiksie]

Just currently doing more research into what carb setup to go with, what manifold setup to use what exhaust system to use and what cam setup to use.

[~Sp33~]

http://www.alamomotorsports.com/weber/2xDCOE.jpg

I think i'd be concerned about block to firewall clearance with these, might be worth checking out in the early stages of your project.

[tiksie]

I'm preety sure the manifold I'm getting will give me good clearance with the firewall to accomodate for the webbers.

Currently waiting for a reply from the states in regards to what I need in regards to:

chokes
Main jet
Air jet
emulsion
Idle jet fuel size Hole Size
pump jet
needle valves

Will get more measurements for the DCOE 40's and the manifold to measure it on my motor to firewall.

[EK1.6LCIV]

been killing to see itbs on a d16y8 :)

[tiksie]

They're actually webers going onto a D15B4 :)

[90LAN]

dougie 504
because a the zc motor is still a class above the single cam d series motor
if you know your history of honda motors
you would understand

so guess i can talk about zc motors in this thread as technically they are a d series motor to you

[90LAN]

ryan
rob from hi power racing has done the zc itb's set up before talk to ivan he will tell you the details

oops sorry d series for you audm yo guys

[90LAN]

Wouldn't mind these for my D15B4:
http://www.alamomotorsports.com/weber/2xDCOE.jpg

Coupled with a Rowland M043 intake manifold.

I will eat B16's for lunch! And will cost half the price of a conversion..And this coming from a Carby haha.

Just give me some time fellas, I want to preety much have more power than a EK4, since the B16 came stock in them, they're around the 6-8k mark, so I will need to work with my D15B4 twin carb motor, produce better 1/4 mile times then a EK4, better power at the wheels then a EK4, and all of that for half the price of a EK4. Then we can finally close this case.

From different perspectives, its about 3-4k for getting a B16 intalled into a EG, with half of that money, I will try to make the car faster then a B16 EG with a twin carby!

tiksie 3-4 k is definitely over priced
you can get b16 series set ups for 1-2k these days do the install yourself
like you are installing your set up i assume
most b16a egs do 14.5 - 14.8 with i/e
or you can get eg b16a for 5-7 k these days so why waste you money doing a conversion for 3-4k
when most of the work has been done

only replied as you brought up the subject of d versus b

but tiksie it will be great if you do this itb mod to show another option instead of going turbo
cant wait for your results
make sure you post up no's times mate

[tiksie]

Cheers Lan.

Yeah I will be getting it dynoed when I'm done with it all and hitting the strip!

I will be comparing it to the B16A2 EK4 as we never got the EG6 here in Aus (afaik)... Since we are talking about comparing AUDM motors ofcourse :)

Along with having fun with working on the D series, I just want to get better statistics then a B16 (keeping costs in mind, not performance parts).. If it was the latter, then ofcourse the B series has no limits to modification and will run a muck over the D series.

I just want to show people that you can get decent power out of D's aswell..Especially with carbs! With a small budget.

Since it would cost me 2K max for all B16 gear to convert into my EG, I will keep the benchmark at 1.5K for mods.

I won't go turbo with a carby motor, as much as you can, it's too much work needed imo. Keeping it all NA!